Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:32:53 -0500, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi David, Have you checked to see if you have multiple versions of the Finale fonts installed in multiple locations on your HD? It may be that you still have the old Fin2004 fonts (with the PDF issues) installed somewhere on your system. No, that's all fine. Finale 2005 was the first version of finale installed on this computer. I'll upgrade to 2005b though! David ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:22:37 -0600, Robert Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I notice David said he was on 10.3.5. That would suggest to me that he hasn't run Software Update to get to 10.3.8. (The actual OS version is available from About this Mac in the apple menu.) I don't know if this affects PDF printing, but I suppose it could. I've been on 10.3.8 for a few weeks, so the current problem (missing tuplet) occured with that version. I meant that the other files with the font substitution would have been created on 10.3.5. David ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x
On 14 Mar 2005, at 4:42 AM, David Horne wrote: Just to confirm the problem still persists in 2005b. OK, I've tried some tests and this problem seems consistent on my set up. I'd be interested to know if anyone has the same problem. If not, there's something bizarre going on at my side. Try this with OS X- create a new finale file (default document or via setup wizard)- only need one staff in any bar, create a triplet with a quaver (8th) and crotchet (quarter) (or vice versa) in one crotchet beat complile postscript listing (include all fonts) double click on the .ps file- this should open up in Preview do you see the tuplet? Yes. I used the original Maestro Default file that shipped with Finale 2005, and I used the default settings for Compile PostScript Listing (Include All Fonts is checked by default). This is with Fin2005b and OS X 10.3.8. But David, what we were suggesting was printing to PDF directly from Finale's Print dialog -- instead of compiling the .PS file, just choose Save as PDF from the Print dialog. Do you see the triplet bracket then, or not? At any rate, it sounds like there's something seriously screwy with your system, and I'd once again advise you to manually delete, then reinstall, all of your Finale fonts. Remember, one version only -- TrueType or PostScript, but not both. If the problem persists using PostScript Finale fonts, try deleting them and installing only the TrueType versions and see if that helps. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x
Works fine for me. I see the tuplet loud and clear in Preview. FinMac 2004c, G5, OS 10.3.7 Maybe it's a problem with 10.3.8? Or with Fin2005? (Have it sitting there on the shelf, but am a bit wary of changing horses in midstream..) Fiedler Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14.03.2005, at 10:42, David Horne wrote: On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:32:53 -0500, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: (clip) Try this with OS X- create a new finale file (default document or via setup wizard)- only need one staff in any bar, create a triplet with a quaver (8th) and crotchet (quarter) (or vice versa) in one crotchet beat complile postscript listing (include all fonts) double click on the .ps file- this should open up in Preview do you see the tuplet? I can't. Doesn't matter how many I enter. Oddly, in the unrealistic scenario of quaver and crotchet _rests_ within a tuplet, the tuplet is displayed. Well, if it's just on my computer, then I've got a bizarre problem... As reported, I can get round this by printing to a virtual printer, so this is not a life or death situation. David ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:15:47 -0500, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 14 Mar 2005, at 4:42 AM, David Horne wrote: Just to confirm the problem still persists in 2005b. OK, I've tried some tests and this problem seems consistent on my set up. I'd be interested to know if anyone has the same problem. If not, there's something bizarre going on at my side. Try this with OS X- create a new finale file (default document or via setup wizard)- only need one staff in any bar, create a triplet with a quaver (8th) and crotchet (quarter) (or vice versa) in one crotchet beat complile postscript listing (include all fonts) double click on the .ps file- this should open up in Preview do you see the tuplet? Yes. I used the original Maestro Default file that shipped with Finale 2005, and I used the default settings for Compile PostScript Listing (Include All Fonts is checked by default). This is with Fin2005b and OS X 10.3.8. But David, what we were suggesting was printing to PDF directly from Finale's Print dialog -- instead of compiling the .PS file, just choose Save as PDF from the Print dialog. Do you see the triplet bracket then, or not? Oh yes, fine. It's just that I don't use that feature now after the problems I had before. Printing to a virtual printer doesn't have any problems. At any rate, it sounds like there's something seriously screwy with your system, and I'd once again advise you to manually delete, then reinstall, all of your Finale fonts. Remember, one version only -- TrueType or PostScript, but not both. If the problem persists using PostScript Finale fonts, try deleting them and installing only the TrueType versions and see if that helps. OK- I'll give this a try later. I'm leaving on a trip now, but will report back when I have a chance to fix this. David Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x
Just one final thing before I go! :) When I create similar (i.e. combination of quaver and crotchet triplets) _non_ engraver tuplets, the problem doesn't arise. Very strange. Ah, well, looks like I'm the only one experiencing this oddity- what on earth could be causing this on my system though. Is that really a font issue? (Also, tuplets on rests are fine.) David ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure spacing handles
Just to make you feel less bad, I hadn't noticed this option before, it was turned off in my installation, and I am pretty sure it is new. I am not sure though, whether this option is really what you want, because it only adjusts the space at the beginning and end of a measure, and not the measure width as such. Johannes Owain Sutton schrieb: Apologies - your reply might have been one that arrived in my inbox the afternoon I screwed up my system so badly I had to reinstall. And I'm now scratching my head as to how I'd missed this before - the option that's not on by default isn't for the overall measure width (as you know!). I knew that the lower handle gave me the beat chart, and had only ever tweaked individual bar widths along with doing other stuff in the measure attributes dialog. I guess it's a RTFM moment...I'm feeling kinda stupid now... David W. Fenton wrote: On 13 Mar 2005 at 21:01, Owain Sutton wrote: I few weeks ago, I posted bemoaning the lack of the ability to click-and-drag measure widths. I've just realised there's an option in the Measure tool to do this (Measure - Show measure spacing handles, turned off by default). Is this new, or has it always been there? In other words, for how long have I been wasting time adjusting measure widths by other means?! I don't recall any such feature in Fin 2k3, which was the last version I knew. Turned off by default? Every version of Finale I've ever used had it turned ON by default (I'm currently on WinFin2K3). There are two handles, the top one for dragging (or for doubleclicking it to open the Measure Attributes dialog), and the bottom one, which reveals the beat chart for the measure. And, yes, it's been this way in every single version of Finale I've ever used -- it's one of the most commonly used UI elements for me. I posted in reply to your question a week or so ago, pointing this out. Apparently you missed my reply, since had you read it, you should have been puzzled about exactly what I was talking about! How in the world have you ever edited beat spacing charts? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x
Apparently in OS X fonts are always included. Because of the PS problems with Reader 5 and Finale I now use PStill to correct these files, that seems to work well. Johannes Robert Patterson schrieb: While we are on the topic of OSX PDF files, is there a way to determine if fonts are being included? In OS9 I always scrupulously included them, but I haven't noticed a similar option in the standard Print dialog of OSX. -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x
I don't think it was fixed, and according to MacSupport it is a bug in Adobe Reader 5. Johannes Darcy James Argue schrieb: I believe this was a font problem, and it was fixed in Fin2004b (and also with a standalone Mac OS X font update). I have a PostScript printer, I always print to PDF directly from Finale, and since installing Fin2004b (and, of course, Fin2005), I have never seen this problem. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 13 Mar 2005, at 8:24 PM, David Horne wrote: On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:18:32 -0500, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 13 Mar 2005, at 7:45 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: David Horne wrote: It seems fine however, when I create the pdf directly within Finale, but that has it's own potential problems. Perhaps I missed this thread. What are the problems with printing the PDF directly? None -- in my experience, at least. In OS 9, it was better to create PDFs from EPS files using Distiller -- but in OS X, I haven't had any problems at all using the built-in Print to PDF function. I followed up to Robert from the wrong account, so my answer awaits moderator aproval. The problem is when those files are printed on postscript printers, and the problem is random. That is, it affects some files, not others. This was reported in this forum, oh, around, 6 months ago. I took little notice at the time, as I was having no problems. Then, a few months later, I did. In my case, all the whole note and 16th note rests were replaced by 'ppp' markings. David ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] MacOSX File overwrite bug
Sorry if this has been mentioned, here's a thing I haven't heard mentioned before. The quote is from Peter West in the Mac forum on MM's web forum: --- I have suffered from the file overwrite bug. It is not a Finale bug, it is a MAc OS bug. This, I believe is the problem: If you have expose switched on and minimise a file to the dock, another file open in the same application might under certain cercumstances be overwritten by the minimised file. There seem to be two ways to prevent this happening (I do both for security) 1. Switch off expose 2. Never minimese a finale file to the dock when working on another finale file, just leave the window open in the background. --- Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x
Hi Johannes, I thought David said he was using Preview, not Acrobat? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Mar 2005, at 2:28 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I don't think it was fixed, and according to MacSupport it is a bug in Adobe Reader 5. Johannes Darcy James Argue schrieb: I believe this was a font problem, and it was fixed in Fin2004b (and also with a standalone Mac OS X font update). I have a PostScript printer, I always print to PDF directly from Finale, and since installing Fin2004b (and, of course, Fin2005), I have never seen this problem. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 13 Mar 2005, at 8:24 PM, David Horne wrote: On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:18:32 -0500, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 13 Mar 2005, at 7:45 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: David Horne wrote: It seems fine however, when I create the pdf directly within Finale, but that has it's own potential problems. Perhaps I missed this thread. What are the problems with printing the PDF directly? None -- in my experience, at least. In OS 9, it was better to create PDFs from EPS files using Distiller -- but in OS X, I haven't had any problems at all using the built-in Print to PDF function. I followed up to Robert from the wrong account, so my answer awaits moderator aproval. The problem is when those files are printed on postscript printers, and the problem is random. That is, it affects some files, not others. This was reported in this forum, oh, around, 6 months ago. I took little notice at the time, as I was having no problems. Then, a few months later, I did. In my case, all the whole note and 16th note rests were replaced by 'ppp' markings. David ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MacOSX File overwrite bug
Hi Jari, Thanks for passing this on, but I'm afraid this person doesn't know what he's talking about. The file overwrite bug has been an issue since at least Finale 2002 in Mac OS 9. It seems worse in post-Fin2004 versions, but it's not new to OS X. It's definitely a Finale but and not an OS X bug. I have experienced the file overwrite problem in OS 10.2.x before Exposé was introduced. I never minimize Finale windows, and yet I have still encountered the bug. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Mar 2005, at 6:54 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Sorry if this has been mentioned, here's a thing I haven't heard mentioned before. The quote is from Peter West in the Mac forum on MM's web forum: --- I have suffered from the file overwrite bug. It is not a Finale bug, it is a MAc OS bug. This, I believe is the problem: If you have expose switched on and minimise a file to the dock, another file open in the same application might under certain cercumstances be overwritten by the minimised file. There seem to be two ways to prevent this happening (I do both for security) 1. Switch off expose 2. Never minimese a finale file to the dock when working on another finale file, just leave the window open in the background. --- Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x
Hi Johannes, I just tried that with Acrobat Reader 5.1 and the Finale 2005 Maestro Font Default. I had no problem with whole rests. My printer is the Ricoh AP2610, which is a PostScript printer. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Mar 2005, at 2:32 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Well, try printing a file with whole rests directly to PDF (built in PDF creation) and then print this file with Reader 5 to a PS printer. That's when I always get problems (the rests print as different characters). Johannes Darcy James Argue schrieb: On 13 Mar 2005, at 7:45 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: David Horne wrote: It seems fine however, when I create the pdf directly within Finale, but that has it's own potential problems. Perhaps I missed this thread. What are the problems with printing the PDF directly? None -- in my experience, at least. In OS 9, it was better to create PDFs from EPS files using Distiller -- but in OS X, I haven't had any problems at all using the built-in Print to PDF function. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MacOSX File overwrite bug
Hi Jari, Also, I can't find the post you quoted. I want to correct this misinformation on the Coda forum. Could you post the URL? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Mar 2005, at 6:54 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Sorry if this has been mentioned, here's a thing I haven't heard mentioned before. The quote is from Peter West in the Mac forum on MM's web forum: --- I have suffered from the file overwrite bug. It is not a Finale bug, it is a MAc OS bug. This, I believe is the problem: If you have expose switched on and minimise a file to the dock, another file open in the same application might under certain cercumstances be overwritten by the minimised file. There seem to be two ways to prevent this happening (I do both for security) 1. Switch off expose 2. Never minimese a finale file to the dock when working on another finale file, just leave the window open in the background. --- Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x
David: you're not alone! I tried it and got exactly the same result, using Finale 2005 and OS X 10.3.7: - I made an engraver tuplet consisting of quaver + crotchet (eighth + quarter note) - I created a ps file from Finale and used it to make a PDF. - The notes are visible, but the number and bracket are not there. - Non-engraver triplets, or engraver triplets made of three quavers or of three crotchets print out fine. I guess the problem is a bug in the Finale Compile Postscript listing command (and, correspondingly, in the export EPS command). Send a bug report to Macsupport! It is evidently not a font issue, as the tuplet number (with the same font) prints fine on triplets with three quavers, and the bracket is not a font character at all. If you use the Save as PDF function, it is the Mas OS that complies the Postscript listing, not the Finale app. As far as I can tell, this works OK. Michael Cook Just one final thing before I go! :) When I create similar (i.e. combination of quaver and crotchet triplets) _non_ engraver tuplets, the problem doesn't arise. Very strange. Ah, well, looks like I'm the only one experiencing this oddity- what on earth could be causing this on my system though. Is that really a font issue? (Also, tuplets on rests are fine.) David ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x
I've had so many problems with Acrobat Reader 5 that I bit the bullet and downloaded Adobe Reader 7. AR7 (still free) has many, many commendable features new from AR5. It is probably a horrible hog, but I don't notice it that much. It loads quickly and works well. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MacOSX File overwrite bug
Darcy James Argue wrote: Also, I can't find the post you quoted. I want to correct this misinformation on the Coda forum. Could you post the URL? http://www.finalemusic.com/forum/default.aspx?f=6m=106929 Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MacOSX File overwrite bug
And I've never used Exposé, and I've had the bug, both with minimised and not-minimised files, even before minimising existed. Christopher On Mar 14, 2005, at 7:10 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Jari, Thanks for passing this on, but I'm afraid this person doesn't know what he's talking about. The file overwrite bug has been an issue since at least Finale 2002 in Mac OS 9. It seems worse in post-Fin2004 versions, but it's not new to OS X. It's definitely a Finale but and not an OS X bug. I have experienced the file overwrite problem in OS 10.2.x before Exposé was introduced. I never minimize Finale windows, and yet I have still encountered the bug. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Mar 2005, at 6:54 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Sorry if this has been mentioned, here's a thing I haven't heard mentioned before. The quote is from Peter West in the Mac forum on MM's web forum: --- I have suffered from the file overwrite bug. It is not a Finale bug, it is a MAc OS bug. This, I believe is the problem: If you have expose switched on and minimise a file to the dock, another file open in the same application might under certain cercumstances be overwritten by the minimised file. There seem to be two ways to prevent this happening (I do both for security) 1. Switch off expose 2. Never minimese a finale file to the dock when working on another finale file, just leave the window open in the background. --- Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT - Garageband
[I have already posted this on the Sibelius list - sorry for cross-postings!] I have a colleague that wants to make a file on GarageBand, save it as MIDI, and then import it into either Finale or Sibelius. The problem is on the front end - can GarageBand save its files as MIDI, and, if so, how does one do so? Thanks! Jamin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MacOSX File overwrite bug
Hi Chris, Minimizing has existed since (I think) OS 7. It just behaves differently in OS 9 and OS X (i.e., windowshade vs. shrink to dock). And, of course, the OS X minimize to dock button has been there since OS X 10.0. I agree that minimizing has *nothing* to do with the file overwrite bug, which is a Finale bug. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Mar 2005, at 7:55 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: And I've never used Exposé, and I've had the bug, both with minimised and not-minimised files, even before minimising existed. Christopher On Mar 14, 2005, at 7:10 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Jari, Thanks for passing this on, but I'm afraid this person doesn't know what he's talking about. The file overwrite bug has been an issue since at least Finale 2002 in Mac OS 9. It seems worse in post-Fin2004 versions, but it's not new to OS X. It's definitely a Finale but and not an OS X bug. I have experienced the file overwrite problem in OS 10.2.x before Exposé was introduced. I never minimize Finale windows, and yet I have still encountered the bug. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Mar 2005, at 6:54 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Sorry if this has been mentioned, here's a thing I haven't heard mentioned before. The quote is from Peter West in the Mac forum on MM's web forum: --- I have suffered from the file overwrite bug. It is not a Finale bug, it is a MAc OS bug. This, I believe is the problem: If you have expose switched on and minimise a file to the dock, another file open in the same application might under certain cercumstances be overwritten by the minimised file. There seem to be two ways to prevent this happening (I do both for security) 1. Switch off expose 2. Never minimese a finale file to the dock when working on another finale file, just leave the window open in the background. --- Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x
Hi Robert, You skipped the worst version (Adobe Reader 6). Adobe Reader 7 is much less of a hog than its predecessor. The PDF rendering still looks like ass compared to Preview, though. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Mar 2005, at 7:45 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: I've had so many problems with Acrobat Reader 5 that I bit the bullet and downloaded Adobe Reader 7. AR7 (still free) has many, many commendable features new from AR5. It is probably a horrible hog, but I don't notice it that much. It loads quickly and works well. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x
I suppose you mean onscreen, which is certainly true. But I haven't noticed any difference in the printouts. The main thing I like about AR7 is the preview pane on the print dialog. I know right away if my file is going to print correctly, without having to waste time and paper figuring it out. Darcy James Argue wrote: The PDF rendering still looks like ass compared to Preview, though. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x
On 14 Mar 2005, at 8:47 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: I suppose you mean onscreen, Yes. But I haven't noticed any difference in the printouts. No, printouts are fine. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac)
I didn't realize it was a bug! Just more Kontakt malingering. But here is my confirmation of the phenom. Jerry On 13-Mar-05, at 9:40 PM, Harold Owen wrote: Dear Darcy, Yes, I get it, and I agree it's annoying, but I've found that I can save time and energy by bringing up the file in Finale first, then opening GPO Studio, then changing the MIDI Setup. Although the directions for GPO Studio say it should be opened before Finale, it's not necessary as long as you know you will have to reset the MIDI Setup after loading in your GPO instruments. This is especially true when using more than four or five instruments because everything is so much slowed down after opening GPO Studio. I'm on iMac G4 with 1 GB RAM. The bug should be fixed, although I'm not sure it's the fault of Finale. What I'd really like is for Finale to give us a really comprehensive set-up for use with GPO that would read slurs and enter CC-64 information, make sure CC-1 sets all instruments above zero, and links the playback record button to the record playback in GPS Studio. BTW, I have a copy of Sibelius 3.1, and it provides a special version of the Kontakt Player that seems to offer more control of the GPO Studio from within Sibelius. Playback is automatically set up properly. However, the problem of clicks and slowing down of cpu functions is about the same as it is with Finale. Of course, things will not improve much on the Mac side with GPO until Native Instruments decides to optimize their code for Mac System X. Hal Hello, listers, Here is a message I sent to Macsupport, but I'd be ever so grateful if everyone with MacFin and GPO would take a moment to try the steps I outline below on their system. If you can reproduce this bug, please take a moment to send an email to Macsupport letting them know, and requesting that the problem be fixed. If you *can't* reproduce this bug, please let *me* know -- and please include your system info and your model of MIDI interface. --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GPO Studio not found Date: 12 March 2005 11:33:56 PM EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ryan, It doesn't matter how much time I give GPO to initialize and load my preset ensemble -- I always get the same error message. I know for a fact that several other GPO Mac Finale users (Gerald Berg, for instance) have the same problem. In fact, I have not yet heard from anyone on either the FInale list or on the Northern Sounds GPO Forum who does *not* have this problem, so if you can't reproduce it I'm really curious how you're getting it to work -- unless you never quit GPO studio? Try this: 1) Make sure Finale is not running, then temporarily remove or disable your Finale 2005 preferences. 2) Launch GPO Studio. (If GPO Studio is running, quit, then launch it again.) 3) Open Finale 2005 and launch the Maestro Default File. 4) In Finale's MIDI Setup, for output device, choose GPO Studio: 1. 5) Save preferences. 6) Quit Finale (and save the document as GPO Test.mus or whatever). 7) Quit GPO Studio. 8) Re-launch GPO Studio. 9) Double click GPO Test.mus. Are you telling me when you do this you *don't* get the error message (Finale is expecting the following devices, but they are not found inyour current Audio MIDI Setup configuration etc)? If you don't get the error message, then I'm stumped. I can reproduce this bug 100% of the time on my system (1.42 GHz Mac mini, FireWire Audiophile MIDI interface), and so can Gerald on his. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 10 Mar 2005, at 12:46 PM, MacSupport wrote: Darcy, The only reason that I can think of as to why this would happen is if you just are not giving GPO enough time to initialize before launching Finale. Other than that, I have not heard of this problem from any other GPO/Finale users. You may wish to check on the GPO forum and see if anyone else has experienced this problem. Sincerely, Ryan Customer Support Representative MakeMusic!, Inc. Please include all previous correspondence relating to this issue in your reply. Did we answer your question? Click here to comment on the quality of our Technical Support: http://www.finalemusic.com/support/comments.asp?tech=ryan> Introducing Finale 2005! Check it out at http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/new/> -Original Message- From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:30 AM To: MacSupport Subject: GPO Studio not found Hello, When using GPO, I can't figure out how to get Finale to remember the choices I made in Finale's MIDI Setup. Even after setting up everything and saving preferences and making sure to launch GPO Studio before launching Finale, every time I launch Finale I get the same error message: Finale is expecting the following devices, but they are not found in your current Audio MIDI Setup configuration. Check your configuration in Finale MIDI Setup and in Audio MIDI Setup.
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac)
Thanks, Jerry. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Mar 2005, at 9:10 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: I didn't realize it was a bug! Just more Kontakt malingering. But here is my confirmation of the phenom. Jerry On 13-Mar-05, at 9:40 PM, Harold Owen wrote: Dear Darcy, Yes, I get it, and I agree it's annoying, but I've found that I can save time and energy by bringing up the file in Finale first, then opening GPO Studio, then changing the MIDI Setup. Although the directions for GPO Studio say it should be opened before Finale, it's not necessary as long as you know you will have to reset the MIDI Setup after loading in your GPO instruments. This is especially true when using more than four or five instruments because everything is so much slowed down after opening GPO Studio. I'm on iMac G4 with 1 GB RAM. The bug should be fixed, although I'm not sure it's the fault of Finale. What I'd really like is for Finale to give us a really comprehensive set-up for use with GPO that would read slurs and enter CC-64 information, make sure CC-1 sets all instruments above zero, and links the playback record button to the record playback in GPS Studio. BTW, I have a copy of Sibelius 3.1, and it provides a special version of the Kontakt Player that seems to offer more control of the GPO Studio from within Sibelius. Playback is automatically set up properly. However, the problem of clicks and slowing down of cpu functions is about the same as it is with Finale. Of course, things will not improve much on the Mac side with GPO until Native Instruments decides to optimize their code for Mac System X. Hal Hello, listers, Here is a message I sent to Macsupport, but I'd be ever so grateful if everyone with MacFin and GPO would take a moment to try the steps I outline below on their system. If you can reproduce this bug, please take a moment to send an email to Macsupport letting them know, and requesting that the problem be fixed. If you *can't* reproduce this bug, please let *me* know -- and please include your system info and your model of MIDI interface. --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GPO Studio not found Date: 12 March 2005 11:33:56 PM EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ryan, It doesn't matter how much time I give GPO to initialize and load my preset ensemble -- I always get the same error message. I know for a fact that several other GPO Mac Finale users (Gerald Berg, for instance) have the same problem. In fact, I have not yet heard from anyone on either the FInale list or on the Northern Sounds GPO Forum who does *not* have this problem, so if you can't reproduce it I'm really curious how you're getting it to work -- unless you never quit GPO studio? Try this: 1) Make sure Finale is not running, then temporarily remove or disable your Finale 2005 preferences. 2) Launch GPO Studio. (If GPO Studio is running, quit, then launch it again.) 3) Open Finale 2005 and launch the Maestro Default File. 4) In Finale's MIDI Setup, for output device, choose GPO Studio: 1. 5) Save preferences. 6) Quit Finale (and save the document as GPO Test.mus or whatever). 7) Quit GPO Studio. 8) Re-launch GPO Studio. 9) Double click GPO Test.mus. Are you telling me when you do this you *don't* get the error message (Finale is expecting the following devices, but they are not found inyour current Audio MIDI Setup configuration etc)? If you don't get the error message, then I'm stumped. I can reproduce this bug 100% of the time on my system (1.42 GHz Mac mini, FireWire Audiophile MIDI interface), and so can Gerald on his. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 10 Mar 2005, at 12:46 PM, MacSupport wrote: Darcy, The only reason that I can think of as to why this would happen is if you just are not giving GPO enough time to initialize before launching Finale. Other than that, I have not heard of this problem from any other GPO/Finale users. You may wish to check on the GPO forum and see if anyone else has experienced this problem. Sincerely, Ryan Customer Support Representative MakeMusic!, Inc. Please include all previous correspondence relating to this issue in your reply. Did we answer your question? Click here to comment on the quality of our Technical Support: http://www.finalemusic.com/support/comments.asp?tech=ryan Introducing Finale 2005! Check it out at http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/new/ -Original Message- From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:30 AM To: MacSupport Subject: GPO Studio not found Hello, When using GPO, I can't figure out how to get Finale to remember the choices I made in Finale's MIDI Setup. Even after setting up everything and saving preferences and making sure to launch GPO Studio before launching Finale, every time I launch Finale I get the same error message: Finale is expecting
Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x
I just tried it, too, and it seems you are right. So perhaps it was corrected in 2k5b, which seems to indicate it was a Finale problem after all (although it only showed in Reader 5, and not in Reader 6). I guess all is well now! Johannes Darcy James Argue schrieb: Hi Johannes, I just tried that with Acrobat Reader 5.1 and the Finale 2005 Maestro Font Default. I had no problem with whole rests. My printer is the Ricoh AP2610, which is a PostScript printer. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Mar 2005, at 2:32 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Well, try printing a file with whole rests directly to PDF (built in PDF creation) and then print this file with Reader 5 to a PS printer. That's when I always get problems (the rests print as different characters). Johannes Darcy James Argue schrieb: On 13 Mar 2005, at 7:45 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: David Horne wrote: It seems fine however, when I create the pdf directly within Finale, but that has it's own potential problems. Perhaps I missed this thread. What are the problems with printing the PDF directly? None -- in my experience, at least. In OS 9, it was better to create PDFs from EPS files using Distiller -- but in OS X, I haven't had any problems at all using the built-in Print to PDF function. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] group bracket thickness
I don't think there is a solution for this. You can change piano braces, but not group brackets, they are hard coded. Johannes Marius Schebella schrieb: Hi, I am sure there is a solution for this, but I could not find it yet... How can I change the thickness of the group brackets? Thank you! marius. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac)
Title: Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac) Dear Darcy, The error message did not come up when I use FinMac 2k4c with GPO. I believe that the MIDI setup is independent of file settings. When I open GPO Studio then open Finale 2k4, whatever was my last MIDI Setup is there for any new or old files I load. GPO Studio: 1 shows as the output device, and it is not in italics (meaning Finale has found it). When I open GPO Studio then open Finale 2k5, GPO Studio: 1 shows in italics as the output device (meaning Finale has not found it), and I get the error message. For the time being, when I am using Finale 2k5 I reset MIDI Setup with none or Senthesizer for the output before closing. The next time I open a Finale file, it will load, and I can set up GPO. That's easier than dealing with the error bug. I did send a message to Mac Support about the bug. Hal -- Harold Owen 2830 Emerald St., Eugene, OR 97403 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit my web site at: http://uoregon.edu/~hjowen FAX: (509) 461-3608 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac)
On 14 Mar 2005, at 12:41 PM, Harold Owen wrote: The error message did not come up when I use FinMac 2k4c with GPO. Hmm. Interesting -- apparently it used to work, and now it's broken. I believe that the MIDI setup is independent of file settings. Right -- it's saved in Program Options, not Document Options. For the time being, when I am using Finale 2k5 I reset MIDI Setup with none or Senthesizer for the output before closing. The next time I open a Finale file, it will load, and I can set up GPO. That's easier than dealing with the error bug. An easier way would be to disable Save Preferences on Quit. Then set the output device to None and manually save prefs. Then you will never see the error message, no matter what the MIDI settings were when you quit. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] American Styles (was Best Works of the 1920s)
On Mar 14, 2005, at 3:33 AM, Mark D Lew wrote: On Mar 13, 2005, at 10:28 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: In 1820? *What* interior heartland? There was an interior alright, but it was very sparsely populated and could hardly be considered the heartland of anything. Good point. I would just amend sparsely populated to sparsely populated by non-indigenous Americans. Sorry to nitpick, but I don't like to see perpetuated the myth that American expansion was into vacant land. The ultimate source of the conflict between the Indians and the European colonists was a dramatic contrast in population densities in the different cultures. Europe ca. 1600 was an order of magnitude more densely populated than North America, so that when Europeans arrived in North America, they thought the place was empty, while the indigenous inhabitants thought it was quite full, thank you. So sparsely populated in my posting needs no qualifier--especially since I am speaking by 21st-c. Western standards . And, of course, the high *percentage* of Indians in the interior territories merely underlines the non-existence there of any universal people's music that included everybody. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Beginning of staff line
This is a non-crucial question for me, but an annoyance I encountered yesterday, creating an optimized score. The score is for 2 sopranos and basso continuo, so there are two groups defined (voices, BC). However, what I'm producing for now is a usable bass part to play from, with cues written in the 2nd soprano line. I then optimize to remove empty staves and end up with a result that has mostly 2 lines, but occasionally only the bass line. The problem is that the single staff has no left bar line or bracket, and it makes it hard for me to recognize where the next system begins when it's only a single system (my layout is tight because I really must limit the piece to 3 pages). Now, I know that proper engraving rules for a single part are that you *don't* have a left line on a single system, but this isn't a single part. The part is here (all on one line): http://www.bway.net/~dfenton/Collegium/Scores/Charpentier- TenebraeLessons.PDF Now, this is a quick-and-dirty score, created from a 7-page facsimile of the composer's very messy autograph, so I'm not so worried about it, but I do have to perform from it this Sunday, and in practicing with it, I have trouble with the systems that have a single line with no left bar. I've drawn them in by hand on the part I'm playing from, but I would like to know how to get them to show in the printed score. Is it doable? -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Authentication schemes
Dennis W. Manasco wrote: So what happens if a principal makes a decision that causes loss of income for a litigating class? i.e.: What if the principal was one of those who made the decision to institute a tethered copy-protection scheme that, during the implosion of the business, caused numerous customers to lose a significant portion of their livelihood? The tether Finale uses is not one that would automatically cause numerous customers to lose livelihood during the implosion of the business. If the business fails, most customers will be able to continue to use Finale on their existing machine for an undefined period of time, subject to a number of circumstances. The customers who would be unable to use Finale would be those who require a new authentication code, when there is no entity to provide it. These would be people who decide to make a new installation on new hardware, and those who require a new installation because a critical componenet of the hardware they were previously using failed. For most customers, there will be a lengthy window during which, while they may not be able to get a new authentication code, they will still be able to run their existing installation, and it is only wise business practice, in that case, to switch to another software product. Indeed, it is good business practice to plan for critical problems in one's business, so that when they occur, it is merely a challenge instead of a catastrophe. Further, if one requires an authentication code because of the failure of a critical hardware component in a system on which the software was previously operating, one is going to have to prove why the tether created by the software company was responsible, instead of the manufacturer of the hardware which failed, and I would suggest that if the defendant shows that several thousands of other users are still using the tethered software and using it to generate income, that the decision to tether the software was not the major cause of loss of income, but rather loss of income was a consequence of factors over which the software vendor had no knowledge or control. Further, one of the principal's defenses is going to be that the warranty for the software, since at least version 2k, specifically states the entire risk as to the quality and peformance of the software and accompanying documentation materials is with you. You assume all responsibility for selection of software and accompanying documentation materials to achieve your intended results, and for the installation, use and results of the software. If one is concerned about the viability of the company, one sghould save all of one's work in ~.ETF format and switch to lilypond, which by use of the etf2ly filter can convert Finale files to lily pond ones. AS to signs that software industry folks are concerned about exposure despite the license, I would submit that one of the first signs of this will be a rewriting of the license, to make it good for a fixed time period (one year), after which it will have to be renewed. Finally, I would note that Makemusic! is a publicly traded coimpany, and makes public the formst of data in the ~.etf data files. If because they use an authentication scheme to enforce the terms of the license, their products are given the sobriquet victimware, what shall we call Sibelius, which not only uses an authentication scheme, but is a privately held company, and uses a proprietary format for it's data files? Note that there is a filter to convert Finale ~.ETF files to lilypond; there is no filter to convert Sibelius files to lilypond. Which begs the question: Sibelius trumpets how many people have switched from Finale to Sibelius, but this is trivially easy to do; it is much more difficult to to convert back the other way, and by coincidence, I've dealt with several people in the past couple of weeks who did go back, despite of the time and effort required to do so. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beginning of staff line
Barlines: Document options Barlines Display on Single Staves. Brackets: Group attributes Bracket: put checkmark on Show Bracket if Group Contains Only One Staff. Cheers, Hans David W. Fenton wrote: This is a non-crucial question for me, but an annoyance I encountered yesterday, creating an optimized score. The score is for 2 sopranos and basso continuo, so there are two groups defined (voices, BC). However, what I'm producing for now is a usable bass part to play from, with cues written in the 2nd soprano line. I then optimize to remove empty staves and end up with a result that has mostly 2 lines, but occasionally only the bass line. The problem is that the single staff has no left bar line or bracket, and it makes it hard for me to recognize where the next system begins when it's only a single system (my layout is tight because I really must limit the piece to 3 pages). Now, I know that proper engraving rules for a single part are that you *don't* have a left line on a single system, but this isn't a single part. The part is here (all on one line): http://www.bway.net/~dfenton/Collegium/Scores/Charpentier- TenebraeLessons.PDF Now, this is a quick-and-dirty score, created from a 7-page facsimile of the composer's very messy autograph, so I'm not so worried about it, but I do have to perform from it this Sunday, and in practicing with it, I have trouble with the systems that have a single line with no left bar. I've drawn them in by hand on the part I'm playing from, but I would like to know how to get them to show in the printed score. Is it doable? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beginning of staff line
David W. Fenton wrote: This is a non-crucial question for me, but an annoyance I encountered yesterday, creating an optimized score. The score is for 2 sopranos and basso continuo, so there are two groups defined (voices, BC). However, what I'm producing for now is a usable bass part to play from, with cues written in the 2nd soprano line. I then optimize to remove empty staves and end up with a result that has mostly 2 lines, but occasionally only the bass line. The problem is that the single staff has no left bar line or bracket, and it makes it hard for me to recognize where the next system begins when it's only a single system (my layout is tight because I really must limit the piece to 3 pages). Now, I know that proper engraving rules for a single part are that you *don't* have a left line on a single system, but this isn't a single part. The part is here (all on one line): http://www.bway.net/~dfenton/Collegium/Scores/Charpentier- TenebraeLessons.PDF Now, this is a quick-and-dirty score, created from a 7-page facsimile of the composer's very messy autograph, so I'm not so worried about it, but I do have to perform from it this Sunday, and in practicing with it, I have trouble with the systems that have a single line with no left bar. I've drawn them in by hand on the part I'm playing from, but I would like to know how to get them to show in the printed score. Is it doable? Options/Document Settings/Barlines then in the section on Left Barline check the box for Display on Single Staves. I think older versions called it Document Settings -- Finale 2005 calls it Document Options. In any event, that's where the setting it that you're looking for. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Authentication schemes
Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Dennis W. Manasco wrote: So what happens if a principal makes a decision that causes loss of income for a litigating class? i.e.: What if the principal was one of those who made the decision to institute a tethered copy-protection scheme that, during the implosion of the business, caused numerous customers to lose a significant portion of their livelihood? The tether Finale uses is not one that would automatically cause numerous customers to lose livelihood during the implosion of the business. If the business fails, most customers will be able to continue to use Finale on their existing machine for an undefined period of time, subject to a number of circumstances. The customers who would be unable to use Finale would be those who require a new authentication code, when there is no entity to provide it. These would be people who decide to make a new installation on new hardware, and those who require a new installation because a critical componenet of the hardware they were previously using failed. For most customers, there will be a lengthy window during which, while they may not be able to get a new authentication code, they will still be able to run their existing installation, and it is only wise business practice, in that case, to switch to another software product. Indeed, it is good business practice to plan for critical problems in one's business, so that when they occur, it is merely a challenge instead of a catastrophe. Further, if one requires an authentication code because of the failure of a critical hardware component in a system on which the software was previously operating, one is going to have to prove why the tether created by the software company was responsible, instead of the manufacturer of the hardware which failed, and I would suggest that if the defendant shows that several thousands of other users are still using the tethered software and using it to generate income, that the decision to tether the software was not the major cause of loss of income, but rather loss of income was a consequence of factors over which the software vendor had no knowledge or control. Further, one of the principal's defenses is going to be that the warranty for the software, since at least version 2k, specifically states the entire risk as to the quality and peformance of the software and accompanying documentation materials is with you. You assume all responsibility for selection of software and accompanying documentation materials to achieve your intended results, and for the installation, use and results of the software. If one is concerned about the viability of the company, one sghould save all of one's work in ~.ETF format and switch to lilypond, which by use of the etf2ly filter can convert Finale files to lily pond ones. AS to signs that software industry folks are concerned about exposure despite the license, I would submit that one of the first signs of this will be a rewriting of the license, to make it good for a fixed time period (one year), after which it will have to be renewed. Finally, I would note that Makemusic! is a publicly traded coimpany, and makes public the formst of data in the ~.etf data files. If because they use an authentication scheme to enforce the terms of the license, their products are given the sobriquet victimware, what shall we call Sibelius, which not only uses an authentication scheme, but is a privately held company, and uses a proprietary format for it's data files? Note that there is a filter to convert Finale ~.ETF files to lilypond; there is no filter to convert Sibelius files to lilypond. Which begs the question: Sibelius trumpets how many people have switched from Finale to Sibelius, but this is trivially easy to do; it is much more difficult to to convert back the other way, and by coincidence, I've dealt with several people in the past couple of weeks who did go back, despite of the time and effort required to do so. ns Add me to the number -- although I never really got going far enough into Sibelius to do more than one complete project. Upon having such a slow-going note-entry on my second project in Sibelius, I simply used the MusicXML process to convert from what had already been entered in Sibelius back to Finale, and then completed 2/3 of the note entry and all page layout and part-extraction and completion in about the same amount of time it took me to do 1/3 of the note-entry in Sibelius. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beginning of staff line
On 14 Mar 2005 at 19:43, Hans Swinnen wrote: Barlines: Document options Barlines Display on Single Staves. Great! Thanks! Thanks also to David Bailey for the same advice. Brackets: Group attributes Bracket: put checkmark on Show Bracket if Group Contains Only One Staff. That actually wouldn't work, as the bass staff is part of the basso continuo group, which is a keyboard grand staff, so it has a curly bracket. But, fortunately, the first option did the job. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beginning of staff line
David W. Fenton wrote: However, what I'm producing for now is a usable bass part to play from, with cues written in the 2nd soprano line. I then optimize to remove empty staves and end up with a result that has mostly 2 lines, but occasionally only the bass line. The problem is that the single staff has no left bar line or bracket, and it makes it hard for me to recognize where the next system begins when it's only a single system ...snip... I've drawn them in by hand on the part I'm playing from, but I would like to know how to get them to show in the printed score. Is it doable? Just a thought, but what happens if you edit the group attributes so that the box next to show group bracket if group contains only one staff is checked? ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] GPO Studio
FinMac 2005b I'm trying to get GPO to work at all with Finale. I've read Adam Burford's tutorial, which says Youll see 8 Players: Player 1, Player 2, ... Player 8. Click on one of the Player buttons and up pops an instance of the Kontakt Player. This is my first problem. Clicking on the player buttons does nothing. I can open Kontakt player and load up to 8 instruments, no more, but don't know how to access them in Finale. In Finale's Instrument List window GPO Studio shows up, but opposite that is a list of 128 numbered patches. Selecting one of these does not produce any of the sounds I have loaded into GPO. No reply so far to my email to GPO Support. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beginning of staff line
At 01:20 PM 3/14/05 -0500, David W. Fenton wrote: Now, I know that proper engraving rules for a single part are that you *don't* have a left line on a single system, but this isn't a single part. The part is here (all on one line): http://www.bway.net/~dfenton/Collegium/Scores/Charpentier- TenebraeLessons.PDF How about creating a staff group, using the straight bracket (last bracket in the dialog in 2K3), setting the bracket's left offset to zero, and checking show bracket if group contains only one staff? Will that work for you? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beginning of staff line
On 14 Mar 2005 at 20:36, Johannes Gebauer wrote: There are actually quite a number of things which are only possible because of the way optimization is bound to single systems, and not a global option. For instance, it is possible to use Mensurstriche only for select systems, and even mix them in single systems with clever use of group options and measure options. I have had situations where Mensurstriche had to start mid-system and it is possible... Yes, I've been often confused by the fact of scroll-view and page- view groups being independent. I consider it a bug, not a feature. I also was quite annoyed by the way vertical lyrics positioning travels with staff systems with the Charpentier. I left that until last, but then ended up revising the page layout after having done so, which meant I had to completely proofread all the lyrics for vertical positioning, and redo all the ones that were now wrong (because a measure or two had ended up on a different system). I'm not sure I can think of a better way to do this (at least not one that doesn't introduce lots of complications), but I sure do wish it worked the way *I* want it to! PS: Do you or anyone else have any idea why when I reply to your messages (using Thunderbird) the reply always gets addressed to both you and the list, while for most other posts this doesn't happen (and I don't really want it to happen)? I don't understand it... Probably because my email messages always have a Reply-To: header, whereas yours do not. Since Finale sets the Reply-To: header to the list address, it maintains the original Reply-To by combining my Reply-To: with its own. I think the list software ought to ignore *my* Reply-To: address, but that's not the way it works. I also wish my email program would include a Reply-To: only when it differs with the From: address, but it puts Reply-To: in every message, and I have no control over that. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beginning of staff line
On 14 Mar 2005 at 13:27, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: However, what I'm producing for now is a usable bass part to play from, with cues written in the 2nd soprano line. I then optimize to remove empty staves and end up with a result that has mostly 2 lines, but occasionally only the bass line. The problem is that the single staff has no left bar line or bracket, and it makes it hard for me to recognize where the next system begins when it's only a single system ...snip... I've drawn them in by hand on the part I'm playing from, but I would like to know how to get them to show in the printed score. Is it doable? Just a thought, but what happens if you edit the group attributes so that the box next to show group bracket if group contains only one staff is checked? The wrong bracket would display, as it's a continuo part with the right hand realization optimized out. A curly bracket is not what I want. Johannes was right to suggest that I could create a group in page view that would bracket the single system. But really, all I needed was to include the left barline on single staves, which completely solved my problem, even if it breaks the rules of the Great Gods of Music Engraving. I don't give a rat's ass about the rules when they make my scores less readable, and Im glad Finale allows me to break those rules by simply changing the value of one little checkbox. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beginning of staff line
On 14 Mar 2005 at 13:36, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 01:20 PM 3/14/05 -0500, David W. Fenton wrote: Now, I know that proper engraving rules for a single part are that you *don't* have a left line on a single system, but this isn't a single part. The part is here (all on one line): http://www.bway.net/~dfenton/Collegium/Scores/Charpentier- TenebraeLessons.PDF How about creating a staff group, using the straight bracket (last bracket in the dialog in 2K3), setting the bracket's left offset to zero, and checking show bracket if group contains only one staff? Will that work for you? Naturally, it would, but changing the document option for left barlines fixed it in a much easier fashion (much less time). I have never actually liked the official engraving style with no left barline -- I think it's hard to read, as it certainly was in the case of my part. I do recognize that if I were going to extract parts I'd probably be better off defining the page-view staff group. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
On 14 Mar 2005, at 2:26 PM, John Bell wrote: FinMac 2005b I'm trying to get GPO to work at all with Finale. I've read Adam Burford's tutorial, which says Youll see 8 Players: Player 1, Player 2, ... Player 8. Click on one of the Player buttons and up pops an instance of the Kontakt Player. This is my first problem. Clicking on the player buttons does nothing. I can open Kontakt player and load up to 8 instruments, no more, but don't know how to access them in Finale. In Finale's Instrument List window GPO Studio shows up, but opposite that is a list of 128 numbered patches. Selecting one of these does not produce any of the sounds I have loaded into GPO. No reply so far to my email to GPO Support. Hi John, First off, it sounds like you are maybe using the wrong application. You need to launch the application called Personal Orchestra Studio, otherwise known as GPO Studio -- NOT Personal Orchestra, AKA the GPO Kontakt Player. The GPO Kontakt Player does not talk to Finale -- only GPO Studio does that. GPO Studio is not installed by default, you have to install it separately. So, Step 1 -- make sure GPO Studio is installed. Step 2 -- Launch GPO Studio. (Do NOT launch Personal Orchestra. Do NOT launch Finale yet.) The GPO Studio interface window says Garritan Personal Orchestra Studio in the title bar, and has eight little keyboards labeled Player 1, Player 2, etc. When you click on Player 1 it should spawn a new window, with Garritan Personal Orchestra 1 in the title bar. If this doesn't happen for some reason, there is a serious problem with your installation of GPO and you should delete everything (including preferences) and reinstall. As I have said a couple of times before, the General MIDI instrument names you see in Finale's instrument list have NOTHING TO DO with the instruments you load in GPO Studio. The ONLY thing that influences what sound you hear in Finale is the staff's CHANNEL NUMBER. So, if for example, the top staff in your Finale score is set to Channel 1 in the instrument list, then it will play whatever instrument you have loaded into the first slot of Player 1 in GPO Studio -- that is, provided Finale's MIDI Setup options are set correctly. And, as we have been talking about in this thread, you have to re-do your MIDI Setup options in Finale every time you launch Finale. In addition to re-reading Adam Burford's tutorial, you may want to check out the GPO forum at Northern Sounds: http://northernsounds.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=39 This forum is monitored by Gary Garritan himself, as well as lots of GPO power users, so if you find you still can't figure things out, you might want to ask your tech support questions there. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure spacing handles
Owain Sutton wrote: I few weeks ago, I posted bemoaning the lack of the ability to click-and-drag measure widths. I've just realised there's an option in the Measure tool to do this (Measure - Show measure spacing handles, turned off by default). Is this new, or has it always been there? In other words, for how long have I been wasting time adjusting measure widths by other means?! I don't recall any such feature in Fin 2k3, which was the last version I knew. ... and just in case you're unaware of it, if you drag the bar widths in scroll view as opposed to page view, it doesn't squash or lengthen the following bars. Quite handy! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Fwd: Questions re Finale 2004
In a message dated 3/14/2005 8:12:09 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you need a word extension? The underscore is now used as a trigger for word extensions, and there is no way to type one. Phil Sr. Customer Support Representative MakeMusic! Inc. Thought some of you might want to know about this. Sure hope they fix it!! Sandra ---BeginMessage--- Hello, Try to register it again. If it fails, let me know, and send me your serial number. Do you need a word extension? The underscore is now used as a trigger for word extensions, and there is no way to type one. Phil Sr. Customer Support Representative MakeMusic! Inc. Please include all previous correspondence relating to this issue in your reply. Did we answer your question? Click here to comment on the quality of our Technical Support: http://www.finalemusic.com/support/comments.asp?tech=Phil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 1:03 PM To: WinSupport Subject: Questions re Finale 2004 I have two questions concerning Finale 2004. 1. I recently purchased a new computer and installed Fin 2004. I have this version on my old computer and registered it when it was installed. Now it is giving me a few days to register it again. What do I do? 2. When I type in lyrics, it will not let me type an underline. I am not trying to underline a word I just need to be able to type the underline. This has been possible in all other versions. Can you tell me what I need to do? Sandra Blackwell ---End Message--- ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Hi Darcy Thanks for trying to help. The GPO Studio interface window says Garritan Personal Orchestra Studio in the title bar, and has eight little keyboards labeled Player 1, Player 2, etc. When you click on Player 1 it should spawn a new window, with Garritan Personal Orchestra 1 in the title bar. No, nothing happens. If this doesn't happen for some reason, there is a serious problem with your installation of GPO and you should delete everything (including preferences) and reinstall. So I deleted every mention of GPO from the computer and reinstalled. However I now have no GPO Studio at all, working or otherwise. So maybe my installation disks at at fault. I'll try the GPO forum as you suggest. Thanks again for your advice, John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
John, Like I said in my last post, GPO Studio is a separate installation. It is not installed automatically. Put GPO Disc 4 in your computer and install GPO Studio from there. Or, better, download the most recent version from Garritan's web site. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Mar 2005, at 4:39 PM, John Bell wrote: Hi Darcy Thanks for trying to help. The GPO Studio interface window says Garritan Personal Orchestra Studio in the title bar, and has eight little keyboards labeled Player 1, Player 2, etc. When you click on Player 1 it should spawn a new window, with Garritan Personal Orchestra 1 in the title bar. No, nothing happens. If this doesn't happen for some reason, there is a serious problem with your installation of GPO and you should delete everything (including preferences) and reinstall. So I deleted every mention of GPO from the computer and reinstalled. However I now have no GPO Studio at all, working or otherwise. So maybe my installation disks at at fault. I'll try the GPO forum as you suggest. Thanks again for your advice, John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Also -- I forgot to mention, but this is very important: Once you've installed any GPO components, DO NOT MOVE THEM from their default locations. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Mar 2005, at 4:39 PM, John Bell wrote: Hi Darcy Thanks for trying to help. The GPO Studio interface window says Garritan Personal Orchestra Studio in the title bar, and has eight little keyboards labeled Player 1, Player 2, etc. When you click on Player 1 it should spawn a new window, with Garritan Personal Orchestra 1 in the title bar. No, nothing happens. If this doesn't happen for some reason, there is a serious problem with your installation of GPO and you should delete everything (including preferences) and reinstall. So I deleted every mention of GPO from the computer and reinstalled. However I now have no GPO Studio at all, working or otherwise. So maybe my installation disks at at fault. I'll try the GPO forum as you suggest. Thanks again for your advice, John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Yes Darcy, I installed GPO studio from disk 4 but when I open it I get error: VST Directory does not exist!! then error: Can't find template:/Applications/templates/empty.gpo Then I get the 8 little keyboards but clicking on them does absolutely nothing. On disk 4 there is a folder called VST Plugins. Should I copy that somewhere? John On 14 Mar 2005, at 21:45, Darcy James Argue wrote: John, Like I said in my last post, GPO Studio is a separate installation. It is not installed automatically. Put GPO Disc 4 in your computer and install GPO Studio from there. Or, better, download the most recent version from Garritan's web site. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Mar 2005, at 4:39 PM, John Bell wrote: Hi Darcy Thanks for trying to help. The GPO Studio interface window says Garritan Personal Orchestra Studio in the title bar, and has eight little keyboards labeled Player 1, Player 2, etc. When you click on Player 1 it should spawn a new window, with Garritan Personal Orchestra 1 in the title bar. No, nothing happens. If this doesn't happen for some reason, there is a serious problem with your installation of GPO and you should delete everything (including preferences) and reinstall. So I deleted every mention of GPO from the computer and reinstalled. However I now have no GPO Studio at all, working or otherwise. So maybe my installation disks at at fault. I'll try the GPO forum as you suggest. Thanks again for your advice, John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Not that I know anyhting about GPO, but perhaps you are on an earlier System version (that is, Mac OS X version, not GPO version) than GPO supports? VST plugins have standard folders in the library folders of the system. If they don't exist this seems to indicate that you are using a System version which didn't have these standard folders. Just a thought... Johannes John Bell schrieb: Yes Darcy, I installed GPO studio from disk 4 but when I open it I get error: VST Directory does not exist!! then error: Can't find template:/Applications/templates/empty.gpo Then I get the 8 little keyboards but clicking on them does absolutely nothing. On disk 4 there is a folder called VST Plugins. Should I copy that somewhere? John On 14 Mar 2005, at 21:45, Darcy James Argue wrote: John, Like I said in my last post, GPO Studio is a separate installation. It is not installed automatically. Put GPO Disc 4 in your computer and install GPO Studio from there. Or, better, download the most recent version from Garritan's web site. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Mar 2005, at 4:39 PM, John Bell wrote: Hi Darcy Thanks for trying to help. The GPO Studio interface window says Garritan Personal Orchestra Studio in the title bar, and has eight little keyboards labeled Player 1, Player 2, etc. When you click on Player 1 it should spawn a new window, with Garritan Personal Orchestra 1 in the title bar. No, nothing happens. If this doesn't happen for some reason, there is a serious problem with your installation of GPO and you should delete everything (including preferences) and reinstall. So I deleted every mention of GPO from the computer and reinstalled. However I now have no GPO Studio at all, working or otherwise. So maybe my installation disks at at fault. I'll try the GPO forum as you suggest. Thanks again for your advice, John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Garageband
GarageBand doesn't allow saving as MIDI: you can only convert the files to an audio format (AIFF, MP3 etc.) Michael Cook [I have already posted this on the Sibelius list - sorry for cross-postings!] I have a colleague that wants to make a file on GarageBand, save it as MIDI, and then import it into either Finale or Sibelius. The problem is on the front end - can GarageBand save its files as MIDI, and, if so, how does one do so? Thanks! Jamin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
On 14 Mar 2005, at 22:15, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Not that I know anyhting about GPO, but perhaps you are on an earlier System version (that is, Mac OS X version, not GPO version) than GPO supports? VST plugins have standard folders in the library folders of the system. If they don't exist this seems to indicate that you are using a System version which didn't have these standard folders. No that's not it, I'm on Mac OS 10.3.8. Anyway I put the VST plugins in the folder with GPO, which now no longer complains that it can't find it. However I can't persuade Finale to use the Garritan sounds. I set flute 1 to channel 1, 2 to 2 etc and loaded flutes into those channels in GPO, but I don't get playback from GPO. Do I need somehow to turn off SoftSynth, because that's where my sounds are coming from? John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
On 14 Mar 2005, at 4:58 PM, John Bell wrote: Yes Darcy, I installed GPO studio from disk 4 but when I open it I get error: VST Directory does not exist!! then error: Can't find template:/Applications/templates/empty.gpo Then I get the 8 little keyboards but clicking on them does absolutely nothing. Okay, this is weird. You should ask about that on the Northern Sounds forums, because I don't know what's causing that problem. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
On 14 Mar 2005, at 6:46 PM, John Bell wrote: No that's not it, I'm on Mac OS 10.3.8. Anyway I put the VST plugins in the folder with GPO, which now no longer complains that it can't find it. I don't know if that was such a good idea. You shouldn't have to move folders anywhere, and moving folders is generally very bad for GPO. I would definitely ask about this on the Northern Sounds forum. However I can't persuade Finale to use the Garritan sounds. I set flute 1 to channel 1, 2 to 2 etc and loaded flutes into those channels in GPO, but I don't get playback from GPO. If GPO Studio isn't working correctly -- i.e., if you still have the problem where nothing happens when you click on GPO Player 1 -- then you will never get playback from GPO. Do I need somehow to turn off SoftSynth, because that's where my sounds are coming from? Yes. As I told the last time you asked this question, you need to turn Internal Speaker Playback in Finale OFF. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:48:28 +0100, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I just tried it, too, and it seems you are right. So perhaps it was corrected in 2k5b, which seems to indicate it was a Finale problem after all (although it only showed in Reader 5, and not in Reader 6). I guess all is well now! If that's the case, that is great news. It was _so_ much easier to print directly to pdf. I'll send some files off to my publishers tomorrow and ask them what happens when they print out. The problem with this bug was that, while there were workarounds (such as not using Acrobat Reader 5!), it meant you couldn't rely on the output if you didn't have a postscript printer to check. I'd happily been sending pdf files to my publishers for the last 6 or 7 years, so I was really upset by this problem. It mired what has probably been the most stable OS I'd ever used. David ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:15:47 -0500, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 14 Mar 2005, at 4:42 AM, David Horne wrote: Just to confirm the problem still persists in 2005b. OK, I've tried some tests and this problem seems consistent on my set up. I'd be interested to know if anyone has the same problem. If not, there's something bizarre going on at my side. Try this with OS X- create a new finale file (default document or via setup wizard)- only need one staff in any bar, create a triplet with a quaver (8th) and crotchet (quarter) (or vice versa) in one crotchet beat complile postscript listing (include all fonts) double click on the .ps file- this should open up in Preview do you see the tuplet? Yes. I used the original Maestro Default file that shipped with Finale 2005, and I used the default settings for Compile PostScript Listing (Include All Fonts is checked by default). This is with Fin2005b and OS X 10.3.8. [] At any rate, it sounds like there's something seriously screwy with your system, and I'd once again advise you to manually delete, then reinstall, all of your Finale fonts. Darcy, can you confirm that you were using engraver tuplets? If not, what happens if you do? If someone else replicated my problem, I'm inclined to think it's a bug, rather than a local problem with my setup. David ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
On 15 Mar 2005, at 00:56, Darcy James Argue wrote: No that's not it, I'm on Mac OS 10.3.8. Anyway I put the VST plugins in the folder with GPO, which now no longer complains that it can't find it. I don't know if that was such a good idea. You shouldn't have to move folders anywhere, and moving folders is generally very bad for GPO. I would definitely ask about this on the Northern Sounds forum. Well it may not have been such a good idea but it *did* get GPO Studio to behave as it should -- I now get the players appearing when I click on Player 1 etc and I can load up sounds in their slots. Do I need somehow to turn off SoftSynth, because that's where my sounds are coming from? Yes. As I told the last time you asked this question, you need to turn Internal Speaker Playback in Finale OFF. Sorry, I obviously wasn't paying attention properly. I've now turned it off. I now get no sound from strings but, oddly, the cor anglias and piano play. Whether or not these sounds are coming from Garritan I can't tell. In Speedy, I hear the cor anglais and piano as I enter notes, but no other instruments. In GPO Studio I have loaded: Player 1: Slot 1:cor anglais Slot 2: clarinet Slot 3: piano Player 2: Slots 1-5: Vln I, II, Vla, Vc, Cb These instruments are set to channels 1 - 8, and in Finale, in the Instrument list I have assigned the channels accordingly. Thanks, Darcy, I do appreciate you patience in replying to me. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x
On 14 Mar 2005, at 8:25 PM, David Horne wrote: Darcy, can you confirm that you were using engraver tuplets? If not, what happens if you do? If someone else replicated my problem, I'm inclined to think it's a bug, rather than a local problem with my setup. Hi David, Engraver tuplets, yes. I could not replicate your problem using Fin2005b. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] odd problem with ps files, pdfs in os x
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:35:59 -0500, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 14 Mar 2005, at 8:25 PM, David Horne wrote: Darcy, can you confirm that you were using engraver tuplets? If not, what happens if you do? If someone else replicated my problem, I'm inclined to think it's a bug, rather than a local problem with my setup. Hi David, Engraver tuplets, yes. I could not replicate your problem using Fin2005b. Well, I'm stumped then. I get the problem with 2005b as well. This is on a computer (PB 12) which has only ever had OS X (10.3.3, 10.3.5, 10.3.8) and Fin 2005 installed. Admittedly, it's not an earth-shattering problem, and if the print to pdf random bug is fixed, I don't imagine I'd ever use the compile postscript listings again... David ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
John, set Internal Speaker Playback to OFF. Hal On 14 Mar 2005, at 22:15, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Not that I know anyhting about GPO, but perhaps you are on an earlier System version (that is, Mac OS X version, not GPO version) than GPO supports? VST plugins have standard folders in the library folders of the system. If they don't exist this seems to indicate that you are using a System version which didn't have these standard folders. No that's not it, I'm on Mac OS 10.3.8. Anyway I put the VST plugins in the folder with GPO, which now no longer complains that it can't find it. However I can't persuade Finale to use the Garritan sounds. I set flute 1 to channel 1, 2 to 2 etc and loaded flutes into those channels in GPO, but I don't get playback from GPO. Do I need somehow to turn off SoftSynth, because that's where my sounds are coming from? John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Harold Owen 2830 Emerald St., Eugene, OR 97403 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit my web site at: http://uoregon.edu/~hjowen FAX: (509) 461-3608 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
John, You should set up all 8 instruments in Player 1. MIDI playback should be set to GPO Studio: 1. Hal On 15 Mar 2005, at 00:56, Darcy James Argue wrote: No that's not it, I'm on Mac OS 10.3.8. Anyway I put the VST plugins in the folder with GPO, which now no longer complains that it can't find it. I don't know if that was such a good idea. You shouldn't have to move folders anywhere, and moving folders is generally very bad for GPO. I would definitely ask about this on the Northern Sounds forum. Well it may not have been such a good idea but it *did* get GPO Studio to behave as it should -- I now get the players appearing when I click on Player 1 etc and I can load up sounds in their slots. Do I need somehow to turn off SoftSynth, because that's where my sounds are coming from? Yes. As I told the last time you asked this question, you need to turn Internal Speaker Playback in Finale OFF. Sorry, I obviously wasn't paying attention properly. I've now turned it off. I now get no sound from strings but, oddly, the cor anglias and piano play. Whether or not these sounds are coming from Garritan I can't tell. In Speedy, I hear the cor anglais and piano as I enter notes, but no other instruments. In GPO Studio I have loaded: Player 1: Slot 1:cor anglais Slot 2: clarinet Slot 3: piano Player 2: Slots 1-5: Vln I, II, Vla, Vc, Cb These instruments are set to channels 1 - 8, and in Finale, in the Instrument list I have assigned the channels accordingly. Thanks, Darcy, I do appreciate you patience in replying to me. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Harold Owen 2830 Emerald St., Eugene, OR 97403 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit my web site at: http://uoregon.edu/~hjowen FAX: (509) 461-3608 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Gosh, it sounds bad. Here's a stab in the dark. Are the modulation wheels in GPO studio set to zero? steve On Mar 14, 2005, at 11:11 PM, John Bell wrote: On 15 Mar 2005, at 04:33, Harold Owen wrote: John, set Internal Speaker Playback to OFF. Yes, Hal, I've set it to off. And I've set the Instruments in the Instrument List to the channels that match those in GPO. Some sounds play back. Others do not. I'm still very much in the dark here. Dark as in black gloom despair. Regards John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - Garageband
I was told there was some way you could kludge a MIDI save by sending the output to MIDI. --Lynn On Mar 14, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Michael Cook wrote: GarageBand doesn't allow saving as MIDI: you can only convert the files to an audio format (AIFF, MP3 etc.) Michael Cook [I have already posted this on the Sibelius list - sorry for cross-postings!] I have a colleague that wants to make a file on GarageBand, save it as MIDI, and then import it into either Finale or Sibelius. The problem is on the front end - can GarageBand save its files as MIDI, and, if so, how does one do so? Thanks! Jamin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
