[Finale] OT: Selling PDFs -- final note

2012-03-30 Thread Paul Hayden
Well, I sold my first PDF today. Being the clever sort, I password-protected the score and two parts using Acrobat. You can probably guess what happened: the buyer could only open the score and not the parts (and he was using the latest version of Adobe Reader). No more passwords, I guess! I

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs -- final note

2012-03-30 Thread David H. Bailey
Weren't the score and the parts the same PDF file? Most of the time when I buy a PDF of music the seller has combined them all into a single PDF file, which may or may not be password protected. But basically we have to trust each other. The thieves will always find a way to steal and the

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs -- final note

2012-03-30 Thread Paul Hayden
On Mar 30, David H Bailey wrote: Weren't the score and the parts the same PDF file? Most of the time when I buy a PDF of music the seller has combined them all into a single PDF file, which may or may not be password protected. I thought I was doing the buyer a favor by having three different

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-29 Thread David H. Bailey
On 3/28/2012 2:48 PM, Ryan wrote: I'm curious about the price difference also. Granted, the expense of paper and ink/toner are not applicable when distributing PDFs, but I would think that the real value is the content, not the physical materials. True, but if the publisher has to spend, for

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-29 Thread David H. Bailey
On 3/28/2012 3:13 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: There is also a print on command function that some sellers use. It does not deliver pdfs but gives the buyer the ability to print one copy on his or her printer. You can see this at places like http://www.musicnotes.com/ [snip] it - if I had

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-29 Thread David H. Bailey
On 3/28/2012 5:02 PM, Mark D Lew wrote: 2. Adam Engst (TidBITS founder) was kind enough to offer some advice: don't bother password protecting your PDFs -- they're easily removed. I'm not sure I agree with that. Although it's true that someone who wants to remove a password can easily do

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-29 Thread Paul Hayden
I guess password-protecting a PDF has pros and cons. The most obvious pro is that it makes it a _bit_ more difficult to pirate the PDF -- someone has to remember where the password is and send it along with the PDF. That's also the con! Two years later the buyer wonders, where's that damned

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-29 Thread Paul Hayden
On Thu, 29 Mar, David H. Bailey wrote: Which means that reasonable pricing and reasonable availability which makes it easy and reasonable for everybody to buy their own copy rather than share copies (such as has been the fallout of the recorded music industry) is the best remedy. Yes, I

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-29 Thread David H. Bailey
On 3/29/2012 1:13 PM, Paul Hayden wrote: I guess password-protecting a PDF has pros and cons. The most obvious pro is that it makes it a _bit_ more difficult to pirate the PDF -- someone has to remember where the password is and send it along with the PDF. That's also the con! Two years later

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-28 Thread David H. Bailey
On 3/27/2012 11:15 PM, Paul Hayden wrote: Apologies if you also subscribe to the SCI list: I've been selling my compositions as paper sheet music for years, but I'm getting more and more requests for PDFs. I feel a little uneasy about this since a PDF (even with a password) can be posted

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-28 Thread John Howell
At 10:15 PM -0500 3/27/12, Paul Hayden wrote: Apologies if you also subscribe to the SCI list: I've been selling my compositions as paper sheet music for years, but I'm getting more and more requests for PDFs. I feel a little uneasy about this since a PDF (even with a password) can be posted

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-28 Thread Christopher Smith
I have been selling my music as PDFs for a while now and was wondering the same things. I recently ordered some music from another composer by means of PDF and email, and noticed that when I got it there was a note at the bottom of each page 1 below the copyright notice: This score and set of

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-28 Thread David H. Bailey
On 3/28/2012 7:49 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: I have been selling my music as PDFs for a while now and was wondering the same things. I recently ordered some music from another composer by means of PDF and email, and noticed that when I got it there was a note at the bottom of each page 1

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-28 Thread Phil Daley
At 3/28/2012 09:26 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: On 3/28/2012 7:49 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: I have been selling my music as PDFs for a while now and was wondering the same things. I recently ordered some music from another composer by means of PDF and email, and noticed that when I got it

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-28 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 3/28/2012 9:26 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: Unless the pirates also have a pirated version of the full Adobe Acrobat and edit the PDF to remove that line. :-) You can put all kinds of protections on a PDF, if you have full Acrobat or something similar. For example, if you're sending out a

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-28 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
I think sometimes that selling PDFs might be trying to monetize the wrong thing. Selling nice printed copies is fine because not everyone can print properly-sized sheets, nor has the ability to bind a score, nor has the desire to put together a set of parts. Also, organizations, schools and

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs (ot)

2012-03-28 Thread timothy . price
On Mar 28, 2012, at 12:03 AM, John Howell wrote: And I do think one has to realize that we ALL have to learn to trust people to do the right thing, Am glad that this observation is voiced by a musician. ( notice: Goldman Sachs, et al ) Perhaps this is the core issue facing a society that

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs (ot)

2012-03-28 Thread Randolph Peters
Hi Timothy, You do know that this list goes beyond US borders, right? Just saying. -Randolph Peters On 2012-03-28, at 8:03 AM, timothy.price wrote: [snip] Our Flag Created in 1789 After the Constitutional Convention of 1787 had produced the Constitution for ratification by the thirteen

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-28 Thread Paul Hayden
Wow -- great replies! Your comments bring up a couple of other issues: 1. I assume that PDFs should be priced lower than paper copies. If they're not, I would think there would be a greater incentive to pirate the PDF rather than just buy your own copy. Does 50% lower sound right? 2. Adam

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-28 Thread Ryan
I'm curious about the price difference also. Granted, the expense of paper and ink/toner are not applicable when distributing PDFs, but I would think that the real value is the content, not the physical materials. On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Paul Hayden phayden...@cox.net wrote: Wow --

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-28 Thread Raymond Horton
There is also a print on command function that some sellers use. It does not deliver pdfs but gives the buyer the ability to print one copy on his or her printer. You can see this at places like http://www.musicnotes.com/ which I have used a few times to get pop songs I needed quickly. It

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-28 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Wed, March 28, 2012 3:13 pm, Raymond Horton wrote: There is also a print on command function that some sellers use. It does not deliver pdfs but gives the buyer the ability to print one copy on his or her printer. You can see this at places like http://www.musicnotes.com/ I've used them.

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-28 Thread Mark D Lew
2. Adam Engst (TidBITS founder) was kind enough to offer some advice: don't bother password protecting your PDFs -- they're easily removed. I'm not sure I agree with that. Although it's true that someone who wants to remove a password can easily do so, it still sets up a situation where it

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-28 Thread David Froom
I've been selling my compositions as paper sheet music for years, but I'm getting more and more requests for PDFs. I feel a little uneasy about this since a PDF (even with a password) can be posted online or emailed to anyone who wants it for free. Any thoughts on this from publishers,

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-28 Thread Christopher Smith
Some others have mentioned a similar philosophy: the notice on the bottom of the file is like a No Trespassing sign; it won't stop a determined thief, but will keep honest people reasonably honest. It also causes an extra step if you intend to pirate them, which may be enough. 50% lower seems

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-28 Thread Raymond Horton
When I try to print to CutePDF or other PDF virtual printers on my Windows PC from these sites I get an error message saying they will not print to pdf. For the one that I mentioned not wanting to print reams of parts that I didn't need, I even renamed a virtual printer for the purpose but the

[Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-27 Thread Paul Hayden
Apologies if you also subscribe to the SCI list: I've been selling my compositions as paper sheet music for years, but I'm getting more and more requests for PDFs. I feel a little uneasy about this since a PDF (even with a password) can be posted online or emailed to anyone who wants it for

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-27 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Paul, I can pretty much guarantee that the income you are losing by not offering digitally downloadable scores and parts far exceeds any potential loss you might incur due to digital piracy. Paper copies of parts and scores can, of course, be scanned and then posted online or emailed to

Re: [Finale] OT: Selling PDFs

2012-03-27 Thread Mark D Lew
On Mar 27, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Paul Hayden wrote: Apologies if you also subscribe to the SCI list: I've been selling my compositions as paper sheet music for years, but I'm getting more and more requests for PDFs. I feel a little uneasy about this since a PDF (even with a password) can be

Re: [Finale] OT Selling PDFs

2010-02-06 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Am 05.02.10 14:12, schrieb Richard Huggins: I'd love to see the URL for your storefront there. http://stores.lulu.com/musikmanufaktur Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] OT Selling PDFs

2010-02-05 Thread Richard Huggins
On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:39 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: www.lulu.com Of all the print on demand publishers I tried they are the only one who will sell pdfs directly. I have some music there, too, and actually sold some, too. Not much though, but one of the items I have seems to be selling

[Finale] OT Selling PDFs

2010-02-04 Thread Richard Huggins
I've engraved a collection of piano compositions for a lady and she's asked me about selling PDFs of them on the 'Net. I'm looking for suggested sites to do this. I'm aware of Kagi as a possibility; are there others? Richard ___ Finale mailing

Re: [Finale] OT Selling PDFs

2010-02-04 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Who is the music by? On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Richard Huggins huggin...@yahoo.com wrote: I've engraved a collection of piano compositions for a lady and she's asked me about selling PDFs of them on the 'Net. I'm looking for suggested sites to do this. I'm aware of Kagi as a

Re: [Finale] OT Selling PDFs

2010-02-04 Thread Richard Huggins
On Feb 4, 2010, at 5:51 PM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Who is the music by? They are original compositions by Dr. Warren M. Angell, Dean Emeritus (deceased), Warren M. Angell College of Fine Arts, Oklahoma Baptist University --Richard ___ Finale

Re: [Finale] OT Selling PDFs

2010-02-04 Thread Johannes Gebauer
www.lulu.com Of all the print on demand publishers I tried they are the only one who will sell pdfs directly. I have some music there, too, and actually sold some, too. Not much though, but one of the items I have seems to be selling a PDF copy from time to time. Johannes