I know it can be done ... I think. But I can't remember how to do it, nor
find it in the pdf manual for Finale 2004.
How do I create a beam that straddles two staves, please?
I only want to create 4 note beams for quavers [eighth notes].
Thansk for your help.
David McKay
On Sun, June 28, 2009 5:50 am, David McKay wrote:
How do I create a beam that straddles two staves, please?
I use the note mover tool to drag notes from one staff to the other, then a
combination of the note reverser tool (or whatever it's called) to put the
noteheads on the correct side of the
patterson tools
click, bang, boom!
(There's probably an easier way by now, but I've been doing that for
too long to have noticed any new method!)
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Can you do it with Patterson tools in Finale 2004?
Can you explain how, please?
Thanks
David McKay
2009/6/28 shirling neueweise shirl...@newmusicnotation.com
patterson tools
click, bang, boom!
(There's probably an easier way by now, but I've been doing that for too
long to have noticed
On Sun, June 28, 2009 6:53 am, shirling neueweise wrote:
patterson tools
click, bang, boom!
Your mean there's a beam-across-staves in there? I use beam-over-barlines all
the time! I'll have to look...
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i seem to remember doing it back in F2003
select the notes you want beamed, select the Patterson Beam over
Barlines PI, just give it a whirl, it's really intuitive, you may
need to adjust the settings to your liking.
Can you do it with Patterson tools in Finale 2004?
Can I do it in Patterson plugins lite? What about cross staves in TG
Tools?
David McKay
2009/6/28 David McKay davidmcka...@gmail.com
Sorry. I need a lot more explicit help here. Are you sure beam over
barlines will beam from one staff to another? How do you select notes? What
tool should I be
Can I do it in Patterson plugins lite?
i don't know, why don't you give it a try and let us know.
What about cross staves in TGTools?
sounds like this is a different thing, have never used it though
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Sorry. I need a lot more explicit help here. Are you sure beam over
barlines will beam from one staff to another? How do you select notes? What
tool should I be using?
Thanks
David McKay
2009/6/28 shirling neueweise shirl...@newmusicnotation.com
i seem to remember doing it back in F2003
I can get beam over barlines to connect from one bar to the other, by
seelcting two bars in mass mover, but I can't get it to beam notes on one
stave to another, as I want to do.
David McKay
2009/6/28 shirling neueweise shirl...@newmusicnotation.com
Can I do it in Patterson plugins lite?
Thanks very much for this Robert!
David McKay
2009/6/28 Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com
In Finale, Beam Across Staff is called Cross Staff. It is one of
the options in the Note Mover tool. Moving the notes to another staff
is simple, but then there may be further cleanup to do
Success! Easy peasy. Thanks so much.
David McKay
2009/6/28 David McKay davidmcka...@gmail.com
Thanks very much for this Robert!
David McKay
2009/6/28 Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com
In Finale, Beam Across Staff is called Cross Staff. It is one of
the options in the Note Mover
Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Owain Sutton m...@owainsutton.co.ukwrote:
Measuring 'numbers of clicks' isn't a good way of rating productivity,
however - I very rarely resort to the mouse to make such changes, in Word or
in OpenOffice. Multiple clicks either
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 26 Jun 2009 at 21:00, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
I have several friends that are graphic designers, and I'm in awe of
watching them work in Photoshop or Illustrator without having to use the
mouse at all. When I asked about it, they told me their productivity would
Owain Sutton wrote:
I'm with you here. The absence of consistent access to 'properties' in
Finale context menus is one thing I'm regularly surprised by anew. They
seem, instead, to be 'things we guess you might want to do' menus.
Funny how people are dissing Sibelius for not providing a
Owain Sutton wrote:
I can see how the regular use of a persistent 'properties' window makes
sense for some users, who will be routinely modifying all sorts of details.
However, I think what is the unspoken query here is Why can't I change
the appearance of text as easily as in Word? In other
DANIEL CARNO wrote:
Interesting thread guys,
First of all, you can right-click directly on an object in Sibelius and
bring up the context menu.
The properties window is brought to the screen with a keyboard shortcut.
Since Sibelius allows for re-mapping the keyboard to implement most of its
HI folks:
I'm stumped on trying to get things in a drum part to appear and play
back as they should. In almost all the Kontakt 3 drum kits, somewhere
around Middle C is a straight snare shot.. On the onscreen keyboard,
Middle C is that snare shot. SO...being smart, I figured I'd set up
David W. Fenton wrote:
[snip] I don't know. While one could say that Apple had an
agenda, MS came
late to that ballgame.
Why would Apple and Microsoft have an incentive to misrepresent the
research? What good would it do them to design their products to be
less useful than they could be?
Darcy James Argue wrote:
[snip] Regardless, even once I know the actual height of
the character (or
lines of text) I'm trying to center vertically, having to run these
calculations is an enormous pain in the ass. Finale's had vertically
centered text for as long as I've been using the
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 27 Jun 2009 at 19:32, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
On Sat, June 27, 2009 7:25 pm, David W. Fenton wrote:
All I know is what the researchers report, that overall, mousing is
faster than keyboard. I don't know exactly how they tested, but the
results have stood up over
Hi Dana,
You'll have to specify your version of Finale, your system, and your
platform. Everything changed in 2010, so this info is very important.
C.
On Jun 28, 2009, at 9:24 AM, Dana Friedman @ Dragonfly Technologies
wrote:
HI folks:
I'm stumped on trying to get things in a drum
On Jun 28, 2009, at 9:11 AM, dhbailey wrote:
DANIEL CARNO wrote:
Interesting thread guys,
First of all, you can right-click directly on an object in
Sibelius and
bring up the context menu.
The properties window is brought to the screen with a keyboard
shortcut.
Since Sibelius allows for
Friends,
I've stayed out of the affray over whether mice or command line entry is
faster. I do remember reading some of the research when it come out,
however, and one thing I remember from the research is that the test
subjects were drawn from across the spectrum of user abilities, from
Hi...while the statement is correct that you need to specify which version,
etc., I'd make the general statement that it would help you to do some reading
on percussion mapping.
The ***short*** version is:
1. Locate your desired drum in your library (in your case the snare in the K3
kit)
2. Go
Robert Patterson wrote:
In Finale, Beam Across Staff is called Cross Staff. It is one of
the options in the Note Mover tool. Moving the notes to another staff
is simple, but then there may be further cleanup to do with stem and
beam placement after you move the noteheads.
Patterson Plugins has
I'm on a PC so the commands maybe different...
1. R U using the filter? If so make sure it is checked for the elements U
want to copy.
2. I highlight the part and select copyI don't save itI choose from
the Window menu the other score or part...open it and paste the part.
Hope this
On 28 Jun 2009 at 9:13, dhbailey wrote:
Funny how people are dissing Sibelius for not providing a
properties option in right-click menus, yet aren't at the
same time dissing Finale for the same lack. Hmm . . .
This is not about dissing one program or the other. The discussion
started with
I didn't realize the part about using the filter, but I found it, used
it, and was able to copy what i needed from one document to another.
Thanks.
Martin
On Jun 28, 2009, at 12:22 PM, terry cano wrote:
I'm on a PC so the commands maybe different...
1. R U using the filter? If so
On 28 Jun 2009 at 9:21, dhbailey wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 26 Jun 2009 at 21:00, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
I have several friends that are graphic designers, and I'm in awe of
watching them work in Photoshop or Illustrator without having to use the
mouse at all. When I asked
On 28 Jun 2009 at 9:30, dhbailey wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
[snip] I don't know. While one could say that Apple had an
agenda, MS came
late to that ballgame.
Why would Apple and Microsoft have an incentive to misrepresent the
research? What good would it do them to design their
On 28 Jun 2009 at 9:37, dhbailey wrote:
Apple and Microsoft hire very smart people -- and very smart
people know how to manipulate statistics.
Put up or shut up. Either you can provide some citation somewhere
where some expert shows how Apple and MS's research is flawed, or you
have nothing
On 28 Jun 2009 at 9:56, Christopher Smith wrote:
For example, in
previous versions, metatools for dynamics were not preassigned.
Starting from (I think) version 2002, 4 for forte and 7 for piano,
with all the others stepped in between, is so simple and logical, yet
I didn't think of
At 3:30 PM -0400 6/26/09, Darcy James Argue wrote:
And when I am trying to do something I don't know how to do in an
application I'm not 100% familiar with, I tend to look in the
*menus* -- I don't think I'm that unusual in that regard.
And the Properties Window is indeed accessible through
At 4:31 PM -0400 6/26/09, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 26 Jun 2009 at 22:19, Torges Gerhard wrote:
Am 26.06.2009 um 22:12 schrieb David W. Fenton:
If there's a properties sheet that's not accessible on Windows via
right click, then it's a nonstandard implementation of a properties
sheet,
On 28 Jun 2009 at 14:06, John Howell wrote:
At 4:31 PM -0400 6/26/09, David W. Fenton wrote:
Regardless, it should be
accessible via the standard UI convention, and on Windows, that is
right clicking the object to get a shortcut menu that offers a
PROPERTIES choice. There's nothing esoteric
At 8:43 PM -0400 6/26/09, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 26 Jun 2009 at 20:23, John Howell wrote:
and most Mac users don't even have
multi-button mice (although I do happen to have one).
Oh, come on! That dogma went out the window years ago!
I'm afraid I don't know anything about dogma, but
At 6/28/2009 12:56 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Until you can demonstrate that the research is flawed and produces
unreliable results, I'm going to believe those who've actually taken
the time to design mechanisms for testing the proposition, rather
than going with the gut feelings of individual
On 28 Jun 2009 at 14:49, Phil Daley wrote:
At 6/28/2009 12:56 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Until you can demonstrate that the research is flawed and produces
unreliable results, I'm going to believe those who've actually taken
the time to design mechanisms for testing the proposition,
On 28.06.2009 John Howell wrote:
Control + click. Especially useful on trackpad laptops. Just for the record,
I really hated the trackpad when I got my first laptop, but now I'm very
comfortable with it. One gets used to anything with practice.
I have had laptops for more around 12 or 13
On 28.06.2009 Phil Daley wrote:
For one thing, both Apple and Microsoft SELL mouses.
To defend David on this one: they also sell keyboards, no?
If anything they both sell operating systems which relies heavily on the
mouse.
I don't know, I personally don't think such research really tells
At 10:36 AM 6/28/2009, you wrote:
Hi...while the statement is correct that you need to specify which
version, etc.
Yup. Sorry. It was FinMac 2009.
, I'd make the general statement that it would help you to do some
reading on percussion mapping.
The ***short*** version is:
1. Locate your
On 28 Jun 2009, at 1:56 PM, John Howell wrote:
At 3:30 PM -0400 6/26/09, Darcy James Argue wrote:
And when I am trying to do something I don't know how to do in an
application I'm not 100% familiar with, I tend to look in the
*menus* -- I don't think I'm that unusual in that regard.
And
FWIW ... I'm finding life a lot easier dealing with perc. in 2010 ...
and, the sounds are pretty reasonable ... at least in the Drum Kit
library.
Dean
On Jun 28, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Dana Friedman wrote:
At 10:36 AM 6/28/2009, you wrote:
Hi...while the statement is correct that you need to
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 28.06.2009 Phil Daley wrote:
For one thing, both Apple and Microsoft SELL mouses.
To defend David on this one: they also sell keyboards, no?
If anything they both sell operating systems which relies heavily on the
mouse.
I don't know, I personally don't think
Darcy James Argue wrote:
... show me *any* other application, of any kind, that deals with
fonts and does not have a dedicated Font menu or Font panel.
Sibelius's way of working may seem logical in retrospect, but it's
totally unlike anything else out there. It's not just different from
On 28 Jun 2009 at 23:30, Owain Sutton wrote:
I think a return put-up-or-show-up is necessary: if the research wasn't
done by observing up-to-date computer-literate users on recent operating
systems, then it's fundamentally flawed for the present discussion.
Look, this research has been done
I'm transcribing John Williams' handwritten score to Jurassic Park and
I've come across something I've never seen before.
One of the cues (originally titled Preparing to Meet the Monster and
titled Eye to Eye on the soundtrack album) has four percussion lines.
Three are notated simply Percussion
According to Wikipedia Mike Fisher is a percussionist and studio musician
in Malibu, CA. Maybe John Williams wrote the part with that percussionist in
mind? (Although I do like the idea of an instrument by that name). The
internet movie database has him listed, including a number of films where he
Almost surely, this is an indication that Mike Fisher should play
this part, and that John had a sound in mind that he was sure he could
get out of whatever Mike would be playing. This is not mysterious.
Chuck
On Jun 28, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Blake Richardson wrote:
I'm transcribing John
Blake Richardson wrote:
I'm transcribing John Williams' handwritten score to Jurassic Park and
I've come across something I've never seen before.
One of the cues (originally titled Preparing to Meet the Monster and
titled Eye to Eye on the soundtrack album) has four percussion lines.
Three are
At 7:23 PM -0400 6/28/09, Blake Richardson wrote:
I'm transcribing John Williams' handwritten score to Jurassic Park and
I've come across something I've never seen before.
So basically my question is, has anyone out there heard of a percussion
instrument called Mike Fisher?
I deliberately
David W. Fenton wrote:
I don't know the study designs, nor do I know the nature of the
testing or the user population.
I don't get where this kind of statistical illiteracy comes from...
Wanting to know the basic details of a study before accepting an
assertion of results is
On Jun 28, 2009, at 12:56 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Until you can demonstrate that the research is flawed and produces
unreliable results, I'm going to believe those who've actually taken
the time to design mechanisms for testing the proposition, rather
than going with the gut feelings of
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