Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-19 Thread John Howell
At 8:25 PM -0500 2/18/11, David W. Fenton wrote: For the keyboard continuo player, this wasn't possible, so she has to turn pages in the middle of the action, but keyboardists are used to this (and I tried to put these in places where there was not enough action going on that it was a problem).

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-19 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
John Howell wrote: When I look at actual published piano music, I am appalled at how widely it is spaced and at how much space and how many pages it takes up. I suspect this is an issue with the printing choices, especially today. I've don't remember ever having seen a volume of piano music

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-19 Thread Blake Richardson
On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:01 AM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: From: John Howell john.how...@vt.edu Date: February 19, 2011 9:23:50 AM PST To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu At 8:25 PM -0500 2/18/11, David W. Fenton wrote

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-19 Thread Steve Parker
Hence the paradoxical 'This page has been intentionally left blank' ;-) Steve P. On 19 Feb 2011, at 17:47, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: My guess as to the reason for this is that the publishers have learned that customers complain less about empty space (especially when the empty space is one

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-19 Thread John Howell
At 10:23 AM -0800 2/19/11, Blake Richardson wrote: However, during the show, I noticed that the musicians were doing an awful lot of page turning, and during the intermission, I walked down to the edge of the stage and got a look at the music on the violin stands. It was as you commented

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-19 Thread John Howell
At 6:04 PM + 2/19/11, Steve Parker wrote: Hence the paradoxical 'This page has been intentionally left blank' ;-) That's often found in really WELL laid out Broadway books. I don't recall seeing it anyplace else. But it's a very legitimate technique when page turns would otherwise be

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-19 Thread Steve Parker
It is pretty common in London theatreland too. I use it a lot myself. Steve P. On 19 Feb 2011, at 21:56, John Howell wrote: At 6:04 PM + 2/19/11, Steve Parker wrote: Hence the paradoxical 'This page has been intentionally left blank' ;-) That's often found in really WELL laid out

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-19 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sat Feb 19, at SaturdayFeb 19 4:56 PM, John Howell wrote: At 6:04 PM + 2/19/11, Steve Parker wrote: Hence the paradoxical 'This page has been intentionally left blank' ;-) That's often found in really WELL laid out Broadway books. I don't recall seeing it anyplace else. But it's

RE: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-19 Thread Lee Actor
At 6:04 PM + 2/19/11, Steve Parker wrote: Hence the paradoxical 'This page has been intentionally left blank' ;-) That's often found in really WELL laid out Broadway books. I don't recall seeing it anyplace else. But it's a very legitimate technique when page turns would otherwise be

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-19 Thread John Howell
At 5:30 PM -0500 2/19/11, Christopher Smith wrote: I noticed after playing Chicago last month that the originally-laid out parts had great page turns. Even though the copy work was sloppy (is that a D or an E below the bass staff?) somebody really knew what they were doing, putting a bass

RE: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-19 Thread Richard Yates
At 6:04 PM + 2/19/11, Steve Parker wrote: Hence the paradoxical 'This page has been intentionally left blank' ;-) Better?: This page intentionally contains only fifty-four characters. [Count 'em!] That's often found in really WELL laid out Broadway books. I don't recall seeing it

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-19 Thread Steve Parker
'This page would have been left blank if it could have been without generating complaints of missing music' On 19 Feb 2011, at 22:12, Richard Yates wrote: Better?: This page intentionally contains only fifty-four characters. [Count 'em!]

RE: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-19 Thread Richard Yates
Is that a measure-attached expression or a text block? -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Parker Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 3:46 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-18 Thread David H. Bailey
On 2/17/2011 11:13 PM, Andrew Moschou wrote: String players are seated further apart from each other and further back from the music stands, because our bows and arms would knock each other and the music stands otherwise. Trumpet and trombone players are seated fairly far back so that their

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-18 Thread David H. Bailey
On 2/17/2011 9:29 PM, Blake Richardson wrote: On Feb 17, 2011, at 10:00 AM,finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: From: Paul Haydenphayden...@cox.net Date: February 16, 2011 9:47:25 AM PST To:finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Staff size recommendations Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu The most readable

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-18 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Am 18.02.11 12:40, schrieb David H. Bailey: Trumpet and trombone players are seated fairly far back so that their instruments don't play directly into the stand. String players don't have any special lock on distance-to-stand excuses. :-) But trombonists and trumpeters don't share the stand

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-18 Thread Blake Richardson
On Feb 18, 2011, at 10:00 AM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: From: John Howell john.how...@vt.edu Date: February 17, 2011 8:10:08 PM PST To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu At 6:29 PM -0800 2/17/11, Blake Richardson wrote

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-18 Thread John Howell
At 3:08 PM -0800 2/18/11, Blake Richardson wrote: From: John Howell john.how...@vt.edu Nope. We sit 2 to a stand. That makes the distance to the far side of the music page pretty close to 36, since we're not centered on the page, while sitting 1 to a stand makes it more like 18-24.

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-18 Thread David W. Fenton
On 18 Feb 2011 at 19:24, John Howell wrote: I'm not trying to make some obscure point. I've been reading all of this with interest, as I'm constantly struggling in preparing parts and scores for my viol consort. There's always a trade-off between legibility and page turns. Obviously, in the

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-18 Thread Christopher Smith
On Fri Feb 18, at FridayFeb 18 8:25 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: But in the full score, I did have to make some pages reduced to a fairly small size just to make things work out. I reduced a 39-page score to 32 pages by doing so, and vastly improved the page turns. I subbed on continuo at

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-17 Thread John Howell
At 11:47 AM -0600 2/16/11, Paul Hayden wrote: Just received my copy of Elaine Gould's Behind Bars. It's going to take a while to browse through all 600+ pages, but I wanted to ask about one thing she discusses: staff size. On page 557 she states If the performer is likely to be some distance

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-17 Thread John Howell
At 3:26 PM +0100 2/17/11, dc wrote: John Howell écrit: Interesting that Sibelius' default size, for both score and parts, appears to be 7 mm. Interesting perhaps, but makes little sense. Parts obviously need to be larger than scores... Dennis Well, I just pulled up a string quartet

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-17 Thread Jari Williamsson
On 2011-02-16 18:47, Paul Hayden wrote: Just received my copy of Elaine Gould's Behind Bars. It's going to take a while to browse through all 600+ pages, but I wanted to ask about one thing she discusses: staff size. On page 557 she states If the performer is likely to be some distance from the

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-17 Thread Paul Hayden
On Feb 17, 2011, John Howell wrote: Don't forget that they also ask for large sized paper, 9 x 12 or larger. Those staves on U.S. letter paper would be AWFULLY large! I agree. I use 9.25 x 12 and the large staves (8.5 mm) for orchestral string parts look large but okay. I think 7.5 - 8 mm

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-17 Thread Blake Richardson
On Feb 17, 2011, at 10:00 AM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: From: Paul Hayden phayden...@cox.net Date: February 16, 2011 9:47:25 AM PST To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Staff size recommendations Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu The most readable staff size for all instruments is 8.5

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-17 Thread John Howell
At 6:29 PM -0800 2/17/11, Blake Richardson wrote: The most readable staff size for all instruments is 8.5 mm... Although 8 mm is readable for winds, it is less so for strings. Wind players can read music from staves that measure 7.5 mm, but this is very problematic for string players.

Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations

2011-02-17 Thread Andrew Moschou
String players are seated further apart from each other and further back from the music stands, because our bows and arms would knock each other and the music stands otherwise. On 18 February 2011 12:59, Blake Richardson btr1...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Why would this be? Just curious. It doesn't