Re: [Finale] Long first ending

[Craig Parmerlee]

Just for the record, MuseScore and Dorico (and I'm pretty sure Sibelius) 
treat endings, regardless of length, as a single object of variable 
length, not as a collection of lines that the user has to nip and tuck 
to get to look right. They all display endings properly, regardless of 
length, without any special effort on the user's part.



On 8/15/2019 2:57 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
I'm with you, David.  I am certain this worked in the past.  I just 
tried it with 25.5 and it does not work -- my results are as John 
Robert described.


I have only 25.5 installed on my computer and haven't really used it 
for almost a year.  So I can't say what version last worked in this 
regard.  I am pretty sure 2012 worked. at least as far as allowing you 
to stretch the bracket in scroll mode and display the bracket 
correctly in page layout.  But even when it "worked" it was still 
really crappy.  It was difficult to get the brackets to line up 
correctly, so most scores looked very unprofessional if they had 
endings more than a couple of measures.  One would have thought 
sometime in the 30-year history of the product they would have fixed 
this.


If having endings look correct is important, I'd strongly suggest 
switching to a product that does them correctly and automatically.




On 8/15/2019 9:35 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:

On 8/15/2019 8:29 AM, John Roberts wrote:
That’s the first thing I tried, David - I got a very long line on 
the first system that stretched way off the page.


JR


Is this something you have to do for a client or is it your own 
project?  If it's your own project, might it be better to use some 
sort of D.S. structure instead of a long first ending?


I just tried my solution and it doesn't work -- sorry.

I guess you just have to place it in page view, where the start of 
the ending bracket will show on the first system included in the 
ending, and the end of the ending bracket will show on its system and 
you'll simply have to place graphic lines on the in-between systems.


I could swear my solution used to work alright when placing it in 
scroll view, but I may be confusing Finale with Sibelius, where it 
definitely is much easier to accomplish what you want.






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Re: [Finale] Long first ending

[Craig Parmerlee]

I'm with you, David.  I am certain this worked in the past.  I just 
tried it with 25.5 and it does not work -- my results are as John Robert 
described.


I have only 25.5 installed on my computer and haven't really used it for 
almost a year.  So I can't say what version last worked in this regard.  
I am pretty sure 2012 worked. at least as far as allowing you to stretch 
the bracket in scroll mode and display the bracket correctly in page 
layout.  But even when it "worked" it was still really crappy.  It was 
difficult to get the brackets to line up correctly, so most scores 
looked very unprofessional if they had endings more than a couple of 
measures.  One would have thought sometime in the 30-year history of the 
product they would have fixed this.


If having endings look correct is important, I'd strongly suggest 
switching to a product that does them correctly and automatically.




On 8/15/2019 9:35 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:

On 8/15/2019 8:29 AM, John Roberts wrote:
That’s the first thing I tried, David - I got a very long line on the 
first system that stretched way off the page.


JR


Is this something you have to do for a client or is it your own 
project?  If it's your own project, might it be better to use some 
sort of D.S. structure instead of a long first ending?


I just tried my solution and it doesn't work -- sorry.

I guess you just have to place it in page view, where the start of the 
ending bracket will show on the first system included in the ending, 
and the end of the ending bracket will show on its system and you'll 
simply have to place graphic lines on the in-between systems.


I could swear my solution used to work alright when placing it in 
scroll view, but I may be confusing Finale with Sibelius, where it 
definitely is much easier to accomplish what you want.






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Re: [Finale] Long first ending

[John Roberts]

Thank you. This was my first thought for a workaround and it’s what I plan on 
doing. But I wondered if Finale had some way of doing this that I had missed. 
Thanks for all the help.

JR



> On Aug 15, 2019, at 10:36 AM, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
> I think your best bet is a line (from the Smart Shapes palette). If you
> need a line of different width to match the width of the repeat ending
> brackets, you can create a Custom Line. The disadvantage of a smart shape
> is, of course, that smart shapes don't have staff lists. But that doesn't
> appear to be a problem in this case.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:23 AM John Roberts  wrote:
> 
>> It’s a guitar tab piece, a 32-bar waltz section and with variation on the
>> repeat it works out to 16-bar 1st and 2nd endings, with about 5 bars per
>> system. I also seem to remember that your solution used to work, but it’s a
>> long time since I needed to do this.
>> 
>> It is for a client, but it’s my call on how it’s laid out. I need to keep
>> the music theory minimal for folk guitar students  :-)  so I think a DS
>> system wouldn’t work for me, and in any case similar repeats will come up
>> in later sections of the piece. Triple segnos are too confusing for me!
>> 
>> Thanks for the input.
>> 
>> JR
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 9:35 AM, David H. Bailey 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 8/15/2019 8:29 AM, John Roberts wrote:
 That’s the first thing I tried, David - I got a very long line on the
>> first system that stretched way off the page.
 JR
>>> 
>>> Is this something you have to do for a client or is it your own
>> project?  If it's your own project, might it be better to use some sort of
>> D.S. structure instead of a long first ending?
>>> 
>>> I just tried my solution and it doesn't work -- sorry.
>>> 
>>> I guess you just have to place it in page view, where the start of the
>> ending bracket will show on the first system included in the ending, and
>> the end of the ending bracket will show on its system and you'll simply
>> have to place graphic lines on the in-between systems.
>>> 
>>> I could swear my solution used to work alright when placing it in scroll
>> view, but I may be confusing Finale with Sibelius, where it definitely is
>> much easier to accomplish what you want.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *
>>> David H. Bailey
>>> dhbaile...@comcast.net
>>> http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Long first ending

[Robert Patterson]

I think your best bet is a line (from the Smart Shapes palette). If you
need a line of different width to match the width of the repeat ending
brackets, you can create a Custom Line. The disadvantage of a smart shape
is, of course, that smart shapes don't have staff lists. But that doesn't
appear to be a problem in this case.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 9:23 AM John Roberts  wrote:

> It’s a guitar tab piece, a 32-bar waltz section and with variation on the
> repeat it works out to 16-bar 1st and 2nd endings, with about 5 bars per
> system. I also seem to remember that your solution used to work, but it’s a
> long time since I needed to do this.
>
> It is for a client, but it’s my call on how it’s laid out. I need to keep
> the music theory minimal for folk guitar students  :-)  so I think a DS
> system wouldn’t work for me, and in any case similar repeats will come up
> in later sections of the piece. Triple segnos are too confusing for me!
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
> JR
>
>
> > On Aug 15, 2019, at 9:35 AM, David H. Bailey 
> wrote:
> >
> > On 8/15/2019 8:29 AM, John Roberts wrote:
> >> That’s the first thing I tried, David - I got a very long line on the
> first system that stretched way off the page.
> >> JR
> >
> > Is this something you have to do for a client or is it your own
> project?  If it's your own project, might it be better to use some sort of
> D.S. structure instead of a long first ending?
> >
> > I just tried my solution and it doesn't work -- sorry.
> >
> > I guess you just have to place it in page view, where the start of the
> ending bracket will show on the first system included in the ending, and
> the end of the ending bracket will show on its system and you'll simply
> have to place graphic lines on the in-between systems.
> >
> > I could swear my solution used to work alright when placing it in scroll
> view, but I may be confusing Finale with Sibelius, where it definitely is
> much easier to accomplish what you want.
> >
> >
> > --
> > *
> > David H. Bailey
> > dhbaile...@comcast.net
> > http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com
>
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Re: [Finale] Long first ending

[Jon Delfin]

Foolishly, the "To adjust the brackets on a repeat ending" in Finale Help
does not say that this is best accomplished in Page View, but that has
always been the case. (They also don't tell you to wait to make the
adjustment until after layout is complete. Oy.)

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:22 AM John Roberts  wrote:

> It’s a guitar tab piece, a 32-bar waltz section and with variation on the
> repeat it works out to 16-bar 1st and 2nd endings, with about 5 bars per
> system. I also seem to remember that your solution used to work, but it’s a
> long time since I needed to do this.
>
> It is for a client, but it’s my call on how it’s laid out. I need to keep
> the music theory minimal for folk guitar students  :-)  so I think a DS
> system wouldn’t work for me, and in any case similar repeats will come up
> in later sections of the piece. Triple segnos are too confusing for me!
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
> JR
>
>
> > On Aug 15, 2019, at 9:35 AM, David H. Bailey 
> wrote:
> >
> > On 8/15/2019 8:29 AM, John Roberts wrote:
> >> That’s the first thing I tried, David - I got a very long line on the
> first system that stretched way off the page.
> >> JR
> >
> > Is this something you have to do for a client or is it your own
> project?  If it's your own project, might it be better to use some sort of
> D.S. structure instead of a long first ending?
> >
> > I just tried my solution and it doesn't work -- sorry.
> >
> > I guess you just have to place it in page view, where the start of the
> ending bracket will show on the first system included in the ending, and
> the end of the ending bracket will show on its system and you'll simply
> have to place graphic lines on the in-between systems.
> >
> > I could swear my solution used to work alright when placing it in scroll
> view, but I may be confusing Finale with Sibelius, where it definitely is
> much easier to accomplish what you want.
> >
> >
> > --
> > *
> > David H. Bailey
> > dhbaile...@comcast.net
> > http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com
>
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Re: [Finale] Long first ending

[John Roberts]

It’s a guitar tab piece, a 32-bar waltz section and with variation on the 
repeat it works out to 16-bar 1st and 2nd endings, with about 5 bars per 
system. I also seem to remember that your solution used to work, but it’s a 
long time since I needed to do this. 

It is for a client, but it’s my call on how it’s laid out. I need to keep the 
music theory minimal for folk guitar students  :-)  so I think a DS system 
wouldn’t work for me, and in any case similar repeats will come up in later 
sections of the piece. Triple segnos are too confusing for me!

Thanks for the input.

JR

 
> On Aug 15, 2019, at 9:35 AM, David H. Bailey  wrote:
> 
> On 8/15/2019 8:29 AM, John Roberts wrote:
>> That’s the first thing I tried, David - I got a very long line on the first 
>> system that stretched way off the page.
>> JR
> 
> Is this something you have to do for a client or is it your own project?  If 
> it's your own project, might it be better to use some sort of D.S. structure 
> instead of a long first ending?
> 
> I just tried my solution and it doesn't work -- sorry.
> 
> I guess you just have to place it in page view, where the start of the ending 
> bracket will show on the first system included in the ending, and the end of 
> the ending bracket will show on its system and you'll simply have to place 
> graphic lines on the in-between systems.
> 
> I could swear my solution used to work alright when placing it in scroll 
> view, but I may be confusing Finale with Sibelius, where it definitely is 
> much easier to accomplish what you want.
> 
> 
> -- 
> *
> David H. Bailey
> dhbaile...@comcast.net
> http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com


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Re: [Finale] Long first ending

[David H. Bailey]

On 8/15/2019 8:29 AM, John Roberts wrote:

That’s the first thing I tried, David - I got a very long line on the first 
system that stretched way off the page.

JR


Is this something you have to do for a client or is it your own project? 
 If it's your own project, might it be better to use some sort of D.S. 
structure instead of a long first ending?


I just tried my solution and it doesn't work -- sorry.

I guess you just have to place it in page view, where the start of the 
ending bracket will show on the first system included in the ending, and 
the end of the ending bracket will show on its system and you'll simply 
have to place graphic lines on the in-between systems.


I could swear my solution used to work alright when placing it in scroll 
view, but I may be confusing Finale with Sibelius, where it definitely 
is much easier to accomplish what you want.



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Re: [Finale] Long first ending

[John Roberts]

That’s the first thing I tried, David - I got a very long line on the first 
system that stretched way off the page.

JR



> On Aug 15, 2019, at 4:54 AM, David H. Bailey 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 8/14/2019 11:47 PM, John Roberts wrote:
>> How do I make a long first ending bracket that continues over multiple 
>> systems?
> 
> Switch to scroll view -- making long endings is much easier there.
> 
> 
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Re: [Finale] Long first ending

[David H. Bailey]

I just clicked on the link and got the error screen saying that 
hmauro.com domain has expired.


David H. Bailey

On 8/15/2019 6:14 AM, Haroldo Mauro wrote:

I tried Scroll View, but when I switched back to Page View this is what I got:

http://hmauro.com/finale/repeatOverSystems.png 


Update layout…redraw screen... did nothing. Is there a quick, easy way to fix 
that?

Harold



On 15 Aug 2019, at 05:54, David H. Bailey  
wrote:

On 8/14/2019 11:47 PM, John Roberts wrote:

How do I make a long first ending bracket that continues over multiple systems?


Switch to scroll view -- making long endings is much easier there.


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Re: [Finale] Long first ending

[Haroldo Mauro]

I tried Scroll View, but when I switched back to Page View this is what I got:

http://hmauro.com/finale/repeatOverSystems.png 


Update layout…redraw screen... did nothing. Is there a quick, easy way to fix 
that?

Harold


> On 15 Aug 2019, at 05:54, David H. Bailey 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 8/14/2019 11:47 PM, John Roberts wrote:
>> How do I make a long first ending bracket that continues over multiple 
>> systems?
> 
> Switch to scroll view -- making long endings is much easier there.
> 
> 
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Re: [Finale] Long first ending

[David H. Bailey]

On 8/14/2019 11:47 PM, John Roberts wrote:

How do I make a long first ending bracket that continues over multiple systems?



Switch to scroll view -- making long endings is much easier there.


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[Finale] Long first ending

[John Roberts]

How do I make a long first ending bracket that continues over multiple systems?

Thanks,
John Roberts
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