Re: [Finale] TAN - Use of sz ligature: opinions?
Mark D Lew schrieb: Thanks to all for the advice. It definitely helps my thinking on this question. Having read the other comments so far I would second the advice (and repeat my first one) to use the original orthography. A few points I didn't make clear in the first post: - I'm not just citing a few texts; I'll be reproducing entire librettos. Then you would have even more difficulties with modernizing (in terms of quantity ;-) - I have two source texts available to me, one original and one modernized. My choice is pretty much just which of the two to use; I wouldn't have to go through and make the changes myself. I've got a list of the current official rules, and I think I could apply them properly, but that's more work than I care to do. It's been a while since I've looked at that second source text (I used the first one in an earlier edition) so I don't recall exactly how much is changed in it. I'm pretty sure that ALL ß's were changed to ss, and all th's are changed to t. There may have been other changes I didn't notice. *If* this modernized edition exclusively uses ss then it certainly is no good edition! As others pointed out, 'ß' is still used along with 'ss'. (Just a comment on the name 'sz' (doesn't help you with your decision)). People of my grandfather's generation still call it 'es-zett' while nowadays it is called 'scharf-es' (something like 's sharp' ;-) If it has to be spelled in capitals today it is written as 'SS' (e.g. 'GROSS') while in earlier days it was written 'GROSZ'). BTW: Do you know how original your original edition is? - I'm definitely not using Fraktur! Really no need to even with historical orthography. That's not what modern editions do in Germany... I was already leaning toward sticking with the old spellings, and now I'm even more inclined in that direction. This comment from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_spelling_reform_of_1996 also leads me in that direction: Classics are typically printed without changes, unless they are specific school editions. That is definitely not true. Classics are usually only printed in original spelling in historical critical editions. Text that are for sale and to be read by Germans today are nearly always modernized since the original looks unusual for us too. The decision is always to what extent it is being modernized. That brings another question to mind: What purpose is your publication intended for? Is it as a reference to the music, something to work with or just a matter of curiosity? I'm still interested in further opinions, if anyone else wants to chime in. One remark about capitalization (what I read about in one or more comments). Please keep it!! This has nothing to do with original vs. modern. The German language just has this somewhat unusual way of capitalizing. And besides a politically motivated to print everything lowercase (in the 70ies of the past century) there isn't any tendency towards changing this. Urs ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MIDI transcriptionism
And, of course, some autographs show evidence of substantial composition during the writing process (as opposed to simply writing down what's already planned out). The most famous examples are the Haydn quartets, which were clearly *not* written out in Mozart's typical method. For those who can read German: The Book Mozarts Schaffensweise (Mozratr's working methods) by Ulrich Konrad covers this topic in detail. In the first part of the book he also explores the historical development of the idea/legend of Mozart inventing everything in his head and then just copying onto paper. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MIDI transcriptionism
Antwort auf Nachricht: @[EMAIL PROTECTED] @A@ schrieb am @D@ On 29 Dec 2004 at 16:44, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Very interesting ... I was unaware of the complex relationship between composer/arr./orchestrator. Now I'm thinking, did any of the Great composers farm out their work to orchestrators, e.g., Beethoven, Mozart, etc..? I'm unaware of any completed works of Mozart in which he did not do the orchestration. His method of writing was quite systematic, and based in Italian practice. He wrote first the bass line and the first violin, which, in the Italian style, was the top line of his orchestral score. He then filled in the orchestration in a second pass. Of course, sometimes he'd fill in some of the orchestration on the first pass, but this was basically the way it was done. The same goes for Schubert, and I assume for any composer of this time who is said to compose/write very fast. There are many sketches in score form that show this technique and in many completed works it can be reconstructed as in the mentioned example of Don Giovanni. One can assume that a composition was called completed after the first pass. Orchestration counted as merely working out the final form. Nevertheless, as far as I know, composers did it generally by themselves. It is similar on the next level, with articulation and dynamics. Schubert generally wrote only a few basic or essential dynamic markings in the first pass and filled out the rest later, but with less care. Later in the 19th century and then to the beginning of the 20th century orchestration became more and more essential part of the composition. With composers such as Wagner, Mahler, Strauss... the orchestration is of such importance for the character of the work that it is unthinkable that the composers wouldn't do it by themselves. And if you go into the second half of the 20th century, for classical composers such as Nono, Boulez, Lachenmann (to name just a few prominent names) sound becomes a central category of composition, so you cannot really distinguish between composition and orchestration anymore. Urs ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Image export / size / page size
Antwort auf Nachricht: @[EMAIL PROTECTED] @A@ schrieb am @D@ Urs Liska écrit: I have to admit that I didn't manage to do that - because I never tried (and I didn't pretend - sorry if someone misunderstood me). I just tried and found out that even Acrobat wouldn't embed my text fonts :-( That's strange, because I've never had any problems with Acrobat embedding fonts. Which version of Acrobat? And what flavour of Windows? Acrobat 6, WinXP, Finale 2001 But I couldn't spend enough time trying yet... Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Image export / size / page size
First of all, I hope you're planning on using TIF files and not EPS... Why do you say this. Where is the problem with EPS files? It's not possible to specify the size of the output, but using a grid you can get a fairly precise idea of the size of your example. That's what I would do if I were able to export EPS files in Finale. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Image export / size / page size
Johannes Gebauer wrote: Urs Liska wrote: First of all, I hope you're planning on using TIF files and not EPS... Why do you say this. Where is the problem with EPS files? Depends. If you are on Windows I am told it doesn't work at all. On Mac, you should be ok if your EPS only contains music fonts. If it contains text fonts as well there may or may not be problems. In my case NewCenturySchoolbook does not get included in the EPS. This may end up being a problem when the EPS is reimported (especially if you reimport into Finale, but I guess you don't want to do that anyway). And it may be more of a problem if you give these files to someone else. Johannes Sorry to hear that. I thought eps to be superiour especially since I don't find it appropriate to rasterize musical scores Urs ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Image export / size / page size
Antwort auf Nachricht: Urs Liska écrit: First of all, I hope you're planning on using TIF files and not EPS... Why do you say this. Where is the problem with EPS files? Because recent versions of Finale (Windows) can't export EPS files with embedded fonts (either in WinXP or Win2000). This has been broken for years, and MakeMusic has no idea when it will be fixed. If have managed to produce EPS files with embedded fonts, I, and many others, I assume, would be very grateful if you could post all relevant details: OS, version of finale, printer driver, settings. I have to admit that I didn't manage to do that - because I never tried (and I didn't pretend - sorry if someone misunderstood me). I just tried and found out that even Acrobat wouldn't embed my text fonts :-( Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Image export / size / page size
Antwort auf Nachricht: @[EMAIL PROTECTED] @A@ schrieb am @D@ On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:37:43 +0100, Urs Liska [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a workaround I thought of adjusting the page size and export the whole page, so I know exactly how large the picture is and which borders I have. But this seems to be messy either. As fas as I can see, I cannot change the size of an existing page (in order to adjust it to the example), but only for newly created pages. I would then have to measure my example, create a new page and copy the music to the new page. This seems to be a totally unacceptable behaviour. You can change the size of an existing page with the Page Layout tool Hmmm. Very embarassing indeed... Thank you very much Urs Page size. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Image export / size / page size
Dear list members, I will have to produce a large amount of score examples for a book, which I intend to do with Finale (rather than scanning scores, drawing into them and preparing them in a picture editing program). My problem with the Grafics Tool is with the picture size. As far as I see it I can (with Finale 2001) export either a whole page or a section that I determine by drawing a rectangle with the mouse. For this last method I don't see any way to determine the size or the origin of the picture in a reasonable exact manner (i.e. by typing numbers of any kind or at least adjusting the rectangle afterwards). Is this true? As a workaround I thought of adjusting the page size and export the whole page, so I know exactly how large the picture is and which borders I have. But this seems to be messy either. As fas as I can see, I cannot change the size of an existing page (in order to adjust it to the example), but only for newly created pages. I would then have to measure my example, create a new page and copy the music to the new page. This seems to be a totally unacceptable behaviour. How do you produce score examples? Is there something important I am missing? Is there something significally improved in newer versions of Finale? (I don't use it as much, so I'd rather not spend so much money to upgrade it. Thanks for your assistance Urs Liska ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
