On Oct 15, 2007, at 1:27 PM, dhbailey wrote:
Yes, I had forgotten about the 3-octave keyboard simulation in
Speedy, you're correct.
This is my primary method of entry, and when I depart from it it's
generally to use the up and down arrow keys, which I understand are
also missing in
Mark D Lew wrote:
On Oct 15, 2007, at 4:11 AM, dhbailey wrote:
I'm still waiting for Finale to fix it's improved Fin2k8 speedy
entry tool so that ctrl-3 (top-row number key) initiates triplets
again. Why they would change that escapes my ability to understand.
But with the professed aim of
On Oct 16, 2007, at 2:56 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
All I want to know is this: Do Sibelius's slurs automatically avoid
collisions with noteheads and accidentals? And furthermore, do the
tips automatically avoid staff lines?
Although Finale Engraver slurs are one of the most unreliable
On Oct 17, 2007, at 2:27 AM, dhbailey wrote:
opt-3 should work when you use the 3 on the numpad. It just
doesn't work as it used to when you use the 3 on the top-row of
number keys.
Oh, well in that case it wouldn't bother me. I always use the number
pad.
mdl
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On 15 Oct 2007, at 3:36 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote:
I'd hope a rat with paws inquisitively on both ship and lifeboat
might display the best instinctual wisdom for self-survival.
After all: I'm
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 14.10.2007 Richard Smith wrote:
Sorry. Try this one.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sibelius-list/message/33713.
Thanks.
I have a question: Does Sibelius have something similar to Engraver slurs?
Johannes
I'm not quite sure how to answer this -- Sibelius's
On 16.10.2007 dhbailey wrote:
I'm not quite sure how to answer this -- Sibelius's slurs look fine to me.
I've never really understood the difference between Engraver Slurs and Finale's
normal slurs, so I can't really answer whether Sibelius's slurs work the same,
worse or better than
On Oct 15, 2007, at 4:11 AM, dhbailey wrote:
I'm still waiting for Finale to fix it's improved Fin2k8 speedy
entry tool so that ctrl-3 (top-row number key) initiates triplets
again. Why they would change that escapes my ability to
understand. But with the professed aim of doing away with
On 15.10.2007 Tyler Turner wrote:
The revamped Simple Entry of 2004 and 2005 was not
intended to mimic Sibelius but rather to blatantly
borrow the things Sibelius was doing right and then go
way past them in coming up with an efficient tool.
Sibelius still maintains an advantage in regional
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 14 Oct 2007 at 16:28, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 03:42 PM 10/14/2007, David W. Fenton wrote:
The point is that Sibelius is not as versatile as Finale in terms of
providing options for music entry. Bad-mouthing Finale doesn't change
the fact that Sibelius is more
dc wrote:
Johannes Gebauer écrit:
Like David Fenton I also think that I would miss Speedy badly in
Sibelius. It is, imo, one of the very last trumps Finale still has to
make some pro users stay.
Agreed. The idea I have in the back of my head, when I try out Sibelius,
is to continue to enter
On Oct 15, 2007, at 7:17 AM, dhbailey wrote:
I don't think MakeMusic would dissolve the Speedy Entry tool were
it the preferred tool of choice for a huge majority of its users,
probably taking its lead from corporate users who purchase large
numbers of site licenses, who may not be
Christopher Smith wrote:
On Oct 15, 2007, at 7:17 AM, dhbailey wrote:
I don't think MakeMusic would dissolve the Speedy Entry tool were it
the preferred tool of choice for a huge majority of its users,
probably taking its lead from corporate users who purchase large
numbers of site
On 15.10.2007 dhbailey wrote:
The recent change in Speedy Entry behavior which now assigns ctrl-3 (top-row)
to zoom factor, depriving us of the deeply-ingrained behavior of defining a
triplet with ctrl-3 (top-row -- it still works with the numpad 3 key but that
was never what I did) made me
At 09:47 AM 10/15/2007, dhbailey wrote:
The recent change in Speedy Entry behavior which now assigns ctrl-3
(top-row) to zoom factor, depriving us of the deeply-ingrained behavior
of defining a triplet with ctrl-3 (top-row -- it still works with the
numpad 3 key but that was never what I did)
On 15.10.2007 Christopher Smith wrote:
I used to tie notes across barlines by entering too large a value, then hitting Move extra notes to next measure. This would be selected by default after the first time, so it would make things fast when dealing with the large number of anticipations that
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Sibelius does allow the computer keyboard selection
on pitches (in a
much easier way than Finale, in my opinion, in that
you hit an A and the
closest A appears on the staff, B gives the nearest
B, etc, rather than
having to use A S D F G H J for
At 08:10 AM 10/15/2007, Christopher Smith wrote:
I sent a panicked message to MakeMusic when the rumour first started
circulating that Speedy was to be eliminated in favour of Simple.
According to the response I received, what they are thinking of is
COMBINING the two tools, with the
I've been bitching about the lack of a Cancel button in the 'Too Many
Beats... dialog box for years, to absolutely no avail. The
response I last got from some dim-bulb tech support dweeb was they no
longer felt it was consistent or necessary with the GUI. WHAT???
I scream every time I
Hmmm ... mine still defines a triplet with those key strokes, but I'm
still on 2007 ...
Dean
On Oct 15, 2007, at 7:04 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 15.10.2007 dhbailey wrote:
The recent change in Speedy Entry behavior which now assigns
ctrl-3 (top-row) to zoom factor, depriving us of the
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Hmmm ... mine still defines a triplet with those key strokes, but I'm
still on 2007 ...
That's right -- it was changed in Fin2008.
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Lord, I'm glad I didn't upgrade!
Dean
On Oct 15, 2007, at 10:06 AM, dhbailey wrote:
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Hmmm ... mine still defines a triplet with those key strokes, but
I'm still on 2007 ...
That's right -- it was changed in Fin2008.
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Does Sibelius have a decent group of tutorials via which one may
learn said techniques?
Dean
On Oct 15, 2007, at 4:27 AM, dhbailey wrote:
Sibelius does allow the computer keyboard selection on pitches (in
a much easier way than Finale, in my opinion, in that you hit an A
and the
Do they have a better guitar sound?
George Ports
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Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Sibelius for Finale users
Richard Smith wrote:
Sibelius 5 comes with about 3GB of samples called
Hi Tyler,
If MM implemented this, it would make it possible for me to consider
making use of Simple Entry's advantages. Pitch first is a
requirement for my way of thinking/working. Adding those advantages
to Speedy would be even better for me.
Chuck
On Oct 15, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Tyler
George Ports wrote:
Do they have a better guitar sound?
George Ports
I couldn't really say, because what one person's better guitar sound
is may well be another person's horrible guitar sound.
And I don't write music for guitars so I haven't really compared them.
The samples taken from
Re Speedy vs. Simple and Sibelius:
When I started usin Finale (FinWin 97), I had a new computer with a
temporary midi conflict from two sound cards. As a result, I couldn't
use Speedy for a while and had to use Simple for a few weeks. That did
give a benefit of becoming proficient with all
I get this a lot, also. I just let it do it's dirty work, then hit
Ctrl_Z to undo it. (sigh).
RBH
ThomaStudios wrote:
I've been bitching about the lack of a Cancel button in the 'Too Many
Beats... dialog box for years, to absolutely no avail. The response
I last got from some dim-bulb
Seems to me that a rat leaving a sinking ship is an intelligent rat.
Dean
On Oct 15, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Ray Horton wrote:
Re Speedy vs. Simple and Sibelius:
When I started usin Finale (FinWin 97), I had a new computer with a
temporary midi conflict from two sound cards. As a result, I
Ray Horton wrote:
Re Speedy vs. Simple and Sibelius:
When I started usin Finale (FinWin 97), I had a new computer with a
temporary midi conflict from two sound cards. As a result, I couldn't
use Speedy for a while and had to use Simple for a few weeks. That did
give a benefit of becoming
On Mon, October 15, 2007 3:21 pm, dhbailey wrote:
The one control which Sibelius
lacks that Finale has is the ability to use the up/down cursor keys to
place the pitch.
Ack! That's the only method of entry I use in Finale! Wuncha know...
Dennis
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wrote:
Tyler Turner wrote:
[snip]
In Finale, if you make a mistake and enter the
wrong
duration for a note, you can use a single
keystroke to
fix it (alt-number - so alt-4 converts last note
into
eighth note). You don't have to arrow back to the
note
] Sibelius for Finale users
Seems to me that a rat leaving a sinking ship is an intelligent rat.
Dean
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dhbailey wrote:
Ray Horton wrote:
Re Speedy vs. Simple and Sibelius:
...
So far on the list the welcome to us on that list has been less than
tremendous: 'Switch to Sibelius - simple entry is far better
because it's the only one we have' (On this I agree 100% with David
Fenton.) And we
$On 15 Oct 2007 at 15:21, dhbailey wrote:
Any combination of computer keyboard, mouse and midi-keyboard is
possible in Sibelius, just as in Finale. The one control which Sibelius
lacks that Finale has is the ability to use the up/down cursor keys to
place the pitch. And if that's a
Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 03:21 PM 10/15/2007, dhbailey wrote:
possible in Sibelius, just as in Finale. The one control which Sibelius
lacks that Finale has is the ability to use the up/down cursor keys to
place the pitch.
That's not true. Sibelius lacks an equivalent to Finale's Speedy
On 15 Oct 2007 at 16:03, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 15.10.2007 Christopher Smith wrote:
I used to tie notes across barlines by entering too large a value, then
hitting Move extra notes to next measure. This would be selected by
default after the first time, so it would make things fast
Tyler Turner wrote:
--- dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Tyler Turner wrote:
[snip]
In Finale, if you make a mistake and enter the
wrong
duration for a note, you can use a single
keystroke to
fix it (alt-number - so alt-4 converts last note
into
eighth note). You don't have to arrow
Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote:
I'd hope a rat with paws inquisitively on both ship and lifeboat might display the best instinctual wisdom for self-survival.
After all: I'm merely curious to see if the Roquefort is truly greener on the
other side.
It's not necessarily greener, I'd
I think that is where a lot of us are right now, both in the ship and
the life boat.
dhbailey wrote:
So this rat is firmly keeping his feet firmly planted on both ship and
life-boat and hoping against hope that I don't fall into the water as
the boats drift apart. But I have my
Matthew Hindson fastmail account wrote:
Aaron Sherber wrote:
2. I find it much more intuitive to select pitch first and then
duration (Speedy) rather than duration first and then pitch (Simple).
This is how we think when we write music by hand; the pen moves to
the appropriate place on the
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 14 Oct 2007 at 7:59, Richard Smith wrote:
Sorry. Try this one.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sibelius-list/message/33713.
Sorry, but for a thread to begin with this:
Sibelius' keyboard entry routines are what Finale has been
trying
to copy for
On 15-Oct-07, at 6:42 PM, Matthew Hindson fastmail account wrote:
(On a side note, there are some aggro types on the Sibelius chat site!
I had to look up that word! 8-)
I thought at first that it was Aussie slang. Apparently it comes from
online game playing, where either all the players
At 07:11 AM 10/15/2007, dhbailey wrote:
Finale has acknowledged that it is getting rid of the Speedy Entry tool,
incorporating aspects of it into other tools.
I don't believe this is true. Christopher Smith said that an MM
employee told him that they are thinking of combining the two tools,
Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 07:11 AM 10/15/2007, dhbailey wrote:
Finale has acknowledged that it is getting rid of the Speedy Entry
tool, incorporating aspects of it into other tools.
I don't believe this is true. Christopher Smith said that an MM
employee told him that they are thinking of
On 14.10.2007 Richard Smith wrote:
Sorry. Try this one.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sibelius-list/message/33713.
Thanks.
I have a question: Does Sibelius have something similar to Engraver slurs?
Johannes
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At 07:27 AM 10/15/2007, dhbailey wrote:
Sibelius does allow the computer keyboard selection on pitches (in a
much easier way than Finale, in my opinion, in that you hit an A and the
closest A appears on the staff, B gives the nearest B, etc,
Isn't that exactly how the current Simple works?
On 14.10.2007 Richard Smith wrote:
I am a long time Finale user (since v.2) currently using 2005. I am also
experienced with Sibelius (since v.1) which is my preferred program. Since so
many on this list are investigating Sibelius, may I draw your attention to this
thread on the Sibelius list
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Well, if this post gets out there, since I had no responses to my query
inre what sorts of playback sounds were available in Sib 5, and after
finally having found some of the info on the Sibelius product
description, I went ahead the coughed up the $80 and ordered one.
Richard Smith wrote:
Sibelius 5 comes with about 3GB of samples called Sibelius Sounds
Essentials. It includes GPO, Garriton JABB, Concert and Maching Band,
Virtual Drumline, and World Music. It also has VST/AU support so you can
also use other sample libraries.
Just to clarify -- it comes
Sorry. Try this one.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sibelius-list/message/33713.
RGS
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 14.10.2007 Richard Smith wrote:
I am a long time Finale user (since v.2) currently using 2005. I am
also experienced with Sibelius (since v.1) which is my preferred
program.
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wrote:
Yes there is more variety in Sibelius.
Whereas Finale only includes the GPO subset and then
included the DXi
version of the SmartMusic soundfont, Sibelius also
got some instruments
from the JABB set so there are saxophones included.
And it also
On 14 Oct 2007 at 7:59, Richard Smith wrote:
Sorry. Try this one.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sibelius-list/message/33713.
Sorry, but for a thread to begin with this:
Sibelius' keyboard entry routines are what Finale has been
trying
to copy for several years.
This just by
At 03:42 PM 10/14/2007, David W. Fenton wrote:
Sorry, but for a thread to begin with this:
Sibelius' keyboard entry routines are what Finale has been
trying
to copy for several years.
This just by no stretch of the imagination a true statement. Simple
Entry existed before Sibelius
On 14 Oct 2007 at 16:28, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 03:42 PM 10/14/2007, David W. Fenton wrote:
The point is that Sibelius is not as versatile as Finale in terms of
providing options for music entry. Bad-mouthing Finale doesn't change
the fact that Sibelius is more limiting, and enforces a
--- Aaron Sherber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David, I don't believe this is true. Yes, Simple
Entry has been
around forever, but the revamped Simple introduced a
few years ago
was very specifically an attempt to mimic the
functionality of
Sibelius note entry.
The revamped Simple Entry
David, I'm sorry if I offended you. It was not my intent to insult
Finale our your working method, merely to say that while Speedy Entry is
for many (myself included) the most efficient manner of working with
Finale, Sibelius works best with keyboard step time entry methods.
I realize that
Well, if this post gets out there, since I had no responses to my
query inre what sorts of playback sounds were available in Sib 5, and
after finally having found some of the info on the Sibelius product
description, I went ahead the coughed up the $80 and ordered one. I'd
still like to
Sibelius 5 comes with about 3GB of samples called Sibelius Sounds
Essentials. It includes GPO, Garriton JABB, Concert and Maching Band,
Virtual Drumline, and World Music. It also has VST/AU support so you can
also use other sample libraries.
Richard Smith
http://www.rgsmithmusic.com
Dean M.
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