Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-20 Thread Craig Parmerlee
I take your point that they "could" do some of the abstraction that is inherent in the newer programs.  I am not seeing anything that suggests to me they are at all interested in matching up to Dorico.  Indeed, the only recent statements I could find were very much oriented to SmartMusic and no

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-20 Thread Robert Patterson
I'm saying you are selling Finale short. While I agree 100% that cautionaries (for example) are a problem, you are sellling it way short to characterize it as a mere note paint program. (Accis in particular, are now completely controlled by code, as opposed to relying on the document data, so all i

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-20 Thread Craig Parmerlee
I didn't really mean that as an exact date or even a comment specifically about Finale.  What I should have said is "the 1980s way of doing things." All of the notation products of that generation (Encore, Overture, Finale, etc) can reasonably be called "note paint programs".  That is to say,

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-20 Thread David H. Bailey
On 4/20/2018 11:33 AM, Lynn David Newton wrote: > Forgive me for elbowing in on this discussion. I'll ask my question > up front: > > I notice (checking sweetwater.com) that there is a "trade-up" path, > a way to acquire Dorico for considerably less than the standard > price if I am a user of a co

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-20 Thread Robert Patterson
> the 1985 way In fairness, the 1985 way was ProCo. If you mean the 1989 way, it was this . While I'm the first to recognize Finale's limitations, I think you a being overly harsh. On Fri, Apr

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-20 Thread Lynn David Newton
Forgive me for elbowing in on this discussion. I'll ask my question up front: I notice (checking sweetwater.com) that there is a "trade-up" path, a way to acquire Dorico for considerably less than the standard price if I am a user of a competing product. Does that mean I have to somehow *give up*

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-20 Thread dfr...@smcm.edu
Robert Patterson wrote: > > I don't think I understand Steve Parker's comment about "MT scores". I > don't doubt that Finale requires stitching together thirty files, but I > don't understand the requirement well enough to understand why. > > My question about different layouts is, are they anyth

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-20 Thread David H. Bailey
On 4/20/2018 8:28 AM, Martin Nickless wrote: > Hi > May I just ask what may seem very simplistic but what difference does dorico > have on somebody i.e. myself that is primarily writing big band scores and > small jazz groups quartets quintets etc > to my mind finale works perfectly well for thos

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-20 Thread Martin Nickless
Exactly that’s why I have recently purchased the bill Duncan chord fonts for example but thank you for a great answer Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Apr 2018, at 15:00, David H. Bailey wrote: > >> On 4/20/2018 8:28 AM, Martin Nickless wrote: >> Hi >> May I just ask what may seem very simplistic

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-20 Thread Vosbein, Terry
I am, for one, very optimistic. I see no evidence that Finale is a dead end. I have had Finale since the start and every update is a big improvement of a great product that does everything I need it to do (And i am a very heavy, hard core user). Terry Vosbein > If you can pardon my rant,

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-20 Thread craig
I have spent just 90 minutes hands on, and it is already obvious to me that I will save loads of time on layout edits and other little niceties like cautionary accidentals. Things like cautionary accidentals, beaming, notating ties correction, multi-measure rests and many other things happ

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-20 Thread Martin Nickless
Hi May I just ask what may seem very simplistic but what difference does dorico have on somebody i.e. myself that is primarily writing big band scores and small jazz groups quartets quintets etc to my mind finale works perfectly well for those type of projects Martin Sent from my iPhone > On

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-20 Thread Robert Patterson
I guess I don't understand how a master page set works. What advantage does it bring for working on a few instruments at a time? On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 5:45 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: > > > > Ooops -- I guess the musician in me was more powerful than the French > student. > > What clef does the

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-20 Thread David H. Bailey
Ooops -- I guess the musician in me was more powerful than the French student. What clef does the "voilà" use? The French violin clef of course. David H. Bailey On 4/19/2018 9:46 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: > > >> On Apr 19, 2018, at 5:18 PM, David H. Bailey wrote: >> >> On 4/19/2018 7:58

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-20 Thread David H. Bailey
Ooops -- I guess the musician in me was more powerful than the French student. What clef does the "voilà" use? The French violin clef of course. David H. Bailey On 4/19/2018 9:46 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: > > >> On Apr 19, 2018, at 5:18 PM, David H. Bailey wrote: >> >> On 4/19/2018 7:58 PM

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-20 Thread Steve Parker
It also deals with doubling and instrument changes automatically. You basically have different staves for the same player in galley view, and it sorts it everywhere else. Cueing other instruments is also so easy that I provide many more cues than I used to. I’m just giving these as examples of

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-20 Thread Steve Parker
The linked parts work well in Dorico, with a continuing discussion on what should/should not be linked and how best to override. They basically work like Finale now, but will become more flexible and user-preferanceable.. For copying part layouts, Dorico has master-page sets, which can be applie