Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-08 Thread John Howell
At 7:18 AM -0400 7/8/10, dhbailey wrote: It is to be hoped that inexperienced players are working with teachers who are teaching them how to tune properly and how to make the best use of any tuning device, which would include electronic tuners, and, again one would hope, would teach those ine

Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-08 Thread Lora Crighton
--- On Thu, 7/8/10, dhbailey wrote: > > It is to be hoped that inexperienced players are working > with teachers who are teaching them how to tune properly and > how to make the best use of any tuning device, which would > include electronic tuners, and, again one would hope, would > teach thos

Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-08 Thread dhbailey
John Howell wrote: At 4:19 PM -0400 7/7/10, dhbailey wrote: And that also assumes that the string player wouldn't use an electronic tuner to get the A and then tune by ear from there. I never suggested that they use the tuner for all their strings, just that if everybody were using an elect

Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jul 2010 at 18:31, John Howell wrote: > At 4:19 PM -0400 7/7/10, dhbailey wrote: > > > >And that also assumes that the string player wouldn't use an > >electronic tuner to get the A and then tune by ear from there. I > >never suggested that they use the tuner for all their strings, just > >

Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jul 2010 at 18:30, John Howell wrote: > At 3:57 PM -0400 7/7/10, David W. Fenton wrote: > >On 7 Jul 2010 at 15:07, John Howell wrote: > > > >> And for string players, tuning to a meter means tuning tempered > >> 5ths, not pure 5ths. > > > >Er, doesn't that depend on what temperament you hav

Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-07 Thread dershem
Seriously, though, why doesn't everybody have their instrument already tuned when they unpack it and start warming up? It's not as though perfectly capable automatic tuners are beyond anybody's financial reach these days. My horn was tuned at the factory. I shouldn't have to change it now, righ

Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-07 Thread John Howell
At 4:19 PM -0400 7/7/10, dhbailey wrote: And that also assumes that the string player wouldn't use an electronic tuner to get the A and then tune by ear from there. I never suggested that they use the tuner for all their strings, just that if everybody were using an electronic tuner to get t

Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-07 Thread John Howell
At 3:57 PM -0400 7/7/10, David W. Fenton wrote: On 7 Jul 2010 at 15:07, John Howell wrote: And for string players, tuning to a meter means tuning tempered 5ths, not pure 5ths. Er, doesn't that depend on what temperament you have your electronic tuner set to? Unless things have changed dra

Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-07 Thread John Howell
At 4:06 PM -0400 7/7/10, Christopher Smith wrote: On Wed Jul 7, at WednesdayJul 7 3:27 PM, Ryan wrote: Good thoughts on tuning. I love the contributors to this list. I do want to clarify that I was joking about using the muted trumpet. I was referring to the ubiquitous arranger's technique of c

Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-07 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 7 Jul 2010 at 15:07, John Howell wrote: And for string players, tuning to a meter means tuning tempered 5ths, not pure 5ths. Er, doesn't that depend on what temperament you have your electronic tuner set to? And that also assumes that the string player wouldn't

Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-07 Thread Christopher Smith
On Wed Jul 7, at WednesdayJul 7 3:27 PM, Ryan wrote: Good thoughts on tuning. I love the contributors to this list. I do want to clarify that I was joking about using the muted trumpet. I was referring to the ubiquitous arranger's technique of cueing the oboe part for muted trumpet. Ther

Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-07 Thread arabushka
Well, in my band transcriptions (available from Lauren Keiser Music) I provided a special OBBLIGATO CLARINET to cover the oboe part if necessary--will blend better with other woodwinds than a muted trumpet, I think. ajr Ryan wrote: > Good thoughts on tuning. I love the contributors to t

Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 Jul 2010 at 15:07, John Howell wrote: > And for string players, tuning to a meter means tuning tempered 5ths, > not pure 5ths. Er, doesn't that depend on what temperament you have your electronic tuner set to? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associate

Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-07 Thread Ryan
Good thoughts on tuning. I love the contributors to this list. I do want to clarify that I was joking about using the muted trumpet. I was referring to the ubiquitous arranger's technique of cueing the oboe part for muted trumpet. Besides, I doubt the players will arrive early enough to give the tu

Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-07 Thread arabushka
The IU bands that I played in always tuned to the 1st clarinetist, even when we did have oboes on hand. ajr dhbailey wrote: > Ryan wrote: > > If there's no oboe in the orchestra (pit orchestra), what's the next best > > choice to tune to? Muted trumpet? Ha. In all seriousness; Clarinet?

Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-07 Thread John Howell
At 2:09 PM -0400 7/7/10, dhbailey wrote: Seriously, though, why doesn't everybody have their instrument already tuned when they unpack it and start warming up? It's not as though perfectly capable automatic tuners are beyond anybody's financial reach these days. That's assuming that all th

Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-07 Thread John Howell
At 10:58 AM -0700 7/7/10, Ryan wrote: If there's no oboe in the orchestra (pit orchestra), what's the next best choice to tune to? Muted trumpet? Ha. In all seriousness; Clarinet? Flute? According to the League of American Orchestras, The penetrating tone of the oboe is easy for all players to he

Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-07 Thread Christopher Smith
I concur with David. Clarinet is an excellent choice if the player is good, but keyboard is best if there is one in the orchestra. I use clarinet in my college wind ensemble, unless my oboist is exceptional, because the general level of clarinet tone production and stability is so much bett

Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-07 Thread Ryan
You make good points. After I hit "send" I remembered that we're using a synth in the group to cover the accordion part. I'll tune to that (not the accordion sound though!) On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:09 AM, dhbailey < dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com> wrote: > Ryan wrote: > >> If there's no obo

Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-07 Thread dhbailey
Ryan wrote: If there's no oboe in the orchestra (pit orchestra), what's the next best choice to tune to? Muted trumpet? Ha. In all seriousness; Clarinet? Flute? According to the League of American Orchestras, The penetrating tone of the oboe is easy for all players to hear, and its ability to sus

[Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group

2010-07-07 Thread Ryan
If there's no oboe in the orchestra (pit orchestra), what's the next best choice to tune to? Muted trumpet? Ha. In all seriousness; Clarinet? Flute? According to the League of American Orchestras, The penetrating tone of the oboe is easy for all players to hear, and its ability to sustain pitch is