[Finale] More Quickeys problems
I think I am going to give up on Quickeys. There are so many problems... 1) When I try to record a complex macro in Finale, Quickeys regularly crashes. 2) I am trying to get a Macro to select a popup menu item in the Frame Attributes Dialog. I am trying to change a textblock from Single Page to Page Range. Either this doesn't work at all, or, if it does work, for some reason the second page range text field doesn't become active. I am sure this is partly Finale's fault, but it has already taken me almost a day now, without success. 3) Although not as bad as iKey2, the user interface isn't exactly wonderful either. 4) The editor is so slow. 5) Programming complex macros is actually more fiddle than with iKey 2. Unless someone can tell me the solutions to all of this I am going to go back to iKey. I have to decide whether I want to put up with the iKey2 UI or reprogram my macros in iKey 1, but either seems to be better than Quickeys. Programming the complex macro I am currently trying in Quickeys took me about half an hour in iKey 2. It's pretty sad, since Quickeys can obviously do much more (ie it has variables which I would like to use). Nothing I have seen on OS X even comes close to what OneClick could do in OS 9. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Duplicate Hairpins
on 3/7/05 10:16 PM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So -- any ideas (1) what is causing these duplicate hairpins to occur, and (2) is there any reasonable way of getting rid of them? I'm not about to go through an existing document and try dragging each individual hairpin to see if there's an identical one underneath. Darcy, The first act of the score I'm working on had 1000s of duplicate smart shapes, including hairpins. I deduced it back to simple copy and paste. If you C/P, not the option-click method, Finale will leave the SS in the target measure and add in any new ones coming from the source. I assembled about 10 Finale files into one score and did a ton of C/P in the process, using the normal routine and Mass Mover. My feeling is that is does make the file bloated, in my case, the final score came in at nearly 4MB, which is huge for Finale. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR http://www.thomastudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** I'm desperately trying to figure out why Kamikaze pilots wore helmets. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: GPO on Mac mini
Darcy, I forgot to ask. Did you try moving GPO to separate volume/disk to see if it improves your problem? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Duplicate Hairpins
On Mar 8, 2005, at 9:01 AM, JD wrote: on 3/7/05 10:16 PM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So -- any ideas (1) what is causing these duplicate hairpins to occur, and (2) is there any reasonable way of getting rid of them? I'm not about to go through an existing document and try dragging each individual hairpin to see if there's an identical one underneath. Darcy, The first act of the score I'm working on had 1000s of duplicate smart shapes, including hairpins. I deduced it back to simple copy and paste. If you C/P, not the option-click method, Finale will leave the SS in the target measure and add in any new ones coming from the source. I assembled about 10 Finale files into one score and did a ton of C/P in the process, using the normal routine and Mass Mover. My feeling is that is does make the file bloated, in my case, the final score came in at nearly 4MB, which is huge for Finale. Darcy, On occasion I implode a passage, re-voice it, then explode it back to its original staves. If the articulations were already attached, then my imploded staff has five articulations on every note, showing shadows where I might have nudged one. The way I get around this is to set Mass Edit to copy only articulations, and copy from one of the original staves that only has one articulation to my imploded staff. Then I can safely explode and every exploded staff only has one accent, like they are supposed to. The reason I mention this is you may have a similar procedure available for Smart Shapes. If you go through and delete duplicates from ONE staff, then clear the hairpins from all the others, you can copy them relatively painlessly from the clean staff you created. To delete hairpins easily, I drag one off a bit (this will be the one I keep) drag around the handles for the others to make sure I select ALL of them, hit delete, then drag my saved one back into position again. The smart shapes duplicate every time you perform a drag and drop copy, or a command-c command-v copy and paste, unless you have specifically set the Mass Edit not to copy these items. This is the same effect that occurs with staff expressions, like rehearsal letters. They get duplicated all over the friggin' place. Fortunately, they are easier to deal with. When I drag one away and delete the others (as I described above) I only have to hit Clear to restore the default positioning of the one remaining expression. You don't have this option with hairpins. Does anyone else have these issues with the new copy behaviour? I hate it passionately. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] More Quickeys problems
1) When I try to record a complex macro in Finale, Quickeys regularly crashes. Doesn't happen to me, I have it do all manner of things and it has never, never crashed, even during the longest macros. -- Simon Troup Digital Music Art - Finale IRC channel server: irc.chatspike.net port: 6667 channel: #Finale - ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] More Quickeys problems
Johannes, Why were you using iKey 2? It has almost no added functionality over iKey 1. If you don't need a macro program that can test for the states of menu items, as in checked or unchecked, or for variables iKey 1 will work for you, and costs a fraction of Quickeys. steve On Mar 8, 2005, at 7:25 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I think I am going to give up on Quickeys. There are so many problems... 1) When I try to record a complex macro in Finale, Quickeys regularly crashes. 2) I am trying to get a Macro to select a popup menu item in the Frame Attributes Dialog. I am trying to change a textblock from Single Page to Page Range. Either this doesn't work at all, or, if it does work, for some reason the second page range text field doesn't become active. I am sure this is partly Finale's fault, but it has already taken me almost a day now, without success. 3) Although not as bad as iKey2, the user interface isn't exactly wonderful either. 4) The editor is so slow. 5) Programming complex macros is actually more fiddle than with iKey 2. Unless someone can tell me the solutions to all of this I am going to go back to iKey. I have to decide whether I want to put up with the iKey2 UI or reprogram my macros in iKey 1, but either seems to be better than Quickeys. Programming the complex macro I am currently trying in Quickeys took me about half an hour in iKey 2. It's pretty sad, since Quickeys can obviously do much more (ie it has variables which I would like to use). Nothing I have seen on OS X even comes close to what OneClick could do in OS 9. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] More Quickeys problems
In the recording tab in the preferences, do you have Do exhaustive... checked or unchecked? Johannes Simon Troup wrote: 1) When I try to record a complex macro in Finale, Quickeys regularly crashes. Doesn't happen to me, I have it do all manner of things and it has never, never crashed, even during the longest macros. -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Replace specific pitches
Hi all, I'm working on an algorithmic piece, and need to move all of certain pitches in certain octaves. TGTools can move entire pitch classes. Is there a plugin or filter that can take, say, all A3s and make them A4s? (FinWin2K3) Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Extend secondary beams
I don't see a way to extend secondary beams, either independently (eg extending a 16th note beam) or in conjunction with the outer beam. Thanks for any help, John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Replace specific pitches
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 11:57:03 -0500, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Hi all, I'm working on an algorithmic piece, and need to move all of certain pitches in certain octaves. TGTools can move entire pitch classes. Is there a plugin or filter that can take, say, all A3s and make them A4s? (FinWin2K3) I don't know how to do this in Finale, but Cakewalk's sequencing software (Sonar, Pro Audio, etc.) has an Interpolate function that can get that specific. Interpolate can search and replace elements by pitch (all in a pitch class or a range of pitches), duration, etc. If it's an option to work on this piece in a sequencer before bringing it over to Finale for layout, this might work for you (provided that you don't have a lot of septuplet-type rhythms that'll import wierdly). -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Life would be so much easier if only (3/2)^12=(2/1)^7. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Bass Trombone (Brass Band)
Ray and I are both bass trombone players;-) The reason was that (as Ray noted) the traditional British Bass band bass trombone was an instrument pitched in G. ALL of the instruments in BB are transposing. The only reason (I believe) was the difficulty of people who lived in B-flat and E-flat to do a G transposing treble clef. I say this as one who (for three years) made part of his living playing the bass herald trumpet made by Boosey and Hawkes for the coronation of the present queen in 195X. It was pitched in G; however, I only read a G treble part supplied by my arranger colleagues from the United States Army Band. -- Henry Howey, D.M.A. Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/~music/faculty/howey.html Owner of FINALE Discussion List ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] More Quickeys problems
Nothing I have seen on OS X even comes close to what OneClick could do in OS 9. I don't know OneClick very well but I don't think it had logic and variables. QK3 is very powerful and so there is a bit of a learning curve (just like Finale). As in Finale, QK3 allows you to do the same thing in many different ways. Sometimes it is frustrating learning the best approach but over time you will be as comfortable with QK as you are with Finale. You don't know OneClick very well. OneClick was a complete programming language for macros. Of course it had variables, of course it had logic. It was 1000 times more powerful than Quickeys X. And it was easier to use, as well. And fast, including the editor. I have already pretty much decided against Quickeys. It doesn't offer that much more than iKey to justify more than 3 times the price. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] More Quickeys problems
Steve Gibons wrote: Johannes, Why were you using iKey 2? It has almost no added functionality over iKey 1. If you don't need a macro program that can test for the states of menu items, as in checked or unchecked, or for variables iKey 1 will work for you, and costs a fraction of Quickeys. The reason I am on iKey 2 is because when I registered it had just come out. After I had it installed there seems to be no way to go back without having to reprogram all macros. A lot of time has already gone into them, so since I may have to reprogram them anyway I wanted to see whether QKs is better. The problem with iKey is this: The author doesn't really seem to understand the concerns about iKey 2. So iKey 2 is the direction it's going to go. What am I going to do if Tiger destroys iKey 1 compatibility? It is very unlikely that iKey 1 will be updated for any future incompatibilities. So then I will have to go iKey 2 anyway. This is a real dilemma. Actually, I could really do with both variables _and_ checking the state of menu items. Johannes Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Replace specific pitches
At 09:10 AM 3/8/05 -0800, Brad Beyenhof wrote: I don't know how to do this in Finale, but Cakewalk's sequencing software (Sonar, Pro Audio, etc.) has an Interpolate function Thanks, Brad, yes, I use that often in Sonar. But this is in score format now, where I've been working on a re-orchestration. Being 970 measures, it's, um, laborious to do by hand. :( Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Replace specific pitches
Have you tried note mover? It has a search and replace function that *might* get what you're after... On 3/8/05 11:10 AM, Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 11:57:03 -0500, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Hi all, I'm working on an algorithmic piece, and need to move all of certain pitches in certain octaves. TGTools can move entire pitch classes. Is there a plugin or filter that can take, say, all A3s and make them A4s? (FinWin2K3) I don't know how to do this in Finale, but Cakewalk's sequencing software (Sonar, Pro Audio, etc.) has an Interpolate function that can get that specific. Interpolate can search and replace elements by pitch (all in a pitch class or a range of pitches), duration, etc. If it's an option to work on this piece in a sequencer before bringing it over to Finale for layout, this might work for you (provided that you don't have a lot of septuplet-type rhythms that'll import wierdly). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] More Quickeys problems
In the recording tab in the preferences, do you have Do exhaustive... checked or unchecked? Unchecked. With regard to popup menus, when recording macros, do everything as though you were in slow motion. Hold the popup menu selection for a second before selecting, don't click ok for a second after it's selected, when you do click OK, hold it down for a second before you let go. This gives quickeys the best possible chance of seeing what you're doing. I've had little trouble since doing things this way. Always make sure the weird green shaded focus effect is with you! -- Simon Troup Digital Music Art - Finale IRC channel server: irc.chatspike.net port: 6667 channel: #Finale - ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Replace specific pitches
At 11:21 AM 3/8/05 -0600, Allen Fisher wrote: Have you tried note mover? It has a search and replace function that *might* get what you're after... O! Brilliant! With a staff set programmed to show just the staff in question, it works! And I always thought Note Mover only applied to single measures. Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bass Trombone (Brass Band)
From: Henry Howey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ray and I are both bass trombone players;-) The reason was that (as Ray noted) the traditional British Bass band bass trombone was an instrument pitched in G. ALL of the instruments in BB are transposing. The only reason (I believe) was the difficulty of people who lived in B-flat and E-flat to do a G transposing treble clef. I say this as one who (for three years) made part of his living playing the bass herald trumpet made by Boosey and Hawkes for the coronation of the present queen in 195X. It was pitched in G; however, I only read a G treble part supplied by my arranger colleagues from the United States Army Band. -- The G bass herald trumpet wasn't made for any specific coronation. It was/is a standard element in British pageantry. Most often heard in the opening fanfares of military displays/tattoos played by members from all of the bands involved in the actual show. Besson/Boosey Hawkes apparently have cancelled the production of these fanfare trumpets, which came in Eb sopranino, Bb soprano and tenor, plus the G bass version. At least a high level BH employee referred me to a certain Manchester repairman for second hand samples. However I got my specimen from eBay. A well made instrument and quite a player, if one takes its narrow scope of its intended usage into consideration. I happen to have a soft spot regarding brasses in G. The last time I counted, I had 8 of them including fine samples from Alexander, King, Kanstul, Hawkes, Besson, and BH. End of boasting mode. Klaus ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] More Quickeys problems
I have already pretty much decided against Quickeys. It doesn't offer that much more than iKey to justify more than 3 times the price. I know it's expensive, but for me the only calculation was is it worth $99 or whatever for the time it saves me. For me the answer is a resounding yes. Mind you, I've been using it since it was released way, way back, and so have only ever paid upgrade prices ever since. I'd encourage you to stick with it Johannes, it took me a week to get my head how to make it work best on my system - since that time I've moved from time defecit to time = money profit, hand over fist. -- Simon Troup Digital Music Art - Finale IRC channel server: irc.chatspike.net port: 6667 channel: #Finale - ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: OT: Bass Trombone (Brass Band)
It is important to realise, that the British brass band movement never was mainly about music. It always was a social vehicle, where music happened to be the topic of the gatherings. As an American not very familiar with the British brass band tradition your collective insights are very much appreciated. Joe - Joe Laird Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Extend secondary beams
John Roberts wrote: I don't see a way to extend secondary beams, either independently (eg extending a 16th note beam) or in conjunction with the outer beam. Thanks for any help, John I believe there isn't a way of doing this. This is one of my constant annoyances, that Finale's way of breaking secondary beams over rests is horrid and unchangable. I've always resorted to carefully placing lines of the appropriate thickness, once everything else is in position. Not good. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Extend secondary beams
At 12:06 PM 03/08/2005, John Roberts wrote: I don't see a way to extend secondary beams, either independently (eg extending a 16th note beam) or in conjunction with the outer beam. Under Special Tools, select the Beam Extension Tool, and click the measure in question. Handles appear on beamed notes. If you double-click on a handle, you get a dialog allowing you to select which beams attached to the handle you want to affect. So for example, if you have eighth, eighth rest, sixteenth and you want to adjust the little sixteenth note flag, double-click the handle and make sure that only 16th is checked. Then move the handle, and the beam will adjust. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Extend secondary beams
Aaron Sherber wrote: At 12:06 PM 03/08/2005, John Roberts wrote: I don't see a way to extend secondary beams, either independently (eg extending a 16th note beam) or in conjunction with the outer beam. Under Special Tools, select the Beam Extension Tool, and click the measure in question. Handles appear on beamed notes. If you double-click on a handle, you get a dialog allowing you to select which beams attached to the handle you want to affect. So for example, if you have eighth, eighth rest, sixteenth and you want to adjust the little sixteenth note flag, double-click the handle and make sure that only 16th is checked. Then move the handle, and the beam will adjust. Aaron. I stand corrected! My moaning reply was evidently about something slightly separate... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Extend secondary beams
At 01:49 PM 03/08/2005, John Roberts wrote: But it doesn't seem to help extend the interior end of secondary beams. If I have, say, an eighth note beamed to a 16th triplet, with a rest on the first note of the triplet - I'd like to extend the interior beam of the triplet to cover the rest. Yes, I believe you're right -- though maybe someone else knows otherwise. I suppose I would do this with the custom line tool, which I think is what Owain also suggested. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Extend secondary beams
On Mar 8, 2005, at 1:49 PM, John Roberts wrote: If I have, say, an eighth note beamed to a 16th triplet, with a rest on the first note of the triplet - I'd like to extend the interior beam of the triplet to cover the rest. I would do this with layers and overlapping beams. Create the whole figure in one layer, with normal beams, then create a unison of the triplet only in another layer, make sure the beams overlap perfectly, then extend both beams of the triplet. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT -- Sarrusophone
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: Where's John Philip Sarusa when we need him!? Grove concise says that the family of instruments (sopranino to contrabass) was indeed invented by a French army bandmaster, in 1856, but his name was Sarrus. -- Ken Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: http://www.mooremusic.org.uk/ I reject emails 100k automatically: warn me beforehand if you want to send one ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Extend secondary beams
Thank you Andrew. That will do it. John On 3/8/05 4:56 PM, Andrew Stiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 8, 2005, at 1:49 PM, John Roberts wrote: If I have, say, an eighth note beamed to a 16th triplet, with a rest on the first note of the triplet - I'd like to extend the interior beam of the triplet to cover the rest. I would do this with layers and overlapping beams. Create the whole figure in one layer, with normal beams, then create a unison of the triplet only in another layer, make sure the beams overlap perfectly, then extend both beams of the triplet. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Extend secondary beams
Nice workaround - I'll be using that myself. Thanks! John Roberts wrote: Thank you Andrew. That will do it. John On 3/8/05 4:56 PM, Andrew Stiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 8, 2005, at 1:49 PM, John Roberts wrote: If I have, say, an eighth note beamed to a 16th triplet, with a rest on the first note of the triplet - I'd like to extend the interior beam of the triplet to cover the rest. I would do this with layers and overlapping beams. Create the whole figure in one layer, with normal beams, then create a unison of the triplet only in another layer, make sure the beams overlap perfectly, then extend both beams of the triplet. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: Best Works of the 1920s
Just taking a little straw poll here: what do listers consider the best pieces of music to come out of the 1920's? Genre is unimportant -- go ahead and nominate Tin Pan Alley songs and Jelly Roll Morton pieces alongside serial works, if you like. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: GPO on Mac mini
So I did a bit more homework. It seems it works better if you leave long samples such as piano in DFD mode. RAM-based, such as GPO works in RAM because each sample is small, but it is still not ideal when it comes to a big score like Darcy's. More the instruments, you will need streaming. I also found GPO's competitor, EWQLSO which also use NI player works fine with DFD mode, and some people thinks the fact GPO doesn't work well under DFD mode is a deal breaker. For me, looking for upcoming jazz instrument sets, the rumor sez EWQLSO is also putting it up against Garritan. Interesting. Competition is good for us :-) Is anyone using EWQLSO with Finale? It would be great if we could do comparison with GPO. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Best Works of the 1920s
Darcy James Argue wrote: Just taking a little straw poll here: what do listers consider the best pieces of music to come out of the 1920's? Genre is unimportant -- go ahead and nominate Tin Pan Alley songs and Jelly Roll Morton pieces alongside serial works, if you like. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Ouch, it's a tricky time to picl favourites, but one composer had hes 'Decade Terribles', Varese - Ameriques, Integrales, Octandre, Arcana. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Best Works of the 1920s
On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:53:21 -0500, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just taking a little straw poll here: what do listers consider the best pieces of music to come out of the 1920's? Genre is unimportant -- go ahead and nominate Tin Pan Alley songs and Jelly Roll Morton pieces alongside serial works, if you like. My favorite piece from that decade is, without a doubt, Schoenberg's Opus 25 Kavierstuecke. Especially the Gavotte. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Life would be so much easier if only (3/2)^12=(2/1)^7. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Best Works of the 1920s
On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 16:19:09 -0800, Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 18:53:21 -0500, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just taking a little straw poll here: what do listers consider the best pieces of music to come out of the 1920's? Genre is unimportant -- go ahead and nominate Tin Pan Alley songs and Jelly Roll Morton pieces alongside serial works, if you like. My favorite piece from that decade is, without a doubt, Schoenberg's Opus 25 Kavierstuecke. Especially the Gavotte. err, of course I meant to type Klavierstuecke. Or Klavierstücke, if you want, or even Piano Pieces if you're so inclined. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Life would be so much easier if only (3/2)^12=(2/1)^7. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Best Works of the 1920s
I'll take you at your word here. For me it's a toss-up between Berg's Lyric Suite and Bix's solo in Singin' the Blues. John On 8 Mar 2005, at 23:53, Darcy James Argue wrote: Just taking a little straw poll here: what do listers consider the best pieces of music to come out of the 1920's? Genre is unimportant -- go ahead and nominate Tin Pan Alley songs and Jelly Roll Morton pieces alongside serial works, if you like. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Best Works of the 1920s
On Mar 8, 2005, at 3:53 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Just taking a little straw poll here: what do listers consider the best pieces of music to come out of the 1920's? Genre is unimportant -- go ahead and nominate Tin Pan Alley songs and Jelly Roll Morton pieces alongside serial works, if you like. My vote goes for Puccini's Turandot, with second place to Rhapsody in Blue. Not quite serial nor Tin Pan Alley, but obliquely related in each case I may change my mind if someone reminds me of some great piece I'm forgetting, but most of my favorites turn out to be from 1910-1919. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] GPO
I have the advantage of a brand new Mac with 4G RAM. I have the disadvantage of being hopelessly ignorant about midi. I've just installed GPO but so far have been unable to get Finale to recognise it. When I go to Midi Output Device, all I can see is my midi interface. I'd be enormously grateful for any advice. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Best Works of the 1920s
My vote goes to Respighi's Pines of Rome followed closely by Show Boat by Jerome Kern and Oscar Hammerstein II. Guy Hayden - Original Message - From: Mark D Lew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Best Works of the 1920s On Mar 8, 2005, at 3:53 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Just taking a little straw poll here: what do listers consider the best pieces of music to come out of the 1920's? Genre is unimportant -- go ahead and nominate Tin Pan Alley songs and Jelly Roll Morton pieces alongside serial works, if you like. My vote goes for Puccini's Turandot, with second place to Rhapsody in Blue. Not quite serial nor Tin Pan Alley, but obliquely related in each case I may change my mind if someone reminds me of some great piece I'm forgetting, but most of my favorites turn out to be from 1910-1919. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Best Works of the 1920s
Darcy James Argue wrote: Just taking a little straw poll here: what do listers consider the best pieces of music to come out of the 1920's? Genre is unimportant -- go ahead and nominate Tin Pan Alley songs and Jelly Roll Morton pieces alongside serial works, if you like. - Darcy Stravinsky: Symphonies of Wind Instruments (1920), Pulchinella (1919-20) Ives: Orchestral Set Nr. 2 (rev. ca. 1925) Antheil: Ballet méchanique (1927) Bartok: Dance Suite (1923), String Quartet Nr. 4 (1928) Cowell: The Banshee (1925) Milhaud: Six Petites Symphonies Puccini: Turandot (-1924, compl. 1926) Sibelius: Sinfonia 7 (1924), Tapiola (1926) Varese: Hyperprism (1922-3), Ionization (1929-31) Webern: Three Lieder, for voice, E flat clarinet and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitarguitar, opus 18 (1925 Daniel Wolf ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] GPO
John, Finale connects to GPO via the GPO Studio...have you installed the GPO Studio? If you haven't, you must...the GPO Studio will then appear as a MIDI out device. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of John Bell Sent: Tue 08-Mar-05 20:30 To: finale@shsu.edu Cc: Subject: [Finale] GPO I have the advantage of a brand new Mac with 4G RAM. I have the disadvantage of being hopelessly ignorant about midi. I've just installed GPO but so far have been unable to get Finale to recognise it. When I go to Midi Output Device, all I can see is my midi interface. I'd be enormously grateful for any advice. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale winmail.dat___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO
Jim, thank you so much for taking the trouble to reply. I have now installed Personal Orchestra Studio but when I try to open it I get an error message: VST Directory does not exist!!! (their exclamations not mine). Finale can now see GPO so there is some progress. But in the Instrument list all I see is the old GM patches as before. John On 9 Mar 2005, at 02:26, Williams, Jim wrote: John, Finale connects to GPO via the GPO Studio...have you installed the GPO Studio? If you haven't, you must...the GPO Studio will then appear as a MIDI out device. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of John Bell Sent: Tue 08-Mar-05 20:30 To: finale@shsu.edu Cc: Subject: [Finale] GPO I have the advantage of a brand new Mac with 4G RAM. I have the disadvantage of being hopelessly ignorant about midi. I've just installed GPO but so far have been unable to get Finale to recognise it. When I go to Midi Output Device, all I can see is my midi interface. I'd be enormously grateful for any advice. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale winmail.dat___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] help! preferences trashed?
Thanks Darcy, I think what was in the Finale folder is actually references to how finale uses the fonts with its libraries. Archive and install only put the fonts in the Font Book application, not into my home library or system libraries or anywhere else I could find. I moved the preferences into the Finale folder and did a custom reinstall of the fonts from my 2004 CD. Don't have the 2004c update anymore, I think I lost it in my hard drive crash last spring, and MakeMusic no longer offers it on their web site. But for now the fonts at least seem to be working. Thanks for helping, Johannes and Darcy. Bonnie On Mar 7, 2005, at 4:34 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Bonnie, As Johannes said, your Finale fonts definitely don't belong in your Finale folder. Once again, I really recommend that you just reinstall Finale completely (but don't forget to update to the latest version, which for you I think is Fin2004c). It will save you much time and frustration. This isn't a preferences problem, this is a problem with your Finale fonts not being located in the correct folder. If you are also having the problem with the Classic version, you will need to reinstall the Classic version as well. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 07 Mar 2005, at 8:05 PM, Bonnie Harris wrote: Johannes, thanks for reply. Newly installed Mac OS 10.3.2. Finale 2004, Mac G5. Panther install scrambled my Finale fonts. I used to run Finale on both Classic and 10.2., and I also have an old version FinMac2002 installed. Not sure if problem is preferences related or not. When I search for Maestro Font for instance, it shows up only in Mac HD/Applications/Finale 2004 and 2002/Libraries or in Previous System/Libraries (saved by 10.3.2 Archive and Install process). Tech support at OWC and the Panther info from The Missing Manual recommend try trashing the preference file (leaving it in the trash) and restarting, then reinstall program if that fails. I'd rather not do that if it's only a font moving or font installation problem. I may try Darcy's suggestion first, if I can find the preferences file. So far all I can find is 2002 prefs. And a bunch of scattered prefs that seem to be pieces of 2004. If that doesn't work with preferences I'll try a custom install of Finale fonts. I assume that option would be on my 2004 installer disk, tho I think I upgraded with a download at some point, so I'll have to look for that. That 's the only reason not to just reinstall the whole program, perhaps. thanks for advice! Thank Mac Gurus I cloned my hard drive before I did all this! I can still run from external drive. Bonnie On Mar 7, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I think there is some serious confusion going on here. Finale fonts should definitely not be in the Finale folder. However, before you start moving things around please make sure you know what you are doing. That also applies to other things. Fonts should be inside the fonts folders, which are at various places in the system. It's probably best to run the Finale installer to install these. What do you mean by previous system file? And most importantly, which System version are we talking about? Archive and Install sounds like OS X, while System file sounds like OS 9. The problem with your fonts is definitely _not_ a problem with the preference file. Please be careful... Johannes Bonnie Harris wrote: Archived directory being the previous system file? I see a lot of stuff like my midi driver and firmware in there that did not make it into the new system file; do I just drag or copy them into the same places in the new system file? Finale fonts appear to be in place in the Finale 2004 folder, but they are not working correctly. Thanks if you can help. Bonnie On Mar 7, 2005, at 10:28 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Bonnie Harris / 05.3.7 / 06:04 AM wrote: Help! I just completed archive and install of Mac OS 10.3.2 and my new blank document in Finale has completely unrecognizable fonts, expressions, etc. I think the preference files must have been trashed? The old non-native pref are archived. You can find them in the archived directory. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] help! preferences trashed?
Thanks Darcy, Apologies if I double posted! Panther seems to have trashed a few of my mail preferences as well. I think what was in the Finale folder is actually references to how finale uses the fonts with its libraries. Archive and install only put the fonts in the Font Book application, not into my home library or system libraries or anywhere else I could find. I moved the preferences into the Finale folder and did a custom reinstall of the fonts from my 2004 CD. Don't have the 2004c update anymore, I think I lost it in my hard drive crash last spring, and MakeMusic no longer offers it on their web site. But for now the fonts at least seem to be working. Thanks for helping, Johannes and Darcy. Bonnie On Mar 7, 2005, at 4:34 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Bonnie, As Johannes said, your Finale fonts definitely don't belong in your Finale folder. Once again, I really recommend that you just reinstall Finale completely (but don't forget to update to the latest version, which for you I think is Fin2004c). It will save you much time and frustration. This isn't a preferences problem, this is a problem with your Finale fonts not being located in the correct folder. If you are also having the problem with the Classic version, you will need to reinstall the Classic version as well. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 07 Mar 2005, at 8:05 PM, Bonnie Harris wrote: Johannes, thanks for reply. Newly installed Mac OS 10.3.2. Finale 2004, Mac G5. Panther install scrambled my Finale fonts. I used to run Finale on both Classic and 10.2., and I also have an old version FinMac2002 installed. Not sure if problem is preferences related or not. When I search for Maestro Font for instance, it shows up only in Mac HD/Applications/Finale 2004 and 2002/Libraries or in Previous System/Libraries (saved by 10.3.2 Archive and Install process). Tech support at OWC and the Panther info from The Missing Manual recommend try trashing the preference file (leaving it in the trash) and restarting, then reinstall program if that fails. I'd rather not do that if it's only a font moving or font installation problem. I may try Darcy's suggestion first, if I can find the preferences file. So far all I can find is 2002 prefs. And a bunch of scattered prefs that seem to be pieces of 2004. If that doesn't work with preferences I'll try a custom install of Finale fonts. I assume that option would be on my 2004 installer disk, tho I think I upgraded with a download at some point, so I'll have to look for that. That 's the only reason not to just reinstall the whole program, perhaps. thanks for advice! Thank Mac Gurus I cloned my hard drive before I did all this! I can still run from external drive. Bonnie On Mar 7, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I think there is some serious confusion going on here. Finale fonts should definitely not be in the Finale folder. However, before you start moving things around please make sure you know what you are doing. That also applies to other things. Fonts should be inside the fonts folders, which are at various places in the system. It's probably best to run the Finale installer to install these. What do you mean by previous system file? And most importantly, which System version are we talking about? Archive and Install sounds like OS X, while System file sounds like OS 9. The problem with your fonts is definitely _not_ a problem with the preference file. Please be careful... Johannes Bonnie Harris wrote: Archived directory being the previous system file? I see a lot of stuff like my midi driver and firmware in there that did not make it into the new system file; do I just drag or copy them into the same places in the new system file? Finale fonts appear to be in place in the Finale 2004 folder, but they are not working correctly. Thanks if you can help. Bonnie On Mar 7, 2005, at 10:28 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Bonnie Harris / 05.3.7 / 06:04 AM wrote: Help! I just completed archive and install of Mac OS 10.3.2 and my new blank document in Finale has completely unrecognizable fonts, expressions, etc. I think the preference files must have been trashed? The old non-native pref are archived. You can find them in the archived directory. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] help! preferences trashed?
Finale usually keeps the updates for each version as available downloads on the website. I just checked, and the Finale (Mac) 2004c Updater is definitely there. John On 3/8/05 10:29 PM, Bonnie Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Darcy, Apologies if I double posted! Panther seems to have trashed a few of my mail preferences as well. I think what was in the Finale folder is actually references to how finale uses the fonts with its libraries. Archive and install only put the fonts in the Font Book application, not into my home library or system libraries or anywhere else I could find. I moved the preferences into the Finale folder and did a custom reinstall of the fonts from my 2004 CD. Don't have the 2004c update anymore, I think I lost it in my hard drive crash last spring, and MakeMusic no longer offers it on their web site. But for now the fonts at least seem to be working. Thanks for helping, Johannes and Darcy. Bonnie On Mar 7, 2005, at 4:34 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Bonnie, As Johannes said, your Finale fonts definitely don't belong in your Finale folder. Once again, I really recommend that you just reinstall Finale completely (but don't forget to update to the latest version, which for you I think is Fin2004c). It will save you much time and frustration. This isn't a preferences problem, this is a problem with your Finale fonts not being located in the correct folder. If you are also having the problem with the Classic version, you will need to reinstall the Classic version as well. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 07 Mar 2005, at 8:05 PM, Bonnie Harris wrote: Johannes, thanks for reply. Newly installed Mac OS 10.3.2. Finale 2004, Mac G5. Panther install scrambled my Finale fonts. I used to run Finale on both Classic and 10.2., and I also have an old version FinMac2002 installed. Not sure if problem is preferences related or not. When I search for Maestro Font for instance, it shows up only in Mac HD/Applications/Finale 2004 and 2002/Libraries or in Previous System/Libraries (saved by 10.3.2 Archive and Install process). Tech support at OWC and the Panther info from The Missing Manual recommend try trashing the preference file (leaving it in the trash) and restarting, then reinstall program if that fails. I'd rather not do that if it's only a font moving or font installation problem. I may try Darcy's suggestion first, if I can find the preferences file. So far all I can find is 2002 prefs. And a bunch of scattered prefs that seem to be pieces of 2004. If that doesn't work with preferences I'll try a custom install of Finale fonts. I assume that option would be on my 2004 installer disk, tho I think I upgraded with a download at some point, so I'll have to look for that. That 's the only reason not to just reinstall the whole program, perhaps. thanks for advice! Thank Mac Gurus I cloned my hard drive before I did all this! I can still run from external drive. Bonnie On Mar 7, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I think there is some serious confusion going on here. Finale fonts should definitely not be in the Finale folder. However, before you start moving things around please make sure you know what you are doing. That also applies to other things. Fonts should be inside the fonts folders, which are at various places in the system. It's probably best to run the Finale installer to install these. What do you mean by previous system file? And most importantly, which System version are we talking about? Archive and Install sounds like OS X, while System file sounds like OS 9. The problem with your fonts is definitely _not_ a problem with the preference file. Please be careful... Johannes Bonnie Harris wrote: Archived directory being the previous system file? I see a lot of stuff like my midi driver and firmware in there that did not make it into the new system file; do I just drag or copy them into the same places in the new system file? Finale fonts appear to be in place in the Finale 2004 folder, but they are not working correctly. Thanks if you can help. Bonnie On Mar 7, 2005, at 10:28 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Bonnie Harris / 05.3.7 / 06:04 AM wrote: Help! I just completed archive and install of Mac OS 10.3.2 and my new blank document in Finale has completely unrecognizable fonts, expressions, etc. I think the preference files must have been trashed? The old non-native pref are archived. You can find them in the archived directory. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale --
RE: [Finale] GPO
John, When you installed GPO, there should have been a prompt that asked you where you wanted the program to look for the VSTs. First of all--when you installed GPO, did you install both the standalone and the VST options? If you did not install the VST version, that's your problem. You should install the VST. For us on PCs, VSTs are usually found in C:\Program Files\Steinberg\Vstplugins...not sure where they are on a Mac. If GPO is your only VST, you should point the installer to your equivalent of C:\Program Files\Garritan Personal Orchestra\VST...sorry, but I'm Mac-ignorant. First, make sure that BOTH the standalone and the VST are installed. If you did not install the VST, do so now, and tell the installer where GPO should look for the GPO VST program. I'm grading papers now--so I may be back later...Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of John Bell Sent: Tue 08-Mar-05 22:04 To: finale@shsu.edu Cc: Subject: Re: [Finale] GPO Jim, thank you so much for taking the trouble to reply. I have now installed Personal Orchestra Studio but when I try to open it I get an error message: VST Directory does not exist!!! (their exclamations not mine). Finale can now see GPO so there is some progress. But in the Instrument list all I see is the old GM patches as before. John On 9 Mar 2005, at 02:26, Williams, Jim wrote: John, Finale connects to GPO via the GPO Studio...have you installed the GPO Studio? If you haven't, you must...the GPO Studio will then appear as a MIDI out device. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of John Bell Sent: Tue 08-Mar-05 20:30 To: finale@shsu.edu Cc: Subject: [Finale] GPO I have the advantage of a brand new Mac with 4G RAM. I have the disadvantage of being hopelessly ignorant about midi. I've just installed GPO but so far have been unable to get Finale to recognise it. When I go to Midi Output Device, all I can see is my midi interface. I'd be enormously grateful for any advice. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale winmail.dat___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale winmail.dat___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Authentication schemes
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Not at all. And I've made the proposal in great detail here: http://maltedmedia.com/books/papers/sm-copyp.html The proposal has a couple of flaws, the first of which is that the whole complaint is based upon a false premise, reflected in these statements quoted from the site Commercial software is sold for a price the market will bear, under conditions the market will bear. and It makes you the victim, as a legal purchaser The flaw here, is that the phrases Commercial software is sold and legal purchaser implies that the user of a particular piece of commerical software has ownership rights in the software. While it might be true for some programs, the fact is that with respect to Finale, these is not true statements. A user of Finale acquires a non-exclusive, limited license to use the software entity under the terms of the license. The fact is that the current authentication scheme used in FIN 2k4 and 2k5 is not a restriction the user's rights a purchaser, but enforcement of limitations on use that are part and parcel of the license to which the user has agreed. I've mentioned this on the list before. Please read especially the 8-part detailed solution in the section Are There Solutions? Any company unwilling to take these basic steps is to me unethical in its behavior toward customers. As far as the 8 part detailed solution, Dennis refes to, I have the following comments 1) MakeMusic! is in compliance with item 1, as the license is published on the Finale website; 2) We have no way to know whether items 2 and 3 may, or may not be complied with; they may or may not have been. 3) There may not be a published end of life schedule, but my understanding is that support is available on all legimately installed versions, so that none of these has yet reached an end of life as defined on the website; 4) Item 5 is flawed because it refers to the non-existent class of purchasers. 5) Item 7 is already a requirement. There may be legal problems with the issue of creating an untether, and publishing it, in that I understand that Finale makes use itself of licensed code, (that is to say, that MakeMusic did not write th code themselves, but obtained the code from others; and example of such code is the installation software itself), and it may be a violation of those licenses were Makemusic! to create and publish an untether the way Dennis suggests. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Economic information of value, and a question
Friends, According to the Nasdaq website, at close of business, 8 March, 2005, Make Music share price was $5.00 per share, and the risk evaluation was average (173 on a scale where the less risky range of average was 100, and the more risky was 700.) Anyone here want to admit to owning shares? ns (Who doesn't now, but probably will buy some in the near future.) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Best Works of the 1920s
Here are a few: Bartok: The Miraculous Mandarin (1926); 4th Quartet (1928) Stravinsky: Symphonies of Wind Instruments (1920); Octet for Winds (1923); (stretch it to 1930 and we'll through in the Symphony of Psalms!) Gershwin: Rhapsody in Blue (preferably original version, not the orchestral version) (1924), An American in Paris (1928) Louis Armstrong: Hot Five and Hot Seven recordings of 1925-28 submitted by Raymond Horton Darcy James Argue wrote: Just taking a little straw poll here: what do listers consider the best pieces of music to come out of the 1920's? Genre is unimportant -- go ahead and nominate Tin Pan Alley songs and Jelly Roll Morton pieces alongside serial works, if you like. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Authentication schemes
At 09:58 PM 3/8/05 -0600, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: The flaw here, is that the phrases Commercial software is sold and legal purchaser implies that the user of a particular piece of commerical software has ownership rights in the software. Yer just dancin' Noel. Who says buy, buy, purchase, purchase, own, own, purchase, purchase, sales? Why look! http://www.finalemusic.com/store/index.asp How To Buy Decide how to buy your copy of MakeMusic! software from the three selections below: Purchase from a dealer near you: First-time buyers can purchase Finale, Finale Guitar, Allegro and PrintMusic! from any one of our authorized MakeMusic! Notation Dealers. Locate a Dealer in your area Purchase online direct from us: Already own a MakeMusic! product? Then purchase either an upgrade or learn about a special offer. Upgrades Special Offers Don't own any MakeMusic! products yet? Then purchase a full retail version of Finale, Finale Guitar, Allegro, PrintMusic!, or NotePad Plus. Purchase Notation Software Accessories Contact our Order Desk: 800.843.2066 (M-F, 8:30-5 CST) or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Best Works of the 1920s
Sol Ho'opi'I anything from his acoustic swing days. Bonus if anyone knows who this is. anything by Oscar Aleman ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Best Works of the 1920s
Sol Ho'opi'i is well known in Hawai'i, of course, as a steel guitar player. At 11:16 PM 3/8/2005 -0500, Adriel wrote: Sol Ho'opi'I anything from his acoustic swing days. Bonus if anyone knows who this is. anything by Oscar Aleman ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale - Bruce K. H. Kau[EMAIL PROTECTED] 'Aina Haina, Honolulu, Hawai'i Second star to the right, and straight on 'til morning ... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Authentication schemes
yep On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:58:36 -0600, Noel Stoutenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Not at all. And I've made the proposal in great detail here: http://maltedmedia.com/books/papers/sm-copyp.html The proposal has a couple of flaws, the first of which is that the whole complaint is based upon a false premise, reflected in these statements quoted from the site Commercial software is sold for a price the market will bear, under conditions the market will bear. and It makes you the victim, as a legal purchaser The flaw here, is that the phrases Commercial software is sold and legal purchaser implies that the user of a particular piece of commerical software has ownership rights in the software. While it might be true for some programs, the fact is that with respect to Finale, these is not true statements. A user of Finale acquires a non-exclusive, limited license to use the software entity under the terms of the license. The fact is that the current authentication scheme used in FIN 2k4 and 2k5 is not a restriction the user's rights a purchaser, but enforcement of limitations on use that are part and parcel of the license to which the user has agreed. I've mentioned this on the list before. Please read especially the 8-part detailed solution in the section Are There Solutions? Any company unwilling to take these basic steps is to me unethical in its behavior toward customers. As far as the 8 part detailed solution, Dennis refes to, I have the following comments 1) MakeMusic! is in compliance with item 1, as the license is published on the Finale website; 2) We have no way to know whether items 2 and 3 may, or may not be complied with; they may or may not have been. 3) There may not be a published end of life schedule, but my understanding is that support is available on all legimately installed versions, so that none of these has yet reached an end of life as defined on the website; 4) Item 5 is flawed because it refers to the non-existent class of purchasers. 5) Item 7 is already a requirement. There may be legal problems with the issue of creating an untether, and publishing it, in that I understand that Finale makes use itself of licensed code, (that is to say, that MakeMusic did not write th code themselves, but obtained the code from others; and example of such code is the installation software itself), and it may be a violation of those licenses were Makemusic! to create and publish an untether the way Dennis suggests. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Best Works of the 1920s
on 3/8/05 1:37 PM, Bruce K H Kau at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sol Ho'opi'i is well known in Hawai'i, of course, as a steel guitar player. Yep and he can swing too :) eeer could ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Best Works of the 1920s
Olivier Messiaen: Turangalila Symphony Per Ottar - Original Message - From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 12:53 AM Subject: [Finale] OT: Best Works of the 1920s Just taking a little straw poll here: what do listers consider the best pieces of music to come out of the 1920's? Genre is unimportant -- go ahead and nominate Tin Pan Alley songs and Jelly Roll Morton pieces alongside serial works, if you like. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] help! preferences trashed?
Oops, you're right, thanks. I must have entered a typo in the search dialogs and it came up nothing. I thought it was a little weird not to have it there. Bonnie On Mar 8, 2005, at 6:52 PM, John Roberts wrote: Finale usually keeps the updates for each version as available downloads on the website. I just checked, and the Finale (Mac) 2004c Updater is definitely there. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Authentication schemes
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Yer just dancin' Noel. Who says buy, buy, purchase, purchase, own, own, purchase, purchase, sales? Why look! http://www.finalemusic.com/store/index.asp How To Buy Decide how to buy your copy of MakeMusic! software from the three selections below: I am aware of the language used on the Finale site, but it doesn't change the fact that you are not acquiring any ownership rights in the software, but agreeing to acquire a non-exclusive permission to use the property of MakeMusic! under the terms of limits and restrictions that are an inherent part of the license you agree to when you acquire the software. Further, it gets a bit more complicated in that you do own the disk and jewel box it came in (in my case, since I got 2k5 as an upgrade), and any documentation, but not the software itself. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
