Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
On Apr 16, 2012, at 2:24 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Does Finale have a Facebook page for discussion? I have one but it was little used. If a shift to it was desired I would bring it up to date and be an active moderator There a couple others besides mine, I think.It was migrated by Facebook so some administrative work is needed on my end. It shows 2 members because of the way they handled membership during the migration. Thee are more than two. http://www.facebook.com/groups/33569661699/ Richard Huggins ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
In a message dated 4/16/2012 7:04:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gbro...@hohlc.org writes: I echo Frank's comment. So I now need to echo both Frank and George. Unless you are in position to monitor the mechanics of the list, there's simply no way to know how many soldiers there are in the great lurker army. I bet there are a lot of us. David Lawrence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
On 4/17/2012 3:42 AM, bunnydo...@aol.com wrote: Unless you are in position to monitor the mechanics of the list, there's simply no way to know how many soldiers there are in the great lurker army. Actually, if you visit the URL at the bottom of this message, you can log in and view the subscriber list. There are currently 790 people on this list, either in message or digest form. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
So I now need to echo both Frank and George. Unless you are in position to monitor the mechanics of the list, there's simply no way to know how many soldiers there are in the great lurker army. I bet there are a lot of us. David Lawrence The list's web page at Sam Houston State Univ says it includes 389 Non-digested Members of Finale and 401 Digested Members of Finale. I lurk mostly since I am still using Finale 2007 and waiting for the perfect upgrade, but I find the list valuable and interesting. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
Dear Listers, I use Finale and this List on a regular basis. I have always appreciated the friendly advice that my colleagues on this List give so generously. I have been an end user of Finale since it became native for PowerPC and have never been let down by the program.My work is primarily with brass quintet and woodwind quintet. At this point, I have no complaints with Finale that I can't live with. IMHO: Finale is worth continuing. Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
Hi all, I've been MIA because my server rejected list mail so often that I got unsubscribed, and it took me a while to get around to re-subscribing. I am simply adding my voice to the general point of view that being present here is worthwhile. Finale problems get discussed, advice (excellent advice) is freely given, and musical subjects of general interest come up and provoke thoughtful contributions. I am proud to be a part of this and sorry to have been missing for a while. About the value of Finale - I find it hard to imagine how I'd manage without it. My working habits have become intertwined with how it works (that is not all positive, although mostly so, it's just the way it is). Of course, I could revert to pre Finale ways, but I have learned to enjoy its advantages and to work around its limitations. And I'd hate to have to learn a new program (even if Sibelius handles lyrics better). Chuck On Apr 17, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Dear Listers, I use Finale and this List on a regular basis. I have always appreciated the friendly advice that my colleagues on this List give so generously. I have been an end user of Finale since it became native for PowerPC and have never been let down by the program.My work is primarily with brass quintet and woodwind quintet. At this point, I have no complaints with Finale that I can't live with. IMHO: Finale is worth continuing. Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland, OR 97202 land line: (503) 954-2107 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
On 2012-04-15 19:44, Howey, Henry wrote: After dealing with MAC and PC 2012 I now wonder if FINALE is ready to be ditched. Personally I think this list has been dying for quite a long time now, so is your question now if you're going to kill this list or not? I personally spend almost all of my Finale discussion/reading time in other forums nowadays. But perhaps there are some users out there that still think this list is of use, that want to take over the management of the list? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
Jari, if this list were to be closed off, I hope we'd be told about these other lists. This is the only one I know. I was on a list discussing an unrelated subject and it was decided to move it to a website and though I enjoyed reading the posts via email, I rarely feel motivated to go to the website and so have lost the stimulation and information provided by that old email list. I'm not ready to give up on this list yet. David McKay On 16 April 2012 16:39, Jari Williamsson jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote: On 2012-04-15 19:44, Howey, Henry wrote: After dealing with MAC and PC 2012 I now wonder if FINALE is ready to be ditched. Personally I think this list has been dying for quite a long time now, so is your question now if you're going to kill this list or not? I personally spend almost all of my Finale discussion/reading time in other forums nowadays. But perhaps there are some users out there that still think this list is of use, that want to take over the management of the list? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- www.mitchellcon.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
On Mon, April 16, 2012 3:03 am, David McKay wrote: I was on a list discussing an unrelated subject and it was decided to move it to a website and though I enjoyed reading the posts via email, I rarely feel motivated to go to the website and so have lost the stimulation and information provided by that old email list. I'm not ready to give up on this list yet. Nor I. I've gone to the Finale forum twice, ever. I loathe forums. Slow, unwieldy, and I have to go to them. The only time I use other forums is to solve a specific problem with a specific piece of software, usually once, and that's usually register, post, wait, hope someone knows something, give up. I know with this list I'll get professional responses from knowledgeable people. Does Finale have a Facebook page for discussion? I use groups there, and being combined in one communications platform, it's fairly easy. If this is a hint that the list is going, I'd prefer to move there. That's what I did when I closed our Vermont Composers mailing list. As for Finale itself dying, I don't know and hope not. Nothing good enough has come along to replace it for my work. Sibelius is even more traditional than Finale is trying to be, and that's the wrong direction for me for both of them. (I have Sibelius but only use it to open student work. I've never actually done anything with it.) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
I too would be very sorry to see the end of either this forum or Finale itself. I have learnt so much from postings here, from both responses to my own questions and from postings on subjects which at first appeared to be unrelated to my own work. I too have Sibelius and I too use it only to open the work of my students, (often importing it into Finale if I need to work on it.) Cheers, Lawrence On 16 April 2012 08:24, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.comwrote: Sibelius is even more traditional than Finale is trying to be, and that's the wrong direction for me for both of them. (I have Sibelius but only use it to open student work. I've never actually done anything with it.) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
I'd like to echo Lawrence's comment. This forum is useful on a weekly basis. I have learnt so much from others' questions as well as from answers to my own questions. It is invaluable. - Nigel Hanley On 16/04/2012, at 7:03 PM, Lawrence Yates wrote: I too would be very sorry to see the end of either this forum or Finale itself. I have learnt so much from postings here, from both responses to my own questions and from postings on subjects which at first appeared to be unrelated to my own work. I too have Sibelius and I too use it only to open the work of my students, (often importing it into Finale if I need to work on it.) Cheers, Lawrence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
As a long time lurker and nearly 20 year user of Finale I would really miss this forum. I've learnt so much, both about Finale, but more interestingly, about all sorts of fascinating topics. Frank On 16 April 2012 19:16, Nigel Hanley i...@nigelhanley.com wrote: I'd like to echo Lawrence's comment. This forum is useful on a weekly basis. I have learnt so much from others' questions as well as from answers to my own questions. It is invaluable. - Nigel Hanley On 16/04/2012, at 7:03 PM, Lawrence Yates wrote: I too would be very sorry to see the end of either this forum or Finale itself. I have learnt so much from postings here, from both responses to my own questions and from postings on subjects which at first appeared to be unrelated to my own work. I too have Sibelius and I too use it only to open the work of my students, (often importing it into Finale if I need to work on it.) Cheers, Lawrence ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
I rely on all of you for very important information and find your postings to be very useful and agree about your comments on Sibelius in relation to Finale. Thanks to all of you. Michael Mathew mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl http://oregonmts.com/mathew/ From: Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing? I too would be very sorry to see the end of either this forum or Finale itself. I have learnt so much from postings here, from both responses to my own questions and from postings on subjects which at first appeared to be unrelated to my own work. I too have Sibelius and I too use it only to open the work of my students, (often importing it into Finale if I need to work on it.) Cheers, Lawrence On 16 April 2012 08:24, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.comwrote: Sibelius is even more traditional than Finale is trying to be, and that's the wrong direction for me for both of them. (I have Sibelius but only use it to open student work. I've never actually done anything with it.) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
Dennis, I would suggest you get involved in the MuseScore project. It is nowhere close to being able to replace Finale or Sibelius yet, but precisely because it isn't you might find that it could be molded in a direction you would like. Development is extremely active. Anyone who hasn't looked at it in the last year has no idea how much more it can do now. I continue to be intrigued by it because of its being open source, and more important, having an open data format. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:24 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote: Nothing good enough has come along to replace it for my work. Sibelius is even more traditional than Finale is trying to be, and that's the wrong direction for me for both of them. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
On Mon, April 16, 2012 9:34 am, Robert Patterson wrote: Dennis, I would suggest you get involved in the MuseScore project. It is nowhere close to being able to replace Finale or Sibelius yet, but precisely because it isn't you might find that it could be molded in a direction you would like. I've never heard of it, so will check it out. Thanks! Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
I suggest you visit the site: http://musescore.org/ It produces very good output...if the output it produces is what you want. It is very far behind in customization features. I mention it here because I think it has huge potential, not because it has yet achieved it. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:20 AM, dc den...@free.fr wrote: Le 16/04/2012 15:34, Robert Patterson écrit : Dennis, I would suggest you get involved in the MuseScore project. It is nowhere close to being able to replace Finale or Sibelius yet, but precisely because it isn't you might find that it could be molded in a direction you would like. Development is extremely active. Anyone who hasn't looked at it in the last year has no idea how much more it can do now. I continue to be intrigued by it because of its being open source, and more important, having an open data format. Do you know of any sample pages that could be downloaded? (the other) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
On 4/16/2012 11:28 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: I suggest you visit the site: http://musescore.org/ It produces very good output...if the output it produces is what you want. It is very far behind in customization features. I mention it here because I think it has huge potential, not because it has yet achieved it. Development has been slow but steady -- I had my students in a middle school music theory class download and use it three years ago and it was perfectly adequate for the projects they were working on then and it's only gotten better in the intervening years. Amazing quality, especially for the price. But, as Robert said, not a total replacement for Finale or Sibelius yet, although a number of people who would have been potential customers for Finale's PrintMusic over the past few years are finding it great for doing what they want to do. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
Robert, Your post about the musescore project illustrates emphatically how invaluable discussion group participants are! Does this make sense to anyone else? Am I overstating this? Thank you, Michael mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl http://oregonmts.com/mathew/ From: Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing? I suggest you visit the site: http://musescore.org/ It produces very good output...if the output it produces is what you want. It is very far behind in customization features. I mention it here because I think it has huge potential, not because it has yet achieved it. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:20 AM, dc den...@free.fr wrote: Le 16/04/2012 15:34, Robert Patterson écrit : Dennis, I would suggest you get involved in the MuseScore project. It is nowhere close to being able to replace Finale or Sibelius yet, but precisely because it isn't you might find that it could be molded in a direction you would like. Development is extremely active. Anyone who hasn't looked at it in the last year has no idea how much more it can do now. I continue to be intrigued by it because of its being open source, and more important, having an open data format. Do you know of any sample pages that could be downloaded? (the other) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
In fairness, I don't think Henry ever had any intention of closing down this list. I believe his frustration was directed at the Finale *program*! On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Michael Mathew mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com wrote: Robert, Your post about the musescore project illustrates emphatically how invaluable discussion group participants are! Does this make sense to anyone else? Am I overstating this? Thank you, Michael mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl http://oregonmts.com/mathew/ From: Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing? I suggest you visit the site: http://musescore.org/ It produces very good output...if the output it produces is what you want. It is very far behind in customization features. I mention it here because I think it has huge potential, not because it has yet achieved it. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:20 AM, dc den...@free.fr wrote: Le 16/04/2012 15:34, Robert Patterson écrit : Dennis, I would suggest you get involved in the MuseScore project. It is nowhere close to being able to replace Finale or Sibelius yet, but precisely because it isn't you might find that it could be molded in a direction you would like. Development is extremely active. Anyone who hasn't looked at it in the last year has no idea how much more it can do now. I continue to be intrigued by it because of its being open source, and more important, having an open data format. Do you know of any sample pages that could be downloaded? (the other) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote: In fairness, I don't think Henry ever had any intention of closing down this list. I believe his frustration was directed at the Finale *program*! That's how I read it as well. ;) Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
On 4/15/2012 11:39 PM, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2012-04-15 19:44, Howey, Henry wrote: After dealing with MAC and PC 2012 I now wonder if FINALE is ready to be ditched. Personally I think this list has been dying for quite a long time now, so is your question now if you're going to kill this list or not? I personally spend almost all of my Finale discussion/reading time in other forums nowadays. But perhaps there are some users out there that still think this list is of use, that want to take over the management of the list? Best regards, Jari Williamsson I still get some good stuff from the list, even though I went back to Finale 2010b after 2012 being such a disaster. cd -- http://projectselene.com === Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18500) http://www.pctools.com/ === ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote: As for Finale itself dying, I don't know and hope not. Nothing good enough has come along to replace it for my work. I wondered why you don't use Score? I know the gentleman who edited and typeset the Charles Ives 4th critical edition in Score, and what the program can do (and the edition itself) are absolutely amazing. It has a massive learning curve. And I think it would be helpful to have a mentor show you the ropes while learning it. Thanks Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
I started this list a long time ago. After dealing with MAC and PC 2012 I now wonder if FINALE is ready to be ditched. 1. The MAC interface sucks. The PC is better. Why has it not been updated for 15+ years? 2. SIBELIUS now has 64-bit access. FINALE gave us score mismanagement. 3. FINALE bought GARRITAN and MusicXML. Now support for either of these SUCKS! 4. When they were in an acquisitive mood, why not TGTOOLS? 5. SIBELIUS knows it's on the same computer as before when I update hardware. Why doesn't FINALE? 6. We are being used as beta testers without benefits. Pay up, MM! Henry Howey Sent from my iWhatever ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
