RE: [Finale] print forces update layout??
MassMover, Select all, 'L', locks the layout. Does that prevent the kludge undo? -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Mark D Lew Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 8:51 PM To: Finale-List 3 Subject: [Finale] print forces update layout?? I have a piece that includes a kludge which requires me to NOT update layout. Everything seems fine until I print and then it updates layout anyway and undoes my kludge. Is there a setting somewhere that's doing this? mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
No, it won't. Or if it does, the kludge is no kludge at all, and is unrelated to Update Layout. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 21 May 2010, at 1:26 AM, Richard Yates wrote: MassMover, Select all, 'L', locks the layout. Does that prevent the kludge undo? -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Mark D Lew Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 8:51 PM To: Finale-List 3 Subject: [Finale] print forces update layout?? I have a piece that includes a kludge which requires me to NOT update layout. Everything seems fine until I print and then it updates layout anyway and undoes my kludge. Is there a setting somewhere that's doing this? mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
On May 20, 2010, at 11:30 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: No, it won't. Or if it does, the kludge is no kludge at all, and is unrelated to Update Layout. Hmm, maybe it's not update layout then. Let me be more specific. I've got a piece with a lot of time signature changes and one of them has a parenthetic; that is, it changes to 6/2 but right after the 6/2 it shows 3/1 in parentheses. I know of no way to draw that in the regular time signature, so I've just done it as regular 6/2 and I've created an expression to show the (3/1). I then respace to create extra room after the time signature to fit my expression in. So far, so good, except that this time signature change happens to fall on a system break, which I can't avoid. Therefore I need the parenthesized time signature to appear at the end of the prior system as well. Now it's a problem because that space isn't part of any measure. Finale just ends the previous measure early with only just enough room for the time signature to fit after the barline. Therefore I trick Finale into ending the measure early: I add space to the previous measure, update the layout, and then remove the extra space without updating the layout. This works perfectly on the screen, and I thought it would work perfectly over all, but I find that as soon as I print, Finale sees through my stratagem and moves the barline to the right anyway, pushing my parenthesized expression out into the right margin. There are more elaborate kludges I could resort to, but they are problematic, in part because my client cares about the MusicXML code, not just the printed look, so it's an issue to do things like add an invisible measure. If anyone has a better idea, I'd love to hear it. The basic problem is that I need to created space after the rightmost barline in a system that is showing time signature at the end of the system. Is there somewhere I can define the time signature numeral characters? If I can blank out the plus and some digits I may be able to fake something with a composite time signature. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
That's a bad kludge. Find another, better way to get the result you want. In recent versions, printing forces an update layout. This is a good and sensible thing. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 20 May 2010, at 11:51 PM, Mark D Lew wrote: I have a piece that includes a kludge which requires me to NOT update layout. Everything seems fine until I print and then it updates layout anyway and undoes my kludge. Is there a setting somewhere that's doing this? mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
On May 20, 2010, at 11:09 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: That's a bad kludge. Find another, better way to get the result you want. In recent versions, printing forces an update layout. This is a good and sensible thing. Ugh. OK, well at least that answers my question. Thanks. I see why they'd want printing to force and update layout by default, so that people don't waste paper because they forgot, but I wish there were an option to turn it off for people like me who want to trick Finale into doing things it doesn't naturally do. Since upgrading I've noticed a lot of improvements which are designed to make it less likely you'll need to tweak but at the cost of making it more difficult to do so when you do want to tweak. This is the first one I've noticed where I've lost functionality altogether, though. Do you have another kludge you would recommend for generating space after a courtesy time signature at the end of a system? I'm not sure if an invisible measure will be acceptable, so my only other idea is to blank out the barline and time signature and redraw the whole thing myself. But I'm hoping it doesn't come to that. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
Is there somewhere I can define the time signature numeral characters? If I can blank out the plus and some digits I may be able to fake something with a composite time signature. that will surely give you way more space than you need what about creating an expression of a staff (5 lines, attached to all staves) that is something like 12 EVPUS (or whatever extra you need) and adjusting the system to end 12 EVPUS from the right margin? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
On May 21, 2010, at 2:13 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: that will surely give you way more space than you need Yes, I discovered that. I played with it a bit and it wasn't working. what about creating an expression of a staff (5 lines, attached to all staves) that is something like 12 EVPUS (or whatever extra you need) and adjusting the system to end 12 EVPUS from the right margin? Hmm, that sounds promising. I'm waiting to hear from my editor on this, but I may try that. Thanks. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
I would try exporting graphic before update layout happens, then printing from a PDF file (but I haven't tried it with a problem like this). But maybe that wouldn't meet your client's requirements. -- James Cooper On Friday, May 21, 2010, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote: Is there somewhere I can define the time signature numeral characters? If I can blank out the plus and some digits I may be able to fake something with a composite time signature. that will surely give you way more space than you need what about creating an expression of a staff (5 lines, attached to all staves) that is something like 12 EVPUS (or whatever extra you need) and adjusting the system to end 12 EVPUS from the right margin? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- James Cooper Composer, classical guitarist, songwriter www.ModeZ.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
On Fri, May 21, 2010 2:09 am, Darcy James Argue wrote: That's a bad kludge. Find another, better way to get the result you want. In recent versions, printing forces an update layout. This is a good and sensible thing. Ouch! That explains why my DO NOT UPDATE LAYOUT graphical scores don't work right anymore. Speaking of recent versions, I'm still avoiding 2010 in favor of 2007 except when somebody sends me a newer score. Has 2010 fixed the problem with high eyebrow slurs that show up only when making PDFs? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
On Fri, May 21, 2010 3:18 am, Mark D Lew wrote: Do you have another kludge you would recommend for generating space after a courtesy time signature at the end of a system? Perhaps add a measure, use a 'real' time signature, hide the rest, put in the extra time signature info, adjust the measure width, make the right barline invisible, show the time signature in the next system, and adjust the measure number regions? This time signature problem has been around for a long time for me. I have one client who liberally sprinkles parenthetical time signatures in scores. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
Darcy James Argue wrote: That's a bad kludge. Find another, better way to get the result you want. In recent versions, printing forces an update layout. This is a good and sensible thing. I'm sorry but I have to disagree that printing forcing an update layout with no user control is not a good and sensible thing -- it's software trying to babysit us so that we don't have to think for ourselves. Once I get the layout as I want it I shouldn't have to lock layout just so that an automatic feature of the software which has been added recently can help save someone else who isn't smart enough to update the layout for him/herself when it should be done. A computer program should allow us to simply print what we've done when we click Print without having to worry whether it's going to undo what may have been hours of nudging to get things just right. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
Mark D Lew wrote: On May 20, 2010, at 11:09 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: That's a bad kludge. Find another, better way to get the result you want. In recent versions, printing forces an update layout. This is a good and sensible thing. Ugh. OK, well at least that answers my question. Thanks. I see why they'd want printing to force and update layout by default, so that people don't waste paper because they forgot, but I wish there were an option to turn it off for people like me who want to trick Finale into doing things it doesn't naturally do. Isn't that forced update layout supposed to be why the developers created the Automatic Update Layout option to begin with? That should be sufficient for people who want the layout updated automatically, including when printing, so they don't ever have to think about it again. And for those who want automatic update layout option turned off, that should be sufficient for the program to never update the layout (including at printing time) unless the user specifically updates the layout manually. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: On Fri, May 21, 2010 2:09 am, Darcy James Argue wrote: That's a bad kludge. Find another, better way to get the result you want. In recent versions, printing forces an update layout. This is a good and sensible thing. Ouch! That explains why my DO NOT UPDATE LAYOUT graphical scores don't work right anymore. Ain't progress grand? ;-) -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
Insert the time signature as 6/2 + 3/1 and then go into the time signature settings in doc options and change the + to a blank character in the font and you will see the time as you want it. I've done this very same thing for Bernstein's Overture to WSS 4/4 + 2/4 stuff. You have to set the measures after the initial to the correct time signatures and hide them but otherwise you get the desired look you are wanting. You will have to add the Parenthesis yourself. ___ J. Scott Jones Band/Orchestra Director/Freelance Trumpet Player-Teacher/Music Engraver On May 21, 2010, at 3:04 AM, Mark D Lew wrote: On May 20, 2010, at 11:30 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: No, it won't. Or if it does, the kludge is no kludge at all, and is unrelated to Update Layout. Hmm, maybe it's not update layout then. Let me be more specific. I've got a piece with a lot of time signature changes and one of them has a parenthetic; that is, it changes to 6/2 but right after the 6/2 it shows 3/1 in parentheses. I know of no way to draw that in the regular time signature, so I've just done it as regular 6/2 and I've created an expression to show the (3/1). I then respace to create extra room after the time signature to fit my expression in. So far, so good, except that this time signature change happens to fall on a system break, which I can't avoid. Therefore I need the parenthesized time signature to appear at the end of the prior system as well. Now it's a problem because that space isn't part of any measure. Finale just ends the previous measure early with only just enough room for the time signature to fit after the barline. Therefore I trick Finale into ending the measure early: I add space to the previous measure, update the layout, and then remove the extra space without updating the layout. This works perfectly on the screen, and I thought it would work perfectly over all, but I find that as soon as I print, Finale sees through my stratagem and moves the barline to the right anyway, pushing my parenthesized expression out into the right margin. There are more elaborate kludges I could resort to, but they are problematic, in part because my client cares about the MusicXML code, not just the printed look, so it's an issue to do things like add an invisible measure. If anyone has a better idea, I'd love to hear it. The basic problem is that I need to created space after the rightmost barline in a system that is showing time signature at the end of the system. Is there somewhere I can define the time signature numeral characters? If I can blank out the plus and some digits I may be able to fake something with a composite time signature. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
dhbailey wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: That's a bad kludge. Find another, better way to get the result you want. In recent versions, printing forces an update layout. This is a good and sensible thing. I'm sorry but I have to disagree that printing forcing an update layout with no user control is not a good and sensible thing -- it's software trying to babysit us so that we don't have to think for ourselves. oops -- I meant to say: I'm sorry but I have to disagree that printing forcing an update layout with no user control is a good and sensible thing -- it's software trying to babysit us so that we don't have to think for ourselves. Once I get the layout as I want it I shouldn't have to lock layout just so that an automatic feature of the software which has been added recently can help save someone else who isn't smart enough to update the layout for him/herself when it should be done. A computer program should allow us to simply print what we've done when we click Print without having to worry whether it's going to undo what may have been hours of nudging to get things just right. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] print forces update layout??
I'm sorry to come late to this, but is this issue above and beyond the need to UNCHECK Document OptionsMultimeasure RestsUpdate Automatically? This function, designed to prevent scroll-view note entry into MM rests, also forces an update layout when printing. I looked quickly through the posts and didn't see this, but it's possible I didn't see all the posts. From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of dc [den...@free.fr] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:21 AM To: finale@shsu.edu; finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] print forces update layout?? Mark D Lew écrit: There are more elaborate kludges I could resort to, but they are problematic, in part because my client cares about the MusicXML code, not just the printed look, so it's an issue to do things like add an invisible measure. What about simply adding an extra measure? What does your client want to do with the XML code? Would an extra measure by any worse than your own kludge for the code? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
Hi Mark, Hide the real barline. Hide the courtesy time signature. Add extra space at the end of the measure (Measure Attributes - Extra Space at End). Add a graphic barline as an expression. Add both the 6/2 and the 3/1 time signatures as expressions. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 21 May 2010, at 3:04 AM, Mark D Lew wrote: On May 20, 2010, at 11:30 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: No, it won't. Or if it does, the kludge is no kludge at all, and is unrelated to Update Layout. Hmm, maybe it's not update layout then. Let me be more specific. I've got a piece with a lot of time signature changes and one of them has a parenthetic; that is, it changes to 6/2 but right after the 6/2 it shows 3/1 in parentheses. I know of no way to draw that in the regular time signature, so I've just done it as regular 6/2 and I've created an expression to show the (3/1). I then respace to create extra room after the time signature to fit my expression in. So far, so good, except that this time signature change happens to fall on a system break, which I can't avoid. Therefore I need the parenthesized time signature to appear at the end of the prior system as well. Now it's a problem because that space isn't part of any measure. Finale just ends the previous measure early with only just enough room for the time signature to fit after the barline. Therefore I trick Finale into ending the measure early: I add space to the previous measure, update the layout, and then remove the extra space without updating the layout. This works perfectly on the screen, and I thought it would work perfectly over all, but I find that as soon as I print, Finale sees through my stratagem and moves the barline to the right anyway, pushing my parenthesized expression out into the right margin. There are more elaborate kludges I could resort to, but they are problematic, in part because my client cares about the MusicXML code, not just the printed look, so it's an issue to do things like add an invisible measure. If anyone has a better idea, I'd love to hear it. The basic problem is that I need to created space after the rightmost barline in a system that is showing time signature at the end of the system. Is there somewhere I can define the time signature numeral characters? If I can blank out the plus and some digits I may be able to fake something with a composite time signature. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
Mark D Lew wrote: Do you have another kludge you would recommend for generating space after a courtesy time signature at the end of a system? It's quite easy to add graphical time sigs that works correctly with layout updates, music respacing and so on: * If you need space to add the time sig to a measure, edit the measure attributes to change the Extra Space at Beginning setting * If you need space to add the time sig to the end of a system (such as courtesy time sigs), use the Page Layout tool and change the Extra Space At End of System for that system. After the space has been added, put the graphical time sig in. Make sure to attach it to a relevant connection point. Jim Williams already mentioned the Update Automatically setting in the MM Rest options. I believe it's this setting that causes the UL prior to printing. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
On May 21, 2010, at 3:54 AM, Scott Jones wrote: Insert the time signature as 6/2 + 3/1 and then go into the time signature settings in doc options and change the + to a blank character in the font and you will see the time as you want it. I've done this very same thing for Bernstein's Overture to WSS 4/4 + 2/4 stuff. You have to set the measures after the initial to the correct time signatures and hide them but otherwise you get the desired look you are wanting. You will have to add the Parenthesis yourself. This method does not provide the right amount of space for the parenthesis after the 3/1 for the courtesy time signature at the end of a system. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] print forces update layout??
Jari Williamsson Jim Williams already mentioned the Update Automatically setting in the MM Rest options. I believe it's this setting that causes the UL prior to printing. Indeed I do at least suspect this setting is responsible here. This is a feature with at least one major unintended consequence: the automatic (and usually undesired) UL. Unless you have a marked tendency to enter music (in scroll view) into measures belonging to MM rests, I'd turn that option off. I can't recall who the OP is, but s/he might try turning UPDATE AUTOMATICALLY off in document OptionsMM Rests Jim W. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] print forces update layout??
This method does not provide the right amount of space for the parenthesis after the 3/1 for the courtesy time signature at the end of a system. I've been too lazy to track all of these suggestions and I also wallow in the obsolete depths of Finale2007, but... What about a custom articulation attached to the last note of the measure in which you need space at the end of the bar? If avoiding collisions of articulations is checked, it always puts the articulation inside the right barline. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
On May 21, 2010, at 4:23 AM, dhbailey wrote: Isn't that forced update layout supposed to be why the developers created the Automatic Update Layout option to begin with? That should be sufficient for people who want the layout updated automatically, including when printing, so they don't ever have to think about it again. And for those who want automatic update layout option turned off, that should be sufficient for the program to never update the layout (including at printing time) unless the user specifically updates the layout manually. I recognize that a forced update layout before printing is a helpful feaure for most users, even many who do not use automatic update layout regularly. I wouldn't go so far as to say this is a bad feature that MM should revoke. I would just say there needs to be a check box somewhere in Program Options to disable update layout on printing, for users like you and me and Dennis to use when we need it. That shouldn't be so hard to implement, and it would make everyone happy. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
On May 21, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Williams, Jim wrote: I'm sorry to come late to this, but is this issue above and beyond the need to UNCHECK Document OptionsMultimeasure RestsUpdate Automatically? I just tried this on my file and it does not solve the problem in my case. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] print forces update layout??
I can't recall who the OP is, but s/he might try turning UPDATE AUTOMATICALLY off in document OptionsMM Rests I am the OP. Unchecking this setting does not prevent Finale from updating layout prior to printing. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
Dennis wrote: What about simply adding an extra measure? What does your client want to do with the XML code? Would an extra measure by any worse than your own kludge for the code? Now that you mention it, I'm honestly not sure what all he does with the XML code. I do know that he's very XML savvy and he does *something* with it. (Some of you here probably know who I'm talking about.) I got an email from him saying an extra measure is fine so long as it doesn't add a gap in the playback. I'm at work now and away from my Finale so I haven't had a time to play with this, but I assume there's some way to make sure the extra measure doesn't play. I never pay much attention to playback in my own work, but those of you who use this kludge regularly must have a standard technique for that, right? (I suppose as a worst-case scenario, I could make it a 1/64 measure and play the rest prestissimo.) mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
On 21 May 2010 at 11:32, Mark D Lew wrote: I got an email from him saying an extra measure is fine so long as it doesn't add a gap in the playback. I'm at work now and away from my Finale so I haven't had a time to play with this, but I assume there's some way to make sure the extra measure doesn't play. I never pay much attention to playback in my own work, but those of you who use this kludge regularly must have a standard technique for that, right? Use the same kind of non-visible repeat that you'd use to skip 1st endings and such. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
Hi Mark, You don't need an extra measure. The extra space at end of measure method I described works. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 21 May 2010, at 2:32 PM, Mark D Lew wrote: Dennis wrote: What about simply adding an extra measure? What does your client want to do with the XML code? Would an extra measure by any worse than your own kludge for the code? Now that you mention it, I'm honestly not sure what all he does with the XML code. I do know that he's very XML savvy and he does *something* with it. (Some of you here probably know who I'm talking about.) I got an email from him saying an extra measure is fine so long as it doesn't add a gap in the playback. I'm at work now and away from my Finale so I haven't had a time to play with this, but I assume there's some way to make sure the extra measure doesn't play. I never pay much attention to playback in my own work, but those of you who use this kludge regularly must have a standard technique for that, right? (I suppose as a worst-case scenario, I could make it a 1/64 measure and play the rest prestissimo.) mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Loss of Color in Display
I suddenly lost all color info in my Finale 2010 display. This included the note colors for layers 2, 3, and 4. All marks on the score were displayed in black. I closed down Finale 2010 and brought up Finale 2009 which behaved normally. Layer two notes were red, etc. Switching back to Finale 2010 brought back an all-black display. I rooted around in the document options looking for something I could have missed by accident. The only item I found involving color was the Color dialog box which doesn't seem to apply. Suddenly, although to the best of my knowledge I hadn't change any settings, the proper colors popped back into the display. Has anyone witnessed this behavior? Does anyone have a theory what could cause this kind of behavior? Since Finale 2009 works properly, The problem shouldn't be caused by an external factor like the display driver. I am running Vista 64. Best regards ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Loss of Color in Display
Robert L. Jenks wrote: I suddenly lost all color info in my Finale 2010 display. This included the note colors for layers 2, 3, and 4. All marks on the score were displayed in black. I closed down Finale 2010 and brought up Finale 2009 which behaved normally. Layer two notes were red, etc. Switching back to Finale 2010 brought back an all-black display. I rooted around in the document options looking for something I could have missed by accident. The only item I found involving color was the Color dialog box which doesn't seem to apply. Suddenly, although to the best of my knowledge I hadn't change any settings, the proper colors popped back into the display. Has anyone witnessed this behavior? Does anyone have a theory what could cause this kind of behavior? Since Finale 2009 works properly, The problem shouldn't be caused by an external factor like the display driver. I am running Vista 64. Best regards Were you in Postsctipt Preview perhaps? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
On May 21, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: You don't need an extra measure. The extra space at end of measure method I described works. I was thinking to avoid having to redraw the regular time signature and the barline, but on second thought maybe that's not such a big deal. Thanks to everyone for all the tips on this. It was an interesting discussion about kludges. I remain of the belief that there ought to be an option to turn off the update layout on printing, but I suppose the more obvious feature request here would be that Finale create a feature for displaying a parenthesized time signature along with the normal one. I mean, I know it's not common, but it's not completely unheard of either. Seems like they should be able to just do it without any kludging at all. It can be another option under more choices in the Time Signature box, along with the composite one for time signatures with a +, and would work very similarly. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
You may be able to obtain the 12 EVPUs by reducing the width of the preceding measures by a total of the required number of EVPUs. (Measure tool - click on the individual measure(s) and alter the width number.) [I have done this with single staves - I don't know if it works with the whole system.] - Original Message - From: SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] print forces update layout?? Is there somewhere I can define the time signature numeral characters? If I can blank out the plus and some digits I may be able to fake something with a composite time signature. that will surely give you way more space than you need what about creating an expression of a staff (5 lines, attached to all staves) that is something like 12 EVPUS (or whatever extra you need) and adjusting the system to end 12 EVPUS from the right margin? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??
On May 21, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ian Harris wrote: You may be able to obtain the 12 EVPUs by reducing the width of the preceding measures by a total of the required number of EVPUs. (Measure tool - click on the individual measure(s) and alter the width number.) [I have done this with single staves - I don't know if it works with the whole system.] That works until Finale updates the layout, which is how this whole thing started. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
