[Finale] Best way to notate this
In an orchestration, I have a 3/4 measure where on beat 2 everyone has a half note with fermata. I want the snare to roll on beat 2 but not through the entire fermata. I have snare notated as q rest, q w/ roll, q note w/ fermata (i.e., roll stops on 3). Of course, there is no three, practically speaking. Is this acceptable or how else should I get the desired effect from the snare if not? And if I merely want the snare to stop rolling, without a specific strike on the last q, should I tie 2 to 3? Richard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Best way to notate this
Hi Richard, This will be a lot more clear if, for all the other parts, you break the half note on beat two into two tied quarters, and just put the fermata on beat three for everyone. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:18 PM, Richard Huggins wrote: In an orchestration, I have a 3/4 measure where on beat 2 everyone has a half note with fermata. I want the snare to roll on beat 2 but not through the entire fermata. I have snare notated as q rest, q w/ roll, q note w/ fermata (i.e., roll stops on 3). Of course, there is no three, practically speaking. Is this acceptable or how else should I get the desired effect from the snare if not? And if I merely want the snare to stop rolling, without a specific strike on the last q, should I tie 2 to 3? Richard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2006/2007 copy strangeness
A scratch staff is a staff just the same, and perhaps one of the MIDI channels assigned to 1-4 also is assigned to 5. Make sure 5 has its own MIDI channel. As for copying, make sure she looks at Items to Copy and de-select Performance Data. I don't know (because I've never tried it) but perhaps you can actually copy the MIDI assignment as well, so that when she pastes it into the scratch staff it changes that staff to the same MIDI assignment as the original. Richard On Aug 31, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Ralph Whitfield wrote: I have a friend who has posed me a question that I can't replicate. Setup: 5 staves: staff 1: Soprano/Alto - Midi channel 1, Choir Ahs staff 2: Tenor/Bass - Midi channel 2, Choir Ahs staff 3: Piano RH - Midi channel 3, piano staff 4: Piano LH - Midi channel 3, piano staff 5: scratch staff: The problem started occurring when she created the scratch staff. Every time she copies something from one of the voice staves (for cues or whatever). When she changes the midi channel and voice on the scratch staff, the midi channel and the voice changes on whatever staff she copied from. I can't for the life of me figure out how she got it this way. Any advice on how to get it back to normal operation? (Of if this is normal operation, what am I missing? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Best way to notate this
There's no problem with the notation you describe. Darcy suggests breaking the half into two tied quarters, but I consider this unnecessary. It might even give players the idea of putting a slight accent on the third beat. It's common to have a fermata on a long note in some parts while other parts keep moving, arriving at a fermata later in the measure. If the conductor is clear, nobody will be confused! If you don't want any hint of an accent on three in the snare drum, you could put a rest with fermata on the third beat in the drum part. If you want the drum to stop exactly on 3, it's probably best to put an eighth note on beat three, followed by an eighth note with a fermata. Michael On 2 sept. 08, at 19:18, Richard Huggins wrote: In an orchestration, I have a 3/4 measure where on beat 2 everyone has a half note with fermata. I want the snare to roll on beat 2 but not through the entire fermata. I have snare notated as q rest, q w/ roll, q note w/ fermata (i.e., roll stops on 3). Of course, there is no three, practically speaking. Is this acceptable or how else should I get the desired effect from the snare if not? And if I merely want the snare to stop rolling, without a specific strike on the last q, should I tie 2 to 3? Richard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Best way to notate this
A little explanation might be useful (or not..heh)... In a rehearsal where the part was as it currently is, the intended effect was realized, just through common sense and musicianship on the part of the drummer. I'm now cleaning up various items, changes, etc. and I noticed the inconsistency. I value precision for the very reason Darcy gave, and the idea of changing the half-notes occurred to me, now affirmed here. However, I'm having the musicians change their score rather then issue new parts, so I was wondering if I could avoid a comparatively significant correction such as that. In short, the drummer would be unlikely to see any cues or beats, because he's the only one still doing something after beat 2 lands, and in the interest of precision no matter who plays it, I'll probably change the half notes. Although... (heh heh) Thanks for the opinions. Richard On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:46 PM, Michael Cook wrote: There's no problem with the notation you describe. Darcy suggests breaking the half into two tied quarters, but I consider this unnecessary. It might even give players the idea of putting a slight accent on the third beat. It's common to have a fermata on a long note in some parts while other parts keep moving, arriving at a fermata later in the measure. If the conductor is clear, nobody will be confused! If you don't want any hint of an accent on three in the snare drum, you could put a rest with fermata on the third beat in the drum part. If you want the drum to stop exactly on 3, it's probably best to put an eighth note on beat three, followed by an eighth note with a fermata. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Best way to notate this
At 12:18 PM -0500 9/2/08, Richard Huggins wrote: In an orchestration, I have a 3/4 measure where on beat 2 everyone has a half note with fermata. I want the snare to roll on beat 2 but not through the entire fermata. I have snare notated as q rest, q w/ roll, q note w/ fermata (i.e., roll stops on 3). Of course, there is no three, practically speaking. I'm with Darcy and David, in favor of making it as idiot-proof as possible. And this would also keep the conductor from wondering whether to beat all 3 beats. But in regard to your last sentence, there IS a beat 3 if the conductor gives one!! Is this acceptable or how else should I get the desired effect from the snare if not? And if I merely want the snare to stop rolling, without a specific strike on the last q, should I tie 2 to 3? I probably would, but without an accent and perhaps with a decresc. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Best way to notate this
Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Richard, This will be a lot more clear if, for all the other parts, you break the half note on beat two into two tied quarters, and just put the fermata on beat three for everyone. Darcy took the words right out of my mouth -- what he has described is the most clear for everybody. I can't tell you how many times I've had to waste valuable rehearsal time while my community band tries to figure out who is and who isn't supposed to hold in such situations. People who are supposed to play beat 2 and drop out figure that since everybody else is holding, they're supposed to hold also and their part isn't printed correctly. Or if I try to give a cutoff for those who are supposed to drop out on beat three while everybody else holds, half the people with the fermata think I was giving them the cutoff as well. Even when I explain, Left hand is the cutoff for people who do *fermatas* and right hand is for those who *do* have the fermatas they get mixed up. But cutting that half note into two quarter notes with the fermata on beat 3 for everybody (including over the rest on beat three for the snare drum) makes it abundantly clear who is and who isn't supposed to be playing. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Measure numbers in score vs. linked parts
David H. Bailey wrote: In the interim, concerning measure number regions, though, there is a workaround I remember discussing when linked parts were first introduced: Define two regions -- this is only workable if you only have one region to begin with -- otherwise you have to define two different regions for each original region. One region places things as you want them in the score. The other region places things where you want them in the parts. When getting the score ready to print, you set the region for the score to start numbering from measure 1 and set the other region to start numbering from some measure number higher than the last measure of the piece. When getting ready to work with the parts, you set that region to start numbering from measure 1 and set the original region to start numbering from some number higher than the last measure of the piece. It's workable if you only have one region, but if you have two or more original regions (incorporating partial measures, endings, whatever) it's a royal pain in the butt and something which we shouldn't have to deal with. Actually, there's a much easier way to turn on/off which measure number regions will print than changing the measure number X through XX settings- simply change the Viewable In: setting at the bottom of the Measure Number dialog. This works with any number of regions you have set up. Brian Williams ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
