Re: [Finale] Wouldn't it be nice....clik--drag measure width?
Karen wrote, responding to a question from Owen: I have both left and right repeat marks created as shape expression that I use for some of the aleatoric music that I work on. Gives me a little more flexibility in moving things around. prompting Owen to respond: That sounds interesting..I'm afraid I've never come to terms with the shape expression tool. Both the interface and the implementation seem to be stuck in the late 1980s (along with nonstandard key signatures, my pet gripe). Of course, I'm not criticising anybody who successfully does such things with the tool - I just can't imagine the time it could take to create something such as a repeat mark (identical to the default one). If you know any handy tricks, please share! To which I would note, the steps I would take in shape designer, to create a shape expression repeat sign 1) Check the font characters for the preferred music font to see if the there happens to be a predefined character for the desired repeat sign. For example, Corel offers a musical symbol font with WordPerfect which contains a left repeat at space 093, and a right repeat at 125; a true-type font named Sonata-thin, which I obtained from a collection, 1,111 selected fonts, produced by Hemming GMBH of Germany, contains the same characters mapped to the same slots. [The Wordperfect font may be based upon the Hemming one; there is a significant amount of coincidence, but the two fonts are not identical.] 2) If 1) is not suitable, go to options document settings barlines, and make note of the thin barline, thick barline, and space between barlines settings. 3) Open the shape designer, by selecting expression, double clicking on the score, and selecting the shape radio button in the expression dialog box. 3) In the shape expression selection dialog box, select create, and open shape expression designer dialog box. 4) In shape expression designer, click select, to open the shape selection dialog box, and click the create button, to enter the shape designer. Make sure the size is set to 100 % 5) Click the shapedesigner menu option, and select show, and select staff template. 6) Click the shapedesigner menu option, select line thickness, select other, and put in the value for the space between barlines. 7) Select line tool, and place a vertical line on the origin, beginning on the center line of the staff template, extending below the staff. 8) Click shapedesigner menu option, select line thickness, select other, and enter value for the width of the thick barline. 9) Select line tool, and place vertical line on the staff template on the desired side of the line entered in 7 between top and bottom lines of the staff. 10) Click shapedesigner menu option, select line thickness, select other, and enter value for the width of the thin barline. 11) Place this on staff, as in item 9 above. 12) Move line created in 7, to the opposite side of thin bar line. 13) Select font tool, and place in the shape designer box, a small separator dot (ALT-0183 in windows) 14) Adjust point size as needed. 15) Place a second separator dot in a different place. 16) Move the separator dots into place in the staff template, on the opposite side of the line moved in 12, from the thick bar line. 17) delete line created in 7, and moved in 12, by finding the selection tool, and clicking on the line below the staff template to select it, and deleting. 18) Change size to 25 percent, and while using the selection tool, drag-enclose the entire visible area. Inspect for disused items, represented by a handle with no apparent attachment. If any such handles are found, select them and delete them. 19) Change size back to 100 percent, drag enclose the shape, and in the shapedesginer menu, select group items 20) Click OK to save shape, and exit shapedesigner. 21) Click select to select shape. 22) In shape designer dialog box, if the box, allow stretching is selected, click on the box to deselect it. Click OK 23) Shape is ready to use. It would take me about a two minutes to create a repeat sign shape expression, and a significant part of this is opening a new document. It is my custom, before building any shape, to open a new document without libraries, create the shape there, and save the shape(s) as a library, which I would then load into the working document. It is faster to do this than to save the library out of the work document, and delete the extraneous material. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback of Dotted 8th/16th as Standard Swing
In a message dated 02/28/2005 12:42:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Part of the problem is the notation you are dealing with; writing swing rhythms as dotted-eighth/sixteenth is a very old notation, and you almost never see it any more in modern works. Unless the arranger or editor is adhering to a fifty-year-old convention, jazz rhythms are written most clearly these days as ordinary eighths. When notated that way, Finale can put any amount of swing you want on the eighths, just in the Playback window controls, while playing back triplets as written. I'm not sure how it deals with dotted-eighth/sixteenths in that situation, but I assume that it is not acceptable to you. I would not imagine that it plays them back as triplets. I am far from being a fan of Human Playback, but this seems like it might work (not tested by me.) First of all, try applying Human Playback in the Playback window. Use the jazz setting. If this is no good (I suspect it only applies to eighths, not your dotted-eight/sixteenths) try this: In Mass Edit, select all. Under PluginsNew for 2005, select Apply Human Playback. Click Apply Specific Elements. Click More Settings: Select. I think what you are looking for is Adjust 8th and Dotted 16th/Triplet. This does not seem to be correctly named, but no matter. If the default doesn't do what you want, try messing around with these settings. You will probably get a message at some point telling you to set Human Playback to none. Go ahead and click OK. Hope this helps. Also read the manual - Chapter 39: Playback under Swing Playback. If this doesn't work, you can export a MIDI file from Finale, import it into a full-fledged sequencing program, apply one of the logical edits (depends on the program how it is implemented) to only shift 4th sixteenths a sixteenth earlier. Re-import the file into Finale, where all those dotted-eight/sixteenths will now be even eighths, and apply Swing from the playback window. All should be well, except that the playback file will look hopeless. No matter, it is only for playback! By the way, you didn't ask, but the swing feel might be more realistic at a tempo faster than medium slow if you ask for a SMALLER percentage swing than even the light swing setting gives you. You can experiment with different values in the Playback control window. Pure triplets tends to sound real hokey except at the slowest tempos. Thanks, Christopher. I have already tried the Adjust dotted 8th/16th option, but it seems the dotted 8th/16th figures continue to play back in a 3:1 rather than 2:1 ratio. As I initially posted, I am familiar with the swing playback feature, which of course works fine when the notation is in eighths rather than dotted 8th/16th format. I always choose Light swing in playback mode. Is there an easy way to choose an even lighter form (other than through the MIDI tool)? Yes, light is as swingy as I ever want it to be, too! In the Playback window, when you choose light, there is a number that appears afterwards (75 on my Mac version). You can edit this number to be even smaller to make the swing even more even. I don't have a sequencing program, so it appears I may be stuck manually converting those dotted 8th/16th figures into even eighths. I know that in Finale NoteMover mode you can do search and replace for certain pitches with certain rhythms. Is it possible to do a global search and replace in Finale 2005 for certain rhythmic figures (i.e., dotted 8th/16th) when those figures have different pitches throughout the piece? Kathy There very well may be a search and replace function somewhere in the plugins, but I am not familiar with those that I don't use. Maybe under Note, Beam and Rest EditingRhythmic Subdivisions? It looks likely. Try tech support as well. They are very responsive (if a bit slow at times.) Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Mail problem, was Re: [Finale] Playback of Dotted 8th/16th as Standard Swing
On Feb 28, 2005, at 8:41 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: In a message dated 02/28/2005 12:42:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Part of the problem is the notation you are dealing with; writing swing rhythms as dotted-eighth/sixteenth is a very old notation, and you almost never see it any more in modern works. Unless the arranger or One more thing I forgot to mention, unrelated to your problem. In Mail in Mac OSX, I can't reply to your message! The reply window refuses to come up through command-r or the Reply item in the mene, and I ended up copying your text, address and subject into a new message. It's only YOUR message; other messages reply fine. The behaviour is identical even after restarting Mail, and after rebooting my Mac. However, after restarting Mail, I see all the attempts I made to reply, but without quoted text. Weird, or what? Anybody else out there with Mail can confirm? This only applies to your most recent message, not the first one. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT-Non-responsive MIDI keys
A couple of keys on my EDIROL PCR-31 keyboard are not making a circuit. Is there a spray or other means to (I assume) de-oxidize the contacts for a better response? -- Henry Howey, D.M.A. Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/~music/faculty/howey.html Owner of FINALE Discussion List ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
Simple entry got an overhaul in 2k4. I've cut my note entry time by about 40% because you don't have to pick up the mouse and you can enter a bunch of other things besides notes (clef, key, time, artics, expressions...) On 2/27/05 1:47 PM, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: Yes. And hides those rests. Well, that's useful, but it's not enough for me to put up with all the other problems of Simple Entry. Of course, I'm not on the latest version (WinFin2K3). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OSX Lyrics Slowdown!!!
This probably won't work if you have Tuplets or Repeats in the document. On 2/27/05 7:31 PM, Richard Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: Personally, I much prefer to use 2005, but the @#$%*! composer I'm working for hasn't upgraded yet and needs the project in 2004 format. This would definitely be a great situation to have *BACKWARD COMPATIBILITY OF FILES*! (for all you MakeMusic lurkers out there). Brian Here is a technique by which you can convert FinWin2005 files into 2004 ones: 1. Save the 2005 file as ETF. 2. In Finale 2004 save a 'New document without libraries' as ETF. 3. Open the 2004 file in Notepad and copy the first 30 lines. 4. Open the 2005 file in Notepad and replace the first 30 lines with the copied ones. 5. Save the 2005 file. 6. Open it in Finale 2004. I just did this with a file that has many articulations and expressions. All appear on first perusal to be perfect. Trying this from 2004 to 2003 was problematic as layers were shifted up one number and so layer four was lost. 2005 to 2004 does not seem to have that problem. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT-Non-responsive MIDI keys
On Feb 28, 2005, at 10:11 AM, Henry Howey wrote: A couple of keys on my EDIROL PCR-31 keyboard are not making a circuit. Is there a spray or other means to (I assume) de-oxidize the contacts for a better response? -- I don't know what kind of key contacts are on the Edirol, but there are two basic kinds: metal leaf switches and rubber domes. If yours has metal leaf switches, then a spray contact cleaner (available at any electronics store) may work. You would have to open it up to expose the contacts, which may be quite a job. If you have rubber dome switches, the spray will not only not do any good, but will accelerate the decay of the rubber and might make a whole section inoperable. It's possible that the problem is electronic, rather than mechanical. There is a pattern to how the keys are laid out in the circuit board, and if a number of keys stopped working at the same time (even ones that are not adjacent) then perhaps a diode somewhere went south on you, or there is a broken solder joint. I'm handy with a solder gun and volt-ohm-milliammeter, but this one would be beyond me. Experts only at this point. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: new and improved text tool
From: d. collins My biggest fear is that MakeMusic might consider implementing them, at the expense of fixing long-broken features. my hope is that this fear is a non-issue, because MM is already dealing with issues such as EPS in PC and fixing the tuplet tool (again, but properly). of course such hopes require an ignorance of history... i'm proposing that the Text tool be overhauled in a _complete_ manner, so that they won't even have to touch it for years, and this is why i am really not interested in a partial solution, or in prioritizing specific issues in my proposal. if they attacked problems or insufficiencies with the kind of completeness i am proposing (with the help of comments received here on the list), we wouldn't have to fight amongst ourselves so often about what is a priority for fixing - and let's face it, that is the crux of most of the discussions here, not of new implementations for the programme, but of fixes that are needed (and usually long-overdue) to malfunctioning or insufficient behaviour of the programme. i have simply decided to no longer accept half-ass fixes from MM, and am therefore lobbying aggressively for what i see to be major priorities, and encourage others to do the same for their own concerns. otherwise, it's new background themes and pretty new buttons and colours for F2006, automated jingle-writing for F2007, and email or fax your score capability for F2008, and each upgrade at $100 USD a pop times n users... if something is broken, can it really be considered a feature? regards, jef -- shirling neueweise \/ new music notation specialists mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
On 28 Feb 2005 at 9:45, Allen Fisher wrote: Simple entry got an overhaul in 2k4. I've cut my note entry time by about 40% because you don't have to pick up the mouse and you can enter a bunch of other things besides notes (clef, key, time, artics, expressions...) Well, I enter notes (Speedy with MIDI keyboard) in one pass and the other things in a second pass. I *prefer* it that way, because it gives me a chance to think about things that are important to me in making my editions, such as inconsistencies in articulations/dynamics between parts. In my edition, I'll have to decide whether I'll keep the discrepancies or edit them out. If I were doing note entry and everything else all at once, I'd be dividing my attention between too many different subjects. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Another Finale shortcut (OS X)
Firstly, thanks to Hiro for the Control-Shift-F2 keyboard shortcut - I never knew that one before! Looks like Apple are sort of getting some of the Windows-Alt-key functionality, though it's not quite there yet. (For those that missed it, you press Control-Shift-F2 and the menus activate without the use of the mouse. You can tab to the appropriate menu and then press the first letter of the menu item to go to it). In case it's of use to anyone, I came across another Finale feature that I didn't know existed. If you hold down shift while activating Copy or Cut (maybe Paste as well?), a filter dialog comes up whereby you can select which note-attached or measure-attached elements you want to work with, i.e. for this edit. This can be quite handy I think as it will save having to go up to the Mass Edit menu. (Finale 2004) Matthew -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date: 28/02/2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
At 06:18 27.02.2005, you wrote: With regard to simple entry, does anyone else other than me prefer to use voices instead of layers to indicate secondary/contrapuntal musical elements? I must confess I have not used voices for maybe fifteen years or so;-) I found it so un-intuitiv(?) - I prefer layers. If I have pieces like piano music where suddenly one voice will split into two, I use layers and hidden rests. I have full control and it works logically and intuitively. But I guess there are many things in Finale that can be done differently - from entering notes (not just with different tools, also in different ways) until formatting and printout. There are also people who like lyrics mass edit, which I cannot understand since I like typing into score much better. As you like it... Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
On Feb 28, 2005, at 3:59 PM, Kurt Gnos wrote: But I guess there are many things in Finale that can be done differently - from entering notes (not just with different tools, also in different ways) until formatting and printout. There are also people who like lyrics mass edit, which I cannot understand since I like typing into score much better. The thing I don't like about typing lyrics into score is that the cursor doesn't move intelligently to the next note, instead it moves to the second of two tied notes, to rests, etc. With opt-click assignment (Mac, PC is alt-click) the lyrics all jump over the tied notes and rests intelligently to attach to the next real note. I also tend to mess up the order of the lyrics with TYpe Into Score. Bleah. If I was more organised, I might like it better. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Mail problem
On 28 Feb 2005, at 8:50 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Anybody else out there with Mail can confirm? This only applies to your most recent message, not the first one. This has been a problem for me with a number of people using AOL mail. I can only reply to their messages if they haven't quoted anybody. If their message contains a quote, then the reply button doesn't work. This is a very strange glitch -- not sure what's causes it -- but so far I've only run into it when replying to people with AOL addresses. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Mail problem
On Feb 28, 2005, at 5:49 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 28 Feb 2005, at 8:50 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Anybody else out there with Mail can confirm? This only applies to your most recent message, not the first one. This has been a problem for me with a number of people using AOL mail. I can only reply to their messages if they haven't quoted anybody. If their message contains a quote, then the reply button doesn't work. This is a very strange glitch -- not sure what's causes it -- but so far I've only run into it when replying to people with AOL addresses. - Darcy Thanks Darcy! Your response prompted me to embark on a search, and I found this answer on the Apple discussions: Allan Sampson1 Level 4 inline: webx.gif Joined: May, 2003 Posts: 7268 San Antonio, Texas This is a problem when replying to or forwarding a message recieved from an AOL user with a Windows AOL Optimized version. With the message open and before replying to or forwarding the message, at the menu bar go to View > Message and select Plain Text Alternative. This should resolve the problem. Me again. Wacky! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Another Finale shortcut (OS X)
On Feb 28, 2005, at 12:30 PM, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote: In case it's of use to anyone, I came across another Finale feature that I didn't know existed. If you hold down shift while activating Copy or Cut (maybe Paste as well?), a filter dialog comes up whereby you can select which note-attached or measure-attached elements you want to work with, i.e. for this edit. This can be quite handy I think as it will save having to go up to the Mass Edit menu. (Finale 2004) Matthew Dear Matthew et al, This has become an essential piece of information since the copyable staff lists in 2005 (whose workings I have yet to fathom). If you do not use this Shift/C command, you end up with extraneous score expressions all over the place, and they come form anywhere in the score, even if you copy from one extracted part to another. Let me make that clear: you have a score expression in part A; you copy from part B into part C, and score expressions from part A appear gratuitously in part C (along with extra copies of all the score expressions in part B). I can't figure out why that happens, but you can avoid it by using the Shift/C dialog and selecting only what you want to copy. The only shortcoming I find to using this method is that there is no way to copy measure attached smart shapes along with the entries, so you loose hairpins when copying from part to part - something of an irritation, in my book. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: Mail problem, was Re: [Finale] Playback of Dotted 8th/16th as Standard Swing
I've had that very same problem! I can close the mail program and reopen without rebooting the system and all the reply windows I clicked pop open after load up of mail. I thought I was the only one seeing that problem! On Feb 28, 2005, at 8:50 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Feb 28, 2005, at 8:41 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: In a message dated 02/28/2005 12:42:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Part of the problem is the notation you are dealing with; writing swing rhythms as dotted-eighth/sixteenth is a very old notation, and you almost never see it any more in modern works. Unless the arranger or One more thing I forgot to mention, unrelated to your problem. In Mail in Mac OSX, I can't reply to your message! The reply window refuses to come up through command-r or the Reply item in the mene, and I ended up copying your text, address and subject into a new message. It's only YOUR message; other messages reply fine. The behaviour is identical even after restarting Mail, and after rebooting my Mac. However, after restarting Mail, I see all the attempts I made to reply, but without quoted text. Weird, or what? Anybody else out there with Mail can confirm? This only applies to your most recent message, not the first one. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
