Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread A-NO-NE Music
I have Zoom H2, and it sounds really bad. I gave it to my wife for recording her classes. My bass player has Edirol R-09, which sounds much better. I didn't consider MicroTrack since it didn't meet my needs. I probably won't consider Yamaha either since I don't agree with their design

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread Darcy James Argue
What microphones are you using? My experience is that all of these units sound very similar when using the same mics at the same quality settings. And I'm sorry, but the idea that there is no way something this small could sound great is absurd. It's the microphones used that make the

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Darcy James Argue / 08.5.7 / 11:37 AM wrote: And I'm sorry, but the idea that there is no way something this small could sound great is absurd. It's the microphones used that make the most difference -- the recorder itself makes comparatively little difference. While I agree microphone

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Wed, May 7, 2008 12:26 pm, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Also there is no way to use decent microphone if the device has no balanced input (except Zoom H4). The Microtrack is balanced (TRS). Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz / 08.5.7 / 0:36 PM wrote: The Microtrack is balanced (TRS). Sorry I missed that. But I think carrying decent microphones with these devices kinda defeats the purpose. Even with balanced input, none of these devices provides phantom, meaning you have to add external pre if

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Has anyone used the ZOOM H2 and found it satisfactory? Dean On May 7, 2008, at 7:30 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: I have Zoom H2, and it sounds really bad. I gave it to my wife for recording her classes. My bass player has Edirol R-09, which sounds much better. I didn't consider MicroTrack

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Wed, May 7, 2008 12:52 pm, A-NO-NE Music wrote: none of these devices provides phantom The Microtrack has phantom. Gotta read those specs. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread Eric Dannewitz
I'm chiming in with a vote for a Marantz flash recorder. I have one that I've been using for 4 years now, and it is a workhorse. Phantom power, records to compact flash. I can get 3+ hours of recording at 44.1 uncompressed. I use a Rode NT4 mic. They probably have better units now.and

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Dean M. Estabrook / 08.5.7 / 0:54 PM wrote: Has anyone used the ZOOM H2 and found it satisfactory? Again, my comparison between my Zoom H2 and my bass player's Edirol R-09 was done on our weekly gig. We made the setup as similar possible, and placed at the same location. The difference was

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Dennis, While I've been generally happy with the results from my Edirol R-1 digital recorder plus Core Sound binaural capsule mics, if I did have, say, $1000 to spend on a new portable digital recorder plus mics (which I don't, but let's say I did), I am curious what you would

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread Eric Dannewitz
1/4? And how long can it record with it's batteries when using Phantom power? I know my little Marantz box can do over 3 hours driving a stereo mic. If I had a bigger compact flash cartridge, like a 4 gig one, I might be able to go 6 hours. I should try it. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Dennis

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Wed, May 7, 2008 1:06 pm, Eric Dannewitz wrote: I'm chiming in with a vote for a Marantz flash recorder. I have one that I've been using for 4 years now, and it is a workhorse. Phantom power, records to compact flash. I can get 3+ hours of recording at 44.1 uncompressed. I use a Rode NT4

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz / 08.5.7 / 1:02 PM wrote: The Microtrack has phantom. Gotta read those specs. :) Shoot! I am keep embarrassing myself, huh. The reason why I didn't include Microtrack for my comparison on my purchase was, aside from I didn't want to carry external microphones, I remember

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Wed, May 7, 2008 1:13 pm, Darcy James Argue wrote: While I've been generally happy with the results from my Edirol R-1 digital recorder plus Core Sound binaural capsule mics, if I did have, say, $1000 to spend on a new portable digital recorder plus mics (which I don't, but let's say I

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Wed, May 7, 2008 1:18 pm, Eric Dannewitz wrote: 1/4? And how long can it record with it's batteries when using Phantom power? I don't know, since I keep battery packs in my pocket. Whenever the little icon goes down to half, I plug them in. The spec rates mine at 3-4 hours and the

[Finale] Mics (WAS: Recorder)

2008-05-07 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Dennis, Thanks. What mics do you usually use with the Microtrack? I am mostly interested in what mic options exist for portable digital recorders. Obviously, the availability of balanced inputs and even phantom power in a portable recorder expands the landscape considerably. I first got

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
By the way, I recorded this from row 14 left with the Microtrack on my knee, using its own T-mic: http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/waam/fanfare-heat-premiere.mp3 It's the Vermont Youth Orchestra playing my Fanfare:Heat this past Sunday. They'll send a pro recording, but I just had to

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread Christopher Smith
On 7-May-08, at 1:18 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: 1/4? And how long can it record with it's batteries when using Phantom power? I know my little Marantz box can do over 3 hours driving a stereo mic. If I had a bigger compact flash cartridge, like a 4 gig one, I might be able to go 6 hours.

Re: [Finale] Mics (WAS: Recorder)

2008-05-07 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Wed, May 7, 2008 1:43 pm, Darcy James Argue wrote: What mics do you usually use with the Microtrack? I am mostly interested in what mic options exist for portable digital recorders. I try to be minimal. When I have to be really portable (everything in one small bag -- charger and cable,

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread dhbailey
Darcy James Argue wrote: What microphones are you using? My experience is that all of these units sound very similar when using the same mics at the same quality settings. And I'm sorry, but the idea that there is no way something this small could sound great is absurd. It's the microphones

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread Andrew Levin
I'm interested in this recorder discussion, too, though there's something that I haven't heard discussed. I have a small Olympic recorder. Nice machine for catching my son's voice, etc, but hits a wall when a full orchestra plays Tchaikovsky. Clips the loud parts. With all of the recorders

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread Christopher Smith
On 7-May-08, at 12:52 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz / 08.5.7 / 0:36 PM wrote: The Microtrack is balanced (TRS). Sorry I missed that. But I think carrying decent microphones with these devices kinda defeats the purpose. Even with balanced input, none of these devices

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread Christopher Smith
On 7-May-08, at 12:26 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Darcy James Argue / 08.5.7 / 11:37 AM wrote: And I'm sorry, but the idea that there is no way something this small could sound great is absurd. It's the microphones used that make the most difference -- the recorder itself makes comparatively

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Andrew Levin / 08.5.7 / 2:32 PM wrote: I have a small Olympic recorder. Nice machine for catching my son's voice, etc, but hits a wall when a full orchestra plays Tchaikovsky. Clips the loud parts. With all of the recorders mentioned can you set input levels? Or do they have built-in compressors

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
I'd say that's pretty impressive. Thanks for sharing. Dean On May 7, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: By the way, I recorded this from row 14 left with the Microtrack on my knee, using its own T-mic: http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/waam/fanfare-heat- premiere.mp3

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread Darcy James Argue
Most recorders have an analog -20 db input level switch for recording loud sources. My Edirol R-1 does not have an analog switch, and requires a somewhat convoluted method of reducing the input level digitally, which is one of the two things I find most frustrating about it. (The other is

Re: [Finale] OT - Recorder

2008-05-07 Thread David W. Fenton
On 7 May 2008 at 13:11, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Dean M. Estabrook / 08.5.7 / 0:54 PM wrote: Has anyone used the ZOOM H2 and found it satisfactory? Again, my comparison between my Zoom H2 and my bass player's Edirol R-09 was done on our weekly gig. We made the setup as similar possible, and

[Finale] OT: Recorders

2008-05-07 Thread Dick Hauser
Haven't been reading this thread until today, so someone may have already posted this link, but I thought this site: http://www.wingfieldaudio.com/portable-recorder-sound-samples.html Very helpful. Dick H ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] OT: Recorders

2008-05-07 Thread Chuck Israels
It's hard for me to get the information I'd like to have about the subtle differences among these machines when the playback files have been compressed to this extent. I don't find the differences among the results to be significant for simple snapshot recording needs. (I hear differences

Re: [Finale] OT: Recorders

2008-05-07 Thread Christopher Smith
I have to agree with Chuck. What were they thinking? Any tiny flaws in the mics or A/D conversion is completely obliterated by the mp3 encoding, which introduces WAY more audio skewing than any of these machines ever originally showed. Christopher On May 7, 2008, at 8:01 PM, Chuck