Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 165, Issue 7

[Andrew Levin]

On Sunday, April 16, a wonderful day in Clemson, 
finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote:

From: Raymond Horton mailto:horton.raym...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [Finale] Problems emailing musx files
Date: April 15, 2017 at 10:58:21 PM EDT
To: mailto:finale@shsu.edu>>


I have sent and received musx files with no problem

Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016

Hi, Ray,

Thanks for writing.

It’s not just emailing that’s the problem, but emailing through Clemson’s 
particular flavor of Exchange or Office365 that puts up red flags. Our IT 
people are going to bat for me — we’ll see what happens.

Andrew
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Re: [Finale] Time signatures in text document

[Michael Lawlor]

Thanks, this is just what I was looking for.

Michael


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Re: [Finale] Time signatures in text document

[Whittall, Geoff]

You could also look at the Metronome Font by DVM Publications
(DVMPublications.com)
I¹ve been using it for years (along with their very useful MetTimes font)
to put symbols, rhythms, etc. in Word documents.
Regardless of the font you use, you might consider creating keystroke
collections (e.g. Snippets in TextExpander) so you can
type in the musical symbols as text using convenient-to-remember patterns,
without having to remember unusual key mappings.
This saves me a ton of time and looks great,
Geoff


 From: Michael Lawlor 
 Subject: [Finale] Time signatures in text document
 To: Finale Forum 
 Message-ID: <3f33f4d6-439e-6ba0-03b9-4447a25e8...@virginmedia.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed

 I want to include time signatures in a Word document, preferably with
 one number directly above the other, rather than making it look like a
 fraction.  I have tried superscripts and subscripts, but something
 resembling real music notation would be better.  Also, I do not just
 want regular time signatures, I also want to include 3/1, 6/2...  Does
 anyone have any advice to provide on the easiest way to do this?

 Regards,
 Michael Lawlor




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Re: [Finale] Time signatures in text document

[Jan Angermüller]

This music fonts list includes two sections with suggestions of more 
than 70 fonts for musical symbols in a word document ( 
https://elbsound.studio/music-fonts.php#processing ) and for music fonts 
combined with letters ( https://elbsound.studio/music-fonts.php#textmusic ).

Jan

Am 16.04.2017 um 17:08 schrieb Michael Lawlor:
> I want to include time signatures in a Word document, preferably with
> one number directly above the other, rather than making it look like a
> fraction.  I have tried superscripts and subscripts, but something
> resembling real music notation would be better.  Also, I do not just
> want regular time signatures, I also want to include 3/1, 6/2...  Does
> anyone have any advice to provide on the easiest way to do this?
>
> Regards,
> Michael Lawlor
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Re: [Finale] Different type barlines at a specific place

[Barbara Touburg]

On 16-4-2017 17:57, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote:
> For making this notation in a few bars, my method is the fastest, because you 
> can copy the barlines with filtered copying. I never suggested it used for a 
> whole piece. The process in itself is faster than creating a shape expression.

Allright, I'll do it your way. I give up! :)
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Re: [Finale] Different type barlines at a specific place

[Haroldo Mauro]

I guess the only way is to apply a Staff Style without barlines to the measures 
you want the barlines between them; then use Expression Tool to place the 
barlines as Shapes outside and between the staves.


On Apr 16, 2017, at 12:48, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:

> I am trying to do that but fail everytime. There should be a way of 
> accomplishing it that does not involve a lot of work-arounds.
> 
> Harold
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 16, 2017, at 12:25, Barbara Touburg  wrote:
> 
>> On 16-4-2017 17:18, timothy price wrote:
>>> If you share what it is you need the players to do, then perhaps there will 
>>> be some suggestions forthcoming that will do
>>> what you need, player wise, but in a more conventional way.
>> 
>> Okay!
>> I'm just trying to faithfully recreate what the composer wrote. He died 
>> in 2013, so I can't ask him what he meant when he notated the music this 
>> way. Maybe it has no significance at all. :)
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Re: [Finale] Different type barlines at a specific place

[SN jef chippewa]

klaus, i wish i had the free time on my hands that you seem to have ;-)


> On 16 April 2017 at 17:08 Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre  
> wrote:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/52jjkhys6kvini4/Barlines%20between%20staves.png?dl=0
> You have to set the line thickness in the Smart Shapes tool (Smart Shape 
> options( to the same as the thickness of your barlines (document options).
> Choose the line option in Smart Shapes that can be drawn vertically. Draw it 
> between two staves next to a barline. It will default to the closest beat, 
> but you can drad it on top of the barline between the staves.
> In the selection tool click the bar before the barline and make the original 
> barline invisible.
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Re: [Finale] Time signatures in text document

[Howard Weiner]

Try the Bach Musicological Font by Yo Tomita
http://www.mu.qub.ac.uk/tomita/bachfont/index.htm

Make sure to download and install the Bach-ts font, which extends the 
time signature possibilities.

Howard



Am 16.04.2017 um 17:08 schrieb Michael Lawlor:
> I want to include time signatures in a Word document, preferably with
> one number directly above the other, rather than making it look like a
> fraction.  I have tried superscripts and subscripts, but something
> resembling real music notation would be better.  Also, I do not just
> want regular time signatures, I also want to include 3/1, 6/2...  Does
> anyone have any advice to provide on the easiest way to do this?
>
> Regards,
> Michael Lawlor
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Re: [Finale] Different type barlines at a specific place

[Haroldo Mauro]

I am trying to do that but fail everytime. There should be a way of 
accomplishing it that does not involve a lot of work-arounds.

Harold




On Apr 16, 2017, at 12:25, Barbara Touburg  wrote:

> On 16-4-2017 17:18, timothy price wrote:
>> If you share what it is you need the players to do, then perhaps there will 
>> be some suggestions forthcoming that will do
>> what you need, player wise, but in a more conventional way.
> 
> Okay!
> I'm just trying to faithfully recreate what the composer wrote. He died 
> in 2013, so I can't ask him what he meant when he notated the music this 
> way. Maybe it has no significance at all. :)
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Re: [Finale] Different type barlines at a specific place

[SN jef chippewa]

sending again, tried to send a small attachment with the message, but limited 
to 40kb (WAY small) on the list :P -- let me know if you want me to send the 
image privately.

--

OH MY GOD! please do NOT do this if you want the barlines between staves 
globally! there is a barline style in finale since (ouf...?) at least 10 years. 
 select your group bracket and open the dialogue, set "Barlines" to  "Only 
Between Staves (Mensurstriche)"

if you insist on making only some barlines in a given system like that (i have 
in fact needed to in the past), set it up as a shape expression with the 
desired length and thickness.  apply manually each time, not using a metatool, 
otherwise you will have to change every instance if you want them to be thicker 
or longer globally.

barbara, if mensurstriche is *not* what you want, can you share a page of what 
you are working on?

cheers,
jef


> > On 16 April 2017 at 17:08 Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre  
> > wrote:
> > I hope you really need this feature, because I have found a time consuming 
> > manual workaround. I haven‘t done all the necessary adjustments, only 
> > proven the principle in a trio for horns that I am editing. The screen shot 
> > from Finale is here:
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/52jjkhys6kvini4/Barlines%20between%20staves.png?dl=0
> > 
> > You have to set the line thickness in the Smart Shapes tool (Smart Shape 
> > options( to the same as the thickness of your barlines (document options).
> > Choose the line option in Smart Shapes that can be drawn vertically. Draw 
> > it between two staves next to a barline. It will default to the closest 
> > beat, but you can drad it on top of the barline between the staves.
> > In the selection tool click the bar before the barline and make the 
> > original barline invisible.
> > Klaus
> >   From: Barbara Touburg 
> >  To: finale@shsu.edu 
> >  Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 3:57 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [Finale] Different type barlines at a specific place
> >
> > On 16-4-2017 15:49, Christopher Smith wrote:
> > > So I used jef chippewa’s suggestion, and after I made all the barlines in 
> > > one system connect, I broke some of them using a staff style. That worked 
> > > perfectly. That is what I suggest.
> > 
> > But I'm looking for a way to draw the barlines *between* the staves and 
> > not *on* the staves.

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Re: [Finale] Different type barlines at a specific place

[Barbara Touburg]

On 16-4-2017 17:18, timothy price wrote:
> If you share what it is you need the players to do, then perhaps there will 
> be some suggestions forthcoming that will do
> what you need, player wise, but in a more conventional way.

Okay!
I'm just trying to faithfully recreate what the composer wrote. He died 
in 2013, so I can't ask him what he meant when he notated the music this 
way. Maybe it has no significance at all. :)
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Re: [Finale] Time signatures in text document

[Eric Fiedler]

You could use the fonts "Times musical roman" or "Bach", which don't affect the 
line spacing as does "Maestro", and include a number of time signatures.
Eric

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> On 16 Apr 2017, at 17:08, Michael Lawlor  wrote:
> 
> I want to include time signatures in a Word document, preferably with 
> one number directly above the other, rather than making it look like a 
> fraction.  I have tried superscripts and subscripts, but something 
> resembling real music notation would be better.  Also, I do not just 
> want regular time signatures, I also want to include 3/1, 6/2...  Does 
> anyone have any advice to provide on the easiest way to do this?
> 
> Regards,
> Michael Lawlor
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Re: [Finale] Different type barlines at a specific place

[timothy price]

Hi,

Am curious why you want to do this at all?  Am certainly no expert, but I 
cannot think of any "best practices" that would suggest this sort of staff 
change.
If you share what it is you need the players to do, then perhaps there will be 
some suggestions forthcoming that will do
what you need, player wise, but in a more conventional way.

thanks for telling us.

tim 



On Apr 16, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Barbara Touburg wrote:

> Well, I tried it after a good night's sleep and it still doesn't work.
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[Finale] Time signatures in text document

[Michael Lawlor]

I want to include time signatures in a Word document, preferably with 
one number directly above the other, rather than making it look like a 
fraction.  I have tried superscripts and subscripts, but something 
resembling real music notation would be better.  Also, I do not just 
want regular time signatures, I also want to include 3/1, 6/2...  Does 
anyone have any advice to provide on the easiest way to do this?

Regards,
Michael Lawlor
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Re: [Finale] Different type barlines at a specific place

[Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre]

I hope you really need this feature, because I have found a time consuming 
manual workaround. I haven‘t done all the necessary adjustments, only proven 
the principle in a trio for horns that I am editing. The screen shot from 
Finale is here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/52jjkhys6kvini4/Barlines%20between%20staves.png?dl=0

You have to set the line thickness in the Smart Shapes tool (Smart Shape 
options( to the same as the thickness of your barlines (document options).
Choose the line option in Smart Shapes that can be drawn vertically. Draw it 
between two staves next to a barline. It will default to the closest beat, but 
you can drad it on top of the barline between the staves.
In the selection tool click the bar before the barline and make the original 
barline invisible.
Klaus
  From: Barbara Touburg 
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 3:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Different type barlines at a specific place
   
On 16-4-2017 15:49, Christopher Smith wrote:
> So I used jef chippewa’s suggestion, and after I made all the barlines in one 
> system connect, I broke some of them using a staff style. That worked 
> perfectly. That is what I suggest.

But I'm looking for a way to draw the barlines *between* the staves and 
not *on* the staves.
   
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Re: [Finale] Different type barlines at a specific place

[Barbara Touburg]

On 16-4-2017 15:49, Christopher Smith wrote:
> So I used jef chippewa’s suggestion, and after I made all the barlines in one 
> system connect, I broke some of them using a staff style. That worked 
> perfectly. That is what I suggest.

But I'm looking for a way to draw the barlines *between* the staves and 
not *on* the staves.
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Re: [Finale] Different type barlines at a specific place

[Christopher Smith]

I just tried it in Finale v25, and you’re right, any group you add applies to 
the whole system, never to a partial system. Even though I applied it to ONLY 
measures 1 through 3, ALL the measures in the first system got their barlines 
extended between staves. At least it was only the system!

So I used jef chippewa’s suggestion, and after I made all the barlines in one 
system connect, I broke some of them using a staff style. That worked 
perfectly. That is what I suggest.

Strangely, I can force barlines to break, but not to appear by using a staff 
style. Strange.

Here’s a screen shot after I applied the new group to system 1.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27285617/Screen%20Shot%202017-04-16%20at%209.35.48%20AM.png

Christopher


> On Apr 16, 2017, at 9:14 AM, Barbara Touburg  wrote:
> 
> Well, I tried it after a good night's sleep and it still doesn't work.
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Re: [Finale] Different type barlines at a specific place

[Barbara Touburg]

Well, I tried it after a good night's sleep and it still doesn't work.
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