Mark,
I can see what you want, and both is no better in Sibelius. In fact I am
personally not bothered by your first type, but the second type has
caused me headaches, too.
On the other hand Finale's engraver slurs have been the cause for many
problems in the past. Only yesterday I had to re
On Nov 1, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
The problem with Finale's engraver slurs is that
a) they are very unreliable, sometimes they do things unexpectedly,
often only in the final printout, and this has caused me hours of
work in the past
b) they only avoid collisions with cert
On 01.11.2009 Mark D Lew wrote:
I'm intrigued by Johannes recent hint that slurs have improved in Sibelius 6.1.
Have they solved the problem of long slurs, or are they merely catching up to
Finale in this regard?
Yes, Sibelius is catching up in terms of shapes. However, magnetic slurs
do w
On Oct 30, 2009, at 6:10 AM, J D Thomas wrote:
True. Slurs in Sibelius 5 and earlier were extremely kludgy and
most unforgiving. Not to mention downright ugly. Cross-staff
slurs were particularly frustrating and for the most part,
impossible to use.
Whenever I read of slurs as being on
The images seem to be gone, did you take them down already? I was going
to have a quick look at it.
Johannes
On 30.10.2009 James Gilbert wrote:
That's what I did in my original test, so to be authentic to it, that's what
I put up.
>
___
Finale
That's what I did in my original test, so to be authentic to it, that's what
I put up.
> It's worthless to try to compare those because you posted as TIF
> instead of as PDF, which means that one has to open them in a
> graphics program and resize.
>
100% agree with Michael here. I've just converted 2 large files with
finale 2010, dolet 5 and sib 6.1 and the results are very good. It's
surprising how much is transferred. There will be editing required
but it is well worth the money. Bravo michael!
For my 2c Sibelius 6.1 is very good. O
dhbailey wrote:
John Howell wrote:
At 9:06 AM -0200 10/30/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote:
At 19:59 -0400 29/10/09, John Howell wrote:
>At 7:45 PM -0200 10/29/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote:
>Up or down arrows, with one's hand already over the number keypad.
Perhaps not as fast, but not too slow.
It's called "flexi-time" as posted earlier..
Bob
On Oct 30, 2009, at 2:43 PM, dhbailey wrote:
John Howell wrote:
At 9:06 AM -0200 10/30/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote:
At 19:59 -0400 29/10/09, John Howell wrote:
>At 7:45 PM -0200 10/29/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote:
>Up or down arrows, with on
On 30 Oct 2009 at 14:22, James Gilbert wrote:
> I exported both versions to a TIFF file at 300dpi. The Finale file size is
> huge compared to the Sibelius version. Those can be found at:
>
> www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/test/Sibelius.tif and
> www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/test/Finale.tif
It's worthles
John Howell wrote:
At 9:06 AM -0200 10/30/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote:
At 19:59 -0400 29/10/09, John Howell wrote:
>At 7:45 PM -0200 10/29/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote:
>Up or down arrows, with one's hand already over the number keypad.
Perhaps not as fast, but not too slow. Correcting wron
> Dc wrote:
> Would you care to share this? I'd be interested in seeing both
> versions.
>
> And thanks for all the other comments.
>
> Dennis
I found the original Finale version, but not the Sibelius version. I think I
used it to help generate my own house style that was a much like my Finale
h
I'm afraid I don't know what Hyperscribe is, and it isn't in the
Sib6 Reference Manual under either spelling.
John
In Sibelius ,its called Flexi-time™
Flexi-time is Sibelius’s unique intelligent real-time MIDI input
system.
Bob
On Oct 30, 2009, at 12:15 PM, John Howell wrote:
At 9:
At 12:15 -0400 30/10/09, John Howell wrote:
>At 9:06 AM -0200 10/30/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote:
>>At 19:59 -0400 29/10/09, John Howell wrote:
>> >At 7:45 PM -0200 10/29/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote:
>> >Up or down arrows, with one's hand already over the number keypad. Perhaps
>> >not as fast
At 9:06 AM -0200 10/30/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote:
At 19:59 -0400 29/10/09, John Howell wrote:
>At 7:45 PM -0200 10/29/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote:
>Up or down arrows, with one's hand already over the number keypad.
Perhaps not as fast, but not too slow. Correcting wrong accidentals
might
At 9:38 AM +0100 10/30/09, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Also, can someone tell me whether it is possible to operate Sibelius
on a laptop with no number keypad without losing too much usability?
The keypad idea is good, but not if you are sitting in a train or
plane. My Macbook does not have a keypad
dc wrote:
> The conversion of Finale files into Sibelius is Very Bad,
> pace Dolet, XML and whatnot.
This is another area - as is slurs - that is much improved in Sibelius
6.1 compared to the versions you are familiar with. The same is true
for conversions back the other way from Sibelius to Fin
As a Finale user since v1.0, 1988, and a Sibelius convert now for 2
years, please allow me to voice my views on these issues (Finale 2007
is my latest version here):
On Oct 30, 2009, at 4:52 AM, dc wrote:
Johannes Gebauer écrit:
I haven't really looked at Sibelius yet, but the first thing I
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 30.10.2009 dhbailey wrote:
All the keystrokes for anything in Sibelius can be reprogrammed to
other key combinations -- there's a dialog for doing that in the
Preferences settings. I know of users on the Sibelius list who have
reprogrammed all their numpad things to
> Johannes Gebauer écrit:
> >I haven't really looked at Sibelius yet, but the first thing I am
> going to
> >do with it is to try and tweak the output to my liking. This is very
> >flexible in Finale, we shall see what Sibelius can do. The following
> items
> >need to be investigated:
> >
> >-Font
There is a laptop configuration available out of the box. And if you don't
like it, you can make any personal changes you like.
Slurs and ties came in for lots of work in Sibelius 6 and are now greatly
improved. Beams, slurs, ties and many other things can be changed globally
via t
At 19:59 -0400 29/10/09, John Howell wrote:
>At 7:45 PM -0200 10/29/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote:
>>
>>To me it is inconvenient because when I use Speed Entry with an external
>>keyboard, I keep my eyes on the screen and don't look at the keyboard. If I
>>hit a wrong note when entering music, my e
On 30.10.2009 dhbailey wrote:
All the keystrokes for anything in Sibelius can be reprogrammed to other key
combinations -- there's a dialog for doing that in the Preferences settings. I
know of users on the Sibelius list who have reprogrammed all their numpad
things to other keystroke combina
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Also, can someone tell me whether it is possible to operate Sibelius on
a laptop with no number keypad without losing too much usability? The
keypad idea is good, but not if you are sitting in a train or plane. My
Macbook does not have a keypad function anymore (the old
I use Quickeys and the regular Sibelius keymapping ability to remap
the numeric keypad to the regular numbers as well as a few other
characters like [ ] and \ with no problem. Ties I moved over to the
` key.
To be honest, I'm not sure you'd actually need Quickeys to do it, you
can proba
Also, can someone tell me whether it is possible to operate Sibelius on
a laptop with no number keypad without losing too much usability? The
keypad idea is good, but not if you are sitting in a train or plane. My
Macbook does not have a keypad function anymore (the old iBook had that).
Johann
On 29.10.2009 dhbailey wrote:
Not only is Sibelius' approach much more logical for many novice notation
software users, the output is much more elegant than Finale's if one uses the
default files of both with no changes.
Well, that's one I have to disagree with. Many years ago Finale output
> > I'm not a keyboardist, so I've never attempted
> > real-time keyboard note entry.
>
> Well, I *am* one, and after a couple of tries at it, concluded it was
> waste of time as it could just never be accurate enough to not cause
> more trouble than it was worth.
I say whatever is fastest and ac
On 29 Oct 2009 at 19:59, John Howell wrote:
> I'm not a keyboardist, so I've never attempted
> real-time keyboard note entry.
Well, I *am* one, and after a couple of tries at it, concluded it was
waste of time as it could just never be accurate enough to not cause
more trouble than it was wort
At 7:45 PM -0200 10/29/09, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote:
To me it is inconvenient because when I use Speed Entry with an
external keyboard, I keep my eyes on the screen and don't look at
the keyboard. If I hit a wrong note when entering music, my ears
warn me, so I can play the right note before i
At 18:36 -0400 29/10/09, dhbailey wrote:
>Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote:
>>At 16:49 -0400 29/10/09, dhbailey wrote:
>>>As a long-time Speedy Entry user in Finale, I have to say that it didn't
>>>take me too long to get comfortable with Sibelius' Rhythm First, Pitch
>>>Second entry mode. It's not all t
Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote:
At 16:49 -0400 29/10/09, dhbailey wrote:
As a long-time Speedy Entry user in Finale, I have to say that it didn't take
me too long to get comfortable with Sibelius' Rhythm First, Pitch Second entry
mode. It's not all that difficult, and if you wish to change the rhyth
At 16:49 -0400 29/10/09, dhbailey wrote:
>>
>
>As a long-time Speedy Entry user in Finale, I have to say that it didn't take
>me too long to get comfortable with Sibelius' Rhythm First, Pitch Second entry
>mode. It's not all that difficult, and if you wish to change the rhythm after
>having inp
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:49 PM, dhbailey
wrote:
> And on the Sibelius list there is no discussion at all of "Finale can do
> xyz, why can't Sibelius do it?" and no discussion of "Finale did abc in its
> last upgrade, I wonder when Sibelius will do it?" The discussions on the
> Sibelius list are
At 4:14 PM -0400 10/29/09, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 29 Oct 2009 at 15:43, John Howell wrote:
And all previous versions
back to Sib2 can be opened in any more recent version, and re-saved
in that version for sharing files. The so-called insurmountable
difficulties in implementing this don'
On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:34 PM, dhbailey wrote:
Chuck Israels wrote:
Dear David,
I agree, but then it only takes using the "escape" key to get you
back to the selection tool, and I'm not sure how this function
would work otherwise. If there's a better way, maybe we could
propose it.
A
On 29 Oct 2009 at 15:43, John Howell wrote:
> And all previous versions
> back to Sib2 can be opened in any more recent version, and re-saved
> in that version for sharing files. The so-called insurmountable
> difficulties in implementing this don't seem to have bothered the Sib
> developers.
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
[snip]> You know, it is really funny how people conceive the
world from their
perspective.
Sibelius introduced linked parts quite a while before Finale did. When
this happened there was an outcry on this list that Finale needed to
have it, too. So eventually MakeMusic
Chuck Israels wrote:
On Oct 29, 2009, at 3:46 AM, dhbailey wrote:
Chuck Israels wrote:
It selects almost anything on the page and allows superficial edits
(like moving expressions and articulations) and then expands into the
particular tool you need to do more exacting edits. This is more
d
At 1:36 PM -0400 10/29/09, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
Slightly off this topic, does Sibelius have anything comparable to
Finale's managed parts? That feature of Finale is unbelievably
powerful. It elegantly solves one of the biggest time wasters:
managing separate files for extracted parts. This
On 29.10.2009 Craig Parmerlee wrote:
Slightly off this topic, does Sibelius have anything comparable to Finale's
managed parts? That feature of Finale is unbelievably powerful. It elegantly
solves one of the biggest time wasters: managing separate files for extracted
parts. This relates to
Actually, Sibelius put it a great Parts thing before Finale had it.
And it does save a TON of time (on either program).
And Sibelius has a scroll view, called Panorama view or something.
Now if Sibelius had a speedy entry feature (where you can do all the
pitches first and then the duration), and
Slightly off this topic, does Sibelius have anything comparable to
Finale's managed parts? That feature of Finale is unbelievably
powerful. It elegantly solves one of the biggest time wasters: managing
separate files for extracted parts. This relates to the selection tool
because you can use
Totally agree with this. It is a pain. I wish they would have it so if
you clicked somewhere off the page area it would default back to the
selector.
--- send out and aboot on my iPhone ---
On Oct 29, 2009, at 3:46 AM, dhbailey > wrote:
Chuck Israels wrote:
It selects almost anything on
On Oct 29, 2009, at 3:46 AM, dhbailey wrote:
Chuck Israels wrote:
It selects almost anything on the page and allows superficial edits
(like moving expressions and articulations) and then expands into
the particular tool you need to do more exacting edits. This is
more difficult to describ
I just keep my finger on the escape key - the most used key in finale
for me anyway. Personally I would find it problematic if it changed
back to the selection tool because how does the appl know if you've
finished doing what you're doing?
Matthew
Sent from my iPhone
On 29/10/2009, at 9:46
Chuck Israels wrote:
It selects almost anything on the page and allows superficial edits
(like moving expressions and articulations) and then expands into the
particular tool you need to do more exacting edits. This is more
difficult to describe than to experience. It is a forward step. I bet
It selects almost anything on the page and allows superficial edits
(like moving expressions and articulations) and then expands into the
particular tool you need to do more exacting edits. This is more
difficult to describe than to experience. It is a forward step. I bet
there are videos i
Thanks Matthew
How is the selection tool better in the latest versions of Finale, please?
David McKay
2009/10/28 Matthew Hindson
> David, I have both of them, Finale 2010 and Sibelius 6.1.
>
> I in fact started using Sibelius 6.1 today and it feels a lot better than
> previous versions, somehow,
David, I have both of them, Finale 2010 and Sibelius 6.1.
I in fact started using Sibelius 6.1 today and it feels a lot better than
previous versions, somehow, if also a bit slower. The collision avoidance
thing is great on some levels.
If you have time to relearn everything and are feeling brav
At 2:59 PM +1100 10/28/09, David McKay wrote:
Is Sib 10
or whatever it is called also full of bugs?
It's Sibelius 6, now up to 6.1 I believe, and no it isn't full of
bugs. And it won't be upgraded until they have some real
improvements to offer.
Like any software, you might agree or disag
David McKay wrote:
My wife and I are using Finale 2004b. One issue I have is that when I
ask it to print 2 copies on my Samsung laser printer SCX 4521f, it
prints 4 or 6 copies each time. Printer doesn't misbehave with other
software.
Don't know if anyone has an answer for that one.
I Use FinW
Not sure if you can blame finale or your computer. You should make
sure all the drivers for your printer are up to date.
Is this a windows or a mac computer?
You might also have your finale pages set too large for the printer.
Perhaps your template as well?
There are a lot of things to ste
My wife and I are using Finale 2004b. One issue I have is that when I ask it
to print 2 copies on my Samsung laser printer SCX 4521f, it prints 4 or 6
copies each time. Printer doesn't misbehave with other software.
Don't know if anyone has an answer for that one.
But reading the comments about F
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