Re: [Finale] Changing slurred 8ths to 8th-16th
COMPLETELY disagree. PUT the dots for all staccato notes and NEVER use the cresc, decresc...they are always easily missed / immediately forgotten. Hairpins never fail. Patrick J. M. Sheehan P. S. Music patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: Christopher Smith [mailto:christopher.sm...@videotron.ca] Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 1:28 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Changing slurred 8ths to 8th-16th In my experience, when there is a way to indicate something with text or with music notation, music notation wins every time. Musicians for some reason I don't quite understand have more trouble understanding cresc. than they do understanding a hairpin, for example. Dots over the notes WILL be played short 100% of the time, whereas the indication stacc. may or may not be correctly executed on sight reading. For that reason alone, i would choose a musical notation over a text indication. Christopher On Sun Mar 22, at SundayMar 22 12:00 PM, timothy price wrote: Just finished reading Score Rehearsal Preparation by Gary Stith in which he remarks about how composers might simply use text to clarify any possible ambiguity in the score. He invites text notes so that there is no time wasted in discussion of the intent of the score. .. simply tell us what you intended. This can be a few words on the staff of instrument notation, or at the end of the score in a section of issues about the score and how to play it. Seems good to me. tim On Mar 22, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Why not just say non portato and leave it at that ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Changing slurred 8ths to 8th-16th
On 3/23/2015 5:38 PM, Steve Parker wrote: I don’t agree that hairpins and cresc. are always interchangable. In some styles of music a hairpin will take you up or down by one dynamic marking, whereas ‘cresc.’ or ‘dim.’ can be used to move smoothly from any mark to any other. This allows distinctions that get messy if the two are collated, for example pp ff when what you require is pp p crescendo, then immediately f. [snip] I've never heard or been taught that use of the hairpin where it only takes you up a single dynamic level if there's nothing indicated. What styles of music make such use of hairpins? Can you point to some authority which supports that? I've always been taught and found that if a composer wants a hairpin to go up to a specific dynamic then it's wisest for that composer to indicate specifically what is wanted. So if the composer wants ppp then that's what needs to be printed. Otherwise the hairpin is as open to individual interpretation as much as cresc. or dim. is. Merely giving pp with no indication is as likely to yield an mp or an mf or even an f if nothing is indicated. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Changing slurred 8ths to 8th-16th
Hi David, I’m not saying it’s universal. It seems a general understanding in the UK brass band world, but I’ve come across the idea elsewhere. My childhood brass teacher initially taught it to me (he was a composition PhD, fwiw..). I know of no authority for it. My example was pathological and should obviously be specified without risk of misinterpretation. I would feel safe writing p in any situation and expect it to swell to mp and not mf or ff. Steve P. On 23 Mar 2015, at 21:52, David H. Bailey dhbaile...@comcast.net wrote: On 3/23/2015 5:38 PM, Steve Parker wrote: I don’t agree that hairpins and cresc. are always interchangable. In some styles of music a hairpin will take you up or down by one dynamic marking, whereas ‘cresc.’ or ‘dim.’ can be used to move smoothly from any mark to any other. This allows distinctions that get messy if the two are collated, for example pp ff when what you require is pp p crescendo, then immediately f. [snip] I've never heard or been taught that use of the hairpin where it only takes you up a single dynamic level if there's nothing indicated. What styles of music make such use of hairpins? Can you point to some authority which supports that? I've always been taught and found that if a composer wants a hairpin to go up to a specific dynamic then it's wisest for that composer to indicate specifically what is wanted. So if the composer wants ppp then that's what needs to be printed. Otherwise the hairpin is as open to individual interpretation as much as cresc. or dim. is. Merely giving pp with no indication is as likely to yield an mp or an mf or even an f if nothing is indicated. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Changing slurred 8ths to 8th-16th
I don’t agree that hairpins and cresc. are always interchangable. In some styles of music a hairpin will take you up or down by one dynamic marking, whereas ‘cresc.’ or ‘dim.’ can be used to move smoothly from any mark to any other. This allows distinctions that get messy if the two are collated, for example pp ff when what you require is pp p crescendo, then immediately f. Steve P. On 23 Mar 2015, at 20:55, Patrick Sheehan patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com wrote: COMPLETELY disagree. PUT the dots for all staccato notes and NEVER use the cresc, decresc...they are always easily missed / immediately forgotten. Hairpins never fail. Patrick J. M. Sheehan P. S. Music patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: Christopher Smith [mailto:christopher.sm...@videotron.ca] Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 1:28 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Changing slurred 8ths to 8th-16th In my experience, when there is a way to indicate something with text or with music notation, music notation wins every time. Musicians for some reason I don't quite understand have more trouble understanding cresc. than they do understanding a hairpin, for example. Dots over the notes WILL be played short 100% of the time, whereas the indication stacc. may or may not be correctly executed on sight reading. For that reason alone, i would choose a musical notation over a text indication. Christopher On Sun Mar 22, at SundayMar 22 12:00 PM, timothy price wrote: Just finished reading Score Rehearsal Preparation by Gary Stith in which he remarks about how composers might simply use text to clarify any possible ambiguity in the score. He invites text notes so that there is no time wasted in discussion of the intent of the score. .. simply tell us what you intended. This can be a few words on the staff of instrument notation, or at the end of the score in a section of issues about the score and how to play it. Seems good to me. tim On Mar 22, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Why not just say non portato and leave it at that ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
