Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-08 Thread Christopher Smith
On 8-Mar-07, at 12:25 PM, John Howell wrote: At 3:48 AM -0500 3/7/07, dhbailey wrote: Brennon Bortz wrote: How would that apply to harmonic structures? Is that seven notes of a melody, seven notes of chordal structures, or what? What about distinctive rhythms? :) Seems like much too gre

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-08 Thread John Howell
At 3:48 AM -0500 3/7/07, dhbailey wrote: Brennon Bortz wrote: How would that apply to harmonic structures? Is that seven notes of a melody, seven notes of chordal structures, or what? What about distinctive rhythms? :) Seems like much too grey an area to even dabble with. Rhythms haven'

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-07 Thread Mark D Lew
On Mar 6, 2007, at 9:43 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: And just about everything in "Yes, We Have No Bananas". :) Hallelujah, bananas! Oh, bring back my 'nanas to me. But that one has the same rhythms. The point of the Rock-Rudolph comparison is that with completely different rhythm, the

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-07 Thread dhbailey
Brennon Bortz wrote: How would that apply to harmonic structures? Is that seven notes of a melody, seven notes of chordal structures, or what? What about distinctive rhythms? :) Seems like much too grey an area to even dabble with. Rhythms haven't been shown to be copyrightable, and supp

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-07 Thread dhbailey
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 09:16 PM 3/6/2007 -0800, Mark D Lew wrote: The same is true of "Rock of Ages" and "Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer". And just about everything in "Yes, We Have No Bananas". :) You have all seen the YouTube video about Pachelbel's Canon, haven't you? The sin

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-06 Thread Brennon Bortz
he Rainbow', but with a different rhythm. Apparently, so he said, you are only allowed seven notes before copyright kicks in. No idea if he is correct. Gary Griffiths -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhbailey Sent: 05 March 2007 20:17 To: f

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-06 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 09:16 PM 3/6/2007 -0800, Mark D Lew wrote: >The same is true of "Rock of Ages" and "Rudolph, the Red-Nosed >Reindeer". And just about everything in "Yes, We Have No Bananas". :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-06 Thread Mark D Lew
On Mar 6, 2007, at 12:53 AM, G GRIFFITHS wrote: If you take the first seven notes of 'Unlimited, my future is...' from 'The Wizard and I', they are in fact the same notes as 'Somewhere Over The Rainbow', but with a different rhythm. The same is true of "Rock of Ages" and "Rudolph, the Red-N

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-06 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
In a message dated 06/03/2007 20:16:12 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "And of course Mahler's famous quote from "The Sound of Music" in the > finale > of his first symphony - "Soh, a needle pulling thread" > And don't forget "White Christmas" in the 9th!" But is it only

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-06 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Mar 6, 2007, at 2:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And of course Mahler's famous quote from "The Sound of Music" in the finale of his first symphony - "Soh, a needle pulling thread" And don't forget "White Christmas" in the 9th! Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusi

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-06 Thread Raymond Horton
iths -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhbailey Sent: 05 March 2007 20:17 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] How much can I quote? Raymond Horton wrote: Thanks, Christopher, for that link, and to everyone else for the excellent an

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-06 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
And of course Mahler's famous quote from "The Sound of Music" in the finale of his first symphony - "Soh, a needle pulling thread" Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listi

RE: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-06 Thread John Howell
At 8:53 AM + 3/6/07, G GRIFFITHS wrote: If you take the first seven notes of 'Unlimited, my future is...' from 'The Wizard and I', they are in fact the same notes as 'Somewhere Over The Rainbow', but with a different rhythm. Apparently, so he said, you are only allowed seven notes before co

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-06 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Mar 6, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: I am reminded of the Bernstein essay where he finds "How Dry I Am" in a dozen or so different works through music history that do not resemble each other in the least. The same can be done with "The Sidewalks of New York"--in the Mozart

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-06 Thread Christopher Smith
On 6-Mar-07, at 3:53 AM, G GRIFFITHS wrote: I heard an interview with Stephen Schwartz on Radio 3's 'Stage and Screen' a few weeks ago, talking about Wicked. If you take the first seven notes of 'Unlimited, my future is...' from 'The Wizard and I', they are in fact the same notes as 'Some

RE: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-06 Thread G GRIFFITHS
0:17 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] How much can I quote? Raymond Horton wrote: > Thanks, Christopher, for that link, and to everyone else for the > excellent and extremely helpful advice I received here on this subject. > > > For example, I wonder if the opening 7-note g

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-05 Thread dhbailey
Raymond Horton wrote: Thanks, Christopher, for that link, and to everyone else for the excellent and extremely helpful advice I received here on this subject. For example, I wonder if the opening 7-note guitar riff from Lennon-McCartney's "Yer' Birthday, " used in a serious, somewhat quodlib

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-05 Thread Raymond Horton
Thanks, Christopher, for that link, and to everyone else for the excellent and extremely helpful advice I received here on this subject. For example, I wonder if the opening 7-note guitar riff from Lennon-McCartney's "Yer' Birthday, " used in a serious, somewhat quodlibet-type composition (no

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-04 Thread John Howell
At 10:11 AM -0500 3/4/07, dhbailey wrote: One thing I find amusing among all these apparently conflicting decisions is that the newer era of intellectual property and copyright law is still a wide-open frontier and all the judges are trying to come up with the definitive ruling, paying less a

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-04 Thread John Howell
At 1:00 AM -0500 3/4/07, Raymond Horton wrote: This sounds to me, already, like a dumb question, but here goes anyway: Is there any guideline established as to how much I can quote of a copyrighted piece of music without getting into trouble? This is not legal advice!!! No, there is nothing

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-04 Thread dhbailey
Christopher Smith wrote: [snip] I confess that I don't understand many of these cases at all. Many of the arguments upheld by the judges are contradictory, to my eye anyway, and it is beyond me how someone could think that a left-hand piano riff in common use for seventy years or more could be

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-04 Thread Christopher Smith
On Mar 4, 2007, at 8:03 AM, dhbailey wrote: The one area which is much more open is the area of satire/parody. I was interested to learn (wish I could remember the learned copyright site I read this on) that this is much more narrowly defined and interpreted than I had thought. I was o

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-04 Thread dhbailey
Raymond Horton wrote: This sounds to me, already, like a dumb question, but here goes anyway: Is there any guideline established as to how much I can quote of a copyrighted piece of music without getting into trouble? I know that there are guidelines for broadcast, but are there any for com

Re: [Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-04 Thread Christopher Smith
On Mar 4, 2007, at 1:00 AM, Raymond Horton wrote: This sounds to me, already, like a dumb question, but here goes anyway: Is there any guideline established as to how much I can quote of a copyrighted piece of music without getting into trouble? I know that there are guidelines for broa

[Finale] How much can I quote?

2007-03-03 Thread Raymond Horton
This sounds to me, already, like a dumb question, but here goes anyway: Is there any guideline established as to how much I can quote of a copyrighted piece of music without getting into trouble? I know that there are guidelines for broadcast, but are there any for compositional plagiarism