[Finale] Finale 2008b fermatas
In the last measure of a piece, the keyboard part has in layer 1 a double whole note with a fermata over the double whole on the first beat, while in layer 2 there are several notes finishing out the measure, with a fermata needed on the final note on beat 3. I need to have an inverted fermata for this note in layer 2. When I used to use Finale 2003, there was both a right sight up and inverted fermata in the articulation tool. In Finale 2008, I only see the right side up fermata. Is there any way I can get the inverted fermata here? Thanks, Martin Martin Banner [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alliancemusic.com/peopledetails.cfm?iPeopleID=22 http://hinshawmusic.com/search_results.php?keyword=bannersearch=Search http://collavoce.com/search.php?cmd=searchmode=normalwords=Banner http://sbmp.com/SeeItNowFolder/SeeItNowMen.html http://carlfischer.com/Fischer/search.cfm?cfT=cfC=BannercfID= http://lorenz.com/results.aspx?srch=quickcid=Martin+Banner ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale 2008b fermatas
If the flipped fermata is not in the articulation definition you can add it: Place a fermata. Double click the fermata to open the Articulation Designer box. Click on 'Flipped...' Select the inverted fermata (it is slot 117 in the character set.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Banner Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:02 AM To: Finale Subject: [Finale] Finale 2008b fermatas In the last measure of a piece, the keyboard part has in layer 1 a double whole note with a fermata over the double whole on the first beat, while in layer 2 there are several notes finishing out the measure, with a fermata needed on the final note on beat 3. I need to have an inverted fermata for this note in layer 2. When I used to use Finale 2003, there was both a right sight up and inverted fermata in the articulation tool. In Finale 2008, I only see the right side up fermata. Is there any way I can get the inverted fermata here? Thanks, Martin Martin Banner [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alliancemusic.com/peopledetails.cfm?iPeopleID=22 http://hinshawmusic.com/search_results.php?keyword=bannersearch=Search http://collavoce.com/search.php?cmd=searchmode=normalwords=Banner http://sbmp.com/SeeItNowFolder/SeeItNowMen.html http://carlfischer.com/Fischer/search.cfm?cfT=cfC=BannercfID= http://lorenz.com/results.aspx?srch=quickcid=Martin+Banner ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Finale 2009b
Hi Darcy, The only difference between 2009a and 2009b is that they fixed the EPS problem. I happened to have written to this list about it (EPS export causes ties to disappear). I wrote to finale support and they told me about 2009b. Now EPS export includes all the ties. Also 2009b folds in all of the 2009a fixes (so 2009a is no longer necessary). David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Unannounced Fixes in 2009b
Since 2007, Finale's INSERT command has had a really annoying bug. I do a lot of updating of some really old scores to have better VST, etc. Until 2009b, internal key changes had to be made by hand;-( That seems to be fixed now. I am greatly relieved;-) Henry Howey Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/music/faculty/howey.php Owner of FINALE Discussion List ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] BBBOOOOUUUNNNEEESSSS
I have been forwarding all bounce instances to a tech. I'll keep doing this until we get it solved;-) Henry Howey Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/music/faculty/howey.php Owner of FINALE Discussion List ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History
Hi everyone: A friend has let me borrow a book called Musical Ensembles in Festival Books: 1500 - 1800. by Edmund A. Bowles. It must have hundreds of woodcuts and drawings from original sources, that I've never seen before-- and I've read a lot of music history books. It's really impressive. I was told the study of musical iconography is an area of study, primarily in Germany, where many similiar type of books are printed in four color ink (they must be *very* expensive). Would anyone on the list know about specific titles? I would love to find more information. Thank you! Kim -- Kim Patrick Clow Early Music enthusiasts think outside the Bachs! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History
Very interesting! Does it happen to have any images of string quartets in it? Johannes On 13.11.2008 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: A friend has let me borrow a book called Musical Ensembles in Festival Books: 1500 - 1800. by Edmund A. Bowles. It must have hundreds of woodcuts and drawings from original sources, that I've never seen before-- and I've read a lot of music history books. It's really impressive. I was told the study of musical iconography is an area of study, primarily in Germany, where many similiar type of books are printed in four color ink (they must be *very* expensive). Would anyone on the list know about specific titles? I would love to find more information. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History
I'll check, but this book seems to be centered around Festivals related to coronations and other occassions for nobility and royality. If I find anything I'll let you know. Oh I heard your Haydn Trios CD, very nice ;) Thanks Kim On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very interesting! Does it happen to have any images of string quartets in it? Johannes On 13.11.2008 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: A friend has let me borrow a book called Musical Ensembles in Festival Books: 1500 - 1800. by Edmund A. Bowles. It must have hundreds of woodcuts and drawings from original sources, that I've never seen before-- and I've read a lot of music history books. It's really impressive. I was told the study of musical iconography is an area of study, primarily in Germany, where many similiar type of books are printed in four color ink (they must be *very* expensive). Would anyone on the list know about specific titles? I would love to find more information. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Kim Patrick Clow Early Music enthusiasts think outside the Bachs! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] BBBOOOOUUUNNNEEESSSS
This is good news to me. I've always been a bit frustrated that when bounces occur, there is no way for the end user (me) to fix the problem. In the case of this list, the only thing we can do is send an email to you - which you doubtless get tired of. So let me say in advance: Thanks for your hospitality! Dick H On Nov 13, 2008, at 11:20 AM, Howey, Henry wrote: I have been forwarding all bounce instances to a tech. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History
Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Hi everyone: A friend has let me borrow a book called Musical Ensembles in Festival Books: 1500 - 1800. by Edmund A. Bowles. The Utrecht University Library has this book: see http://aleph.library.uu.nl/F/F31NKQ8CRPPBYUQR2MGCLY9E1X6VKJ9RAKTA4KAGNVLCQPVLGP-02214?func=find-accacc_sequence=003630971 (I hope this link will work). I live in Bilthoven, very clodr to Utrecht, 20 minutes by bus, so if someone wants me to make (black and white) photocopies, I can. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History
That's the book I have, I appreciate your finding that ;) Are there other books in German that cover this same type of topic/material with full color plates? Thanks again! Kim On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Barbara Touburg [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Hi everyone: A friend has let me borrow a book called Musical Ensembles in Festival Books: 1500 - 1800. by Edmund A. Bowles. The Utrecht University Library has this book: see http://aleph.library.uu.nl/F/F31NKQ8CRPPBYUQR2MGCLY9E1X6VKJ9RAKTA4KAGNVLCQPVLGP-02214?func=find-accacc_sequence=003630971 (I hope this link will work). I live in Bilthoven, very clodr to Utrecht, 20 minutes by bus, so if someone wants me to make (black and white) photocopies, I can. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Kim Patrick Clow Early Music enthusiasts think outside the Bachs! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History
Kim Patrick Clow wrote: That's the book I have, I appreciate your finding that ;) Are there other books in German that cover this same type of topic/material with full color plates? Thanks again! Kim I suppose you'd better ask Johannes! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History
Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Hi everyone: A friend has let me borrow a book called Musical Ensembles in Festival Books: 1500 - 1800. by Edmund A. Bowles. It must have hundreds of woodcuts and drawings from original sources, that I've never seen before-- and I've read a lot of music history books. It's really impressive. I was told the study of musical iconography is an area of study, primarily in Germany, where many similiar type of books are printed in four color ink (they must be *very* expensive). Would anyone on the list know about specific titles? I would love to find more information. I don't know about specific titles, but I know where to look for more info. Doing a Firstsearch lookup on the author, I readily found the title, and doing a lookup on the LC cataloging number resulted in quite an interesting array of nearly the greater part of 400 items (cf. http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/WebZ/FSQUERY?sessionid=fsapp6-44175-fni0ygan-n68xlo:entitypagenum=4:0:next=html/records.html:bad=html/records.html:format=BI:numrecs=10:indexh1=:termh1=lc%3AML85:dbname=WorldCat:searchtype=hotlc) ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] To buy or not to buy
Listers, I am presently running MacFin 07, and it is working fine. If I upgrade to 2009, will it be worth it ... I've read about a ton of problems some of you folks have dealt with in the latest version ... have enough of those been worked out to buy into it? Thanks, Dean Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong. R. Buckminster Fuller ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
I would not do it. I'm relatively unhappy with the changes to copy/paste in 08 and quite unhappy with the changes to expressions in 09. There are a few compensating bug fixes, so depending on what kind of music you write it might be worth it. (I understand chords work better as to lyric hyphens.) If I weren't using Mac OS Leopard, I'd still be on 07. I am tempted anyway to revert and live with the crash-on-exit, but I've traveled pretty far down the 08 road now. RP Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Listers, I am presently running MacFin 07, and it is working fine. If I upgrade to 2009, will it be worth it ... I've read about a ton of problems some of you folks have dealt with in the latest version ... have enough of those been worked out to buy into it? Thanks, Dean Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong. R. Buckminster Fuller ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] BBBOOOOUUUNNNEEESSSS
On 13 Nov 2008 at 14:30, Dick Hauser wrote: I've always been a bit frustrated that when bounces occur, there is no way for the end user (me) to fix the problem. In the case of this list, the only thing we can do is send an email to you - which you doubtless get tired of. What kind of bounces are these? Bounces of list messages sent to a subscriber email account, or bounces of posts sent by the subscriber to the list server? The latter an end user will see, the former, not. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History
On 13 Nov 2008 at 17:02, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: A friend has let me borrow a book called Musical Ensembles in Festival Books: 1500 - 1800. by Edmund A. Bowles. It must have hundreds of woodcuts and drawings from original sources, that I've never seen before-- and I've read a lot of music history books. It's really impressive. I was told the study of musical iconography is an area of study, primarily in Germany, where many similiar type of books are printed in four color ink (they must be *very* expensive). Would anyone on the list know about specific titles? I would love to find more information. Music iconography is an area rife will all sorts of bad scholarship. Many people try to take the images literally, when they were never created that way. For instance, just because two people are depicted together in an image doesn't mean they ever met, or that they were ever in the same place at the same time. It doesn't even mean that even one of them was ever at the depicted place/event. Likewise with musical instruments and playing technique. Many artists were quite indifferent to getting the details right, and even for artists who tried to be accurate in their depictions, some would use conventionalized renderings of instruments/playing positions because they weren't so much depicting what was represented as they were creating an instance in a long line of representations of a certain subject. These two problems were endemic to much of the early iconographic scholarship (before 20-30 years ago). I don't know if things are vastly improved now, but at least most of the work in the field that I've seen is no longer the amateurish work that was emblematic of the field not long ago. Also, CUNY many years ago under the direction of Barry Brook tried to create an music iconography reference (a RISM of images), but the project was so huge it was never finished. I expect the images that were collected are available for perusal at CUNY, but probably only with special permission. I have no real contacts there, but you could start here: http://web.gc.cuny.edu/rcmi/ I don't know if the materials they have are cataloged in a way that makes it possible to just walk in and use their collection, or if it's more of an ad hoc thing. But it's certainly a place to start serious research in iconography if you're in the area (as you are, Kim). -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
Why don't you let Dean download the demo and decide for himself? On Nov 13, 2008, at 6:41 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: I would not do it. I'm relatively unhappy with the changes to copy/ paste in 08 and quite unhappy with the changes to expressions in 09. There are a few compensating bug fixes, so depending on what kind of music you write it might be worth it. (I understand chords work better as to lyric hyphens.) If I weren't using Mac OS Leopard, I'd still be on 07. I am tempted anyway to revert and live with the crash-on-exit, but I've traveled pretty far down the 08 road now. RP Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Listers, I am presently running MacFin 07, and it is working fine. If I upgrade to 2009, will it be worth it ... I've read about a ton of problems some of you folks have dealt with in the latest version ... have enough of those been worked out to buy into it? Thanks, Dean Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong. R. Buckminster Fuller ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History
On 13.11.2008 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: I'll check, but this book seems to be centered around Festivals related to coronations and other occassions for nobility and royality. If I find anything I'll let you know. Oh I heard your Haydn Trios CD, very nice ;) Thanks, we are bringing out J.L.Dussek's string quartets in a world premiere in the next few weeks, which I am very excited about. They are fab. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History
On 14 Nov 2008 at 8:28, dc wrote: [quoting http://www.minkoff-editions.com/musique_musicologie/pages/i- j.htm] this collection assembles in handy volumes, unencumbered by superfluous notes or de luxe presentation, I'm always suspicious of people who are suspicous of notes. Notes tell us things that we need to know and are usually not superfluous, except to those who want to remain unencumbered by facts. Cf. Urtext. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy
On 14.11.2008 Allen Fisher wrote: Why don't you let Dean download the demo and decide for himself? Well, actually, I am not sure whether this is the correct way to decide. A lot of the under-the-hood changes in 09 may very well only show their effects deep down into projects, which is not possible with a demo version which cannot save. I actually have the same question as Dean. I still don't know whether I will benefit from at least some of the improvements. I may well. Especially the new house style approach. I also hear that engraver slurs have improved, and this is one of the areas where I constantly curse. Then, I really dislike their reinvention of expressions - not so much because of the new staff-style usage but because of the no longer note-bound approach. I have yet to understand this, and understand why they did it. So far it completely escapes me. On the other hand I will eventually have to upgrade as my ibook is nearing its eol. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
