Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-10 Thread Andrew Stiller
Crap! I'm screwed! I find Simple so slow and counterintuitive that I can't deal with it at all! All the commands are different, and some that I need a lot aren't there! Well, I feel the same. I've tried simple a few times with no real success. But I can't tell if that's a problem of the

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-10 Thread Christopher Smith
dhbailey wrote: This indeed is very disturbing news -- why a company would take a (until recently) perfectly good working tool in an application, one which many people have grown to depend upon, and which even the company used to tout as the preferred tool for anything other than novice

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-10 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Reading MakeMusic's 2006 Annual report is interesting http://makemusic.com/documents/MakeMusic_2006_AnnualReport.pdf I would say that SmartMusic is indeed, for better or worse, their focus now, even though Finale seems to make them more money. dhbailey wrote: This indeed is very disturbing

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-10 Thread Don Hart
This is, in essence, the same thing Tom Carryth told me after a workshop in Nashville last month. He said speedy's *current functionality would be preserved*, but could wind up in one all-inclusive tool. Or, some of simple's access to articulations, expressions, etc., could be brought into

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-10 Thread dhbailey
Aaron Sherber wrote: At 06:39 AM 8/10/2007, dhbailey wrote: Aaron Sherber wrote: [snip] (I have said for years that the two main things keeping me from exploring Sibelius in depth were the lack of Scroll view and the lack of something like Speedy. Now they've got Scroll view)

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-10 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 06:39 AM 8/10/2007, dhbailey wrote: Aaron Sherber wrote: [snip] (I have said for years that the two main things keeping me from exploring Sibelius in depth were the lack of Scroll view and the lack of something like Speedy. Now they've got Scroll view) Sibelius doesn't have the 3-octave

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-10 Thread dhbailey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] When you try it be on the lookout for a few things; Rests, Tom's demos usually don't include much in the way of rests and they can take an extra keystroke when values change. A quarter rest, eighth rest eighth note, and half rest can take up to seven

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-10 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 9 Aug 2007 at 20:27, Horace Brock wrote: They also said that eventually they plan to make Simple Entry so easy and powerful that they can phase out Speedy altogether. Especially since you can also use a MIDI keyboard in Simple. If they do that there won't be any

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-10 Thread dhbailey
Aaron Sherber wrote: [snip] (I have said for years that the two main things keeping me from exploring Sibelius in depth were the lack of Scroll view and the lack of something like Speedy. Now they've got Scroll view) Sibelius doesn't have the 3-octave keyboard, but they do use the alpha

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-10 Thread David W. Fenton
On 10 Aug 2007 at 6:43, dhbailey wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 9 Aug 2007 at 20:27, Horace Brock wrote: They also said that eventually they plan to make Simple Entry so easy and powerful that they can phase out Speedy altogether. Especially since you can also use a MIDI keyboard

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-10 Thread David W. Fenton
On 9 Aug 2007 at 23:10, Richard Smith wrote: If your really interested in learning to use Simple well, the best way is probably to give yourself a project (something in which you are not pressed for time or working for a client) and just make yourself do it with Simple, no Speedy. Kind of a

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-10 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 02:54 PM 8/10/2007, David W. Fenton wrote: What was the recent version of Finale that made so many vast improvements in Simple? Was it 2004 or 2005? 2004. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-10 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 07:40 AM 8/10/2007 -0400, Aaron Sherber wrote: In Speedy, with my left hand choosing pitches from the letter keys and my right hand choosing durations from the num keypad, I can go like blazes. Anything that makes me move my hands from those positions slows me down. Agreed on keeping

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-10 Thread David W. Fenton
On 10 Aug 2007 at 7:57, dhbailey wrote: ...Which makes it all the more puzzling why MakeMusic would abandon that tool, eventually phasing it out. Er, we don't actually know that they are planning to do this. All we have is one person's report that somebody told him that, i.e., rumor and

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-09 Thread Christopher Smith
On Aug 9, 2007, at 8:27 PM, Horace Brock wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:36:44 -0400, you wrote: Did they then explain why MakeMusic seems to have abandoned Speedy Entry, which I have found can be quite efficient and entirely computer-keyboard-centered if desired, as their suggested method of

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-09 Thread Horace Brock
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:36:44 -0400, you wrote: Horace Brock wrote: Ah, yes. Well, the two Toms were VERY strong on keyboard shortcuts. They said excessive clicking of mouses is just a shortcut to carpal tunnel syndrome. Did they then explain why MakeMusic seems to have abandoned Speedy

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-09 Thread David W. Fenton
On 9 Aug 2007 at 20:27, Horace Brock wrote: They also said that eventually they plan to make Simple Entry so easy and powerful that they can phase out Speedy altogether. Especially since you can also use a MIDI keyboard in Simple. If they do that there won't be any reason to *not* move to

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-09 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 08:27 PM 8/9/2007, Horace Brock wrote: Actually, they did. The keyboard shortcuts in Simple are now so comprehensive, and the new Selection Tool so versatile, that mousing is increasingly less necessary (if that makes any sense). They also said that eventually they plan to make Simple Entry so

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-09 Thread Chuck Israels
On Aug 9, 2007, at 5:50 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Aug 9, 2007, at 8:27 PM, Horace Brock wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:36:44 -0400, you wrote: Did they then explain why MakeMusic seems to have abandoned Speedy Entry, which I have found can be quite efficient and entirely

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-09 Thread VincentL10
In a message dated 8/9/07 9:31:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did they then explain why MakeMusic seems to have abandoned Speedy Entry, which I have found can be quite efficient and entirely computer-keyboard-centered if desired, as their suggested method of entry, in favor of Simple

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-09 Thread Richard Smith
My latest Finale installation is 2005. Compared to my first Finale (v. 2), in which Simple was useless and Speedy was the only way to go, it is vastly improved. Compared to my Sibelius (any version) Fin 05's Simple is still a little clumsy, but then Simple entry really is the Sibelius way to

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-08 Thread Horace Brock
Ah, yes. Well, the two Toms were VERY strong on keyboard shortcuts. They said excessive clicking of mouses is just a shortcut to carpal tunnel syndrome. Horace On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 21:00:36 -0400, you wrote: On Aug 7, 2007, at 8:30 PM, Horace Brock wrote: Well, they DID strongly recommend

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-07 Thread dhbailey
John Howell wrote: At 9:43 PM -0400 8/1/07, Horace Brock wrote: I was privileged this week to participate in what is planned as the first in a series of regional Finale workshops, run by MakeMusic. Topics included: Working with real-time input (Hyperscribe, etc.) Understanding Percussion

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-07 Thread Horace Brock
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 05:03:59 -0400, you wrote: John Howell wrote: At 9:43 PM -0400 8/1/07, Horace Brock wrote: I was privileged this week to participate in what is planned as the first in a series of regional Finale workshops, run by MakeMusic. Topics included: Working with real-time input

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-07 Thread Horace Brock
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:39:55 -0400, you wrote: At 9:43 PM -0400 8/1/07, Horace Brock wrote: I was privileged this week to participate in what is planned as the first in a series of regional Finale workshops, run by MakeMusic. Topics included: Working with real-time input (Hyperscribe, etc.)

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-07 Thread Christopher Smith
On Aug 7, 2007, at 8:30 PM, Horace Brock wrote: Well, they DID strongly recommend the tutorial videos. Yes, the vids rock. Great stuff there. The only thing they don't stress enough in the vids is the keyboard shortcuts, which cuts down on operating time quite a bit for many functions.

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-07 Thread Raymond Horton
Horace Brock wrote: I was privileged this week to participate in what is planned as the first in a series of regional Finale workshops, run by MakeMusic. ... While I can certainly see the value of such an intensive workshop, and applaud MM for getting out among its customers, one

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-07 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Out of curiosity, is it something that MakeMusic video tapes and sells? I know of a couple of people who'd be interested in more tutorials, or more in depth tutorials. Horace Brock wrote: Yes, there was a charge. $125.00, to be exact. Aside from the excellent tutelage, they provided for each

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-06 Thread John Howell
At 9:43 PM -0400 8/1/07, Horace Brock wrote: I was privileged this week to participate in what is planned as the first in a series of regional Finale workshops, run by MakeMusic. Topics included: Working with real-time input (Hyperscribe, etc.) Understanding Percussion Mapping (worth the price

[Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-01 Thread Horace Brock
I was privileged this week to participate in what is planned as the first in a series of regional Finale workshops, run by MakeMusic. Our clinicians were Tom Carruth and Tom Johnson of MakeMusic. Topics included: Working with real-time input (Hyperscribe, etc.) Understanding Percussion Mapping

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-01 Thread Chuck Israels
I know Tom Johnson, and he always does things 3 times too fast for me. Doesn't stop me from finding him to be a good guy, however. Chuck On Aug 1, 2007, at 6:43 PM, Horace Brock wrote: I was privileged this week to participate in what is planned as the first in a series of regional Finale

Re: [Finale] Finale Workshop

2007-08-01 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Ok, were there any Questions that were interesting? Does Finale 2008 save SmartMusic files that smartmusic 10 can read? I mean, Finale 2007 came out in August of last year (I think), and it wasn't until they got around to releasing SmartMusic 10 in April of 2008 that I could ditch Finale