{Spam} Re: [Finale] blank boxes
On 1/9/2011 10:07 AM, Steve Parker wrote: I've used them to hide bits of staves, bits of notes etc. Things that I want to half hide. For modern scores. How can I get an opaque box? Does anyone have any info on layers? When you say modern scores are you really asking about cutaway scores? They're possible in Finale without messing with opaque boxes -- look in the on-line documentation. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] blank boxes
In my previous notation program I used a lot of empty text boxes to stop things from appearing in print. I had the option of moving the graphics layer of any element (including these white boxes) up or down. Is there any equivalent in Finale? Thanks! Steve P. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] blank boxes
On 1/9/2011 8:45 AM, Steve Parker wrote: In my previous notation program I used a lot of empty text boxes to stop things from appearing in print. I had the option of moving the graphics layer of any element (including these white boxes) up or down. Is there any equivalent in Finale? Yes, you can position opaque boxes over things, but no, there is no way to control the order in which Finale draws things. Your method will work if the thing you're trying to hide happens to be in a lower drawing layer. I think others may have more specific information about the order Finale uses. On the other hand, one of the available text styles (in expressions and text boxes) is Hidden. So if you have a reminder note or something that you want on screen but not printed, you can set the text to Hidden. It will display lightly on screen but will not print. What items are you trying to hide? There may be other Finale-ish ways of doing it. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] blank boxes
I've used them to hide bits of staves, bits of notes etc. Things that I want to half hide. For modern scores. How can I get an opaque box? Does anyone have any info on layers? Thanks! Steve P. On 9 Jan 2011, at 14:24, Aaron Sherber wrote: On 1/9/2011 8:45 AM, Steve Parker wrote: In my previous notation program I used a lot of empty text boxes to stop things from appearing in print. I had the option of moving the graphics layer of any element (including these white boxes) up or down. Is there any equivalent in Finale? Yes, you can position opaque boxes over things, but no, there is no way to control the order in which Finale draws things. Your method will work if the thing you're trying to hide happens to be in a lower drawing layer. I think others may have more specific information about the order Finale uses. On the other hand, one of the available text styles (in expressions and text boxes) is Hidden. So if you have a reminder note or something that you want on screen but not printed, you can set the text to Hidden. It will display lightly on screen but will not print. What items are you trying to hide? There may be other Finale-ish ways of doing it. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] blank boxes
On Sun, January 9, 2011 8:45 am, Steve Parker wrote: In my previous notation program I used a lot of empty text boxes to stop things from appearing in print. I had the option of moving the graphics layer of any element (including these white boxes) up or down. Is there any equivalent in Finale? Now I understand why all the questions. Coming from another notation program can be a bear -- as can going to another one (I've failed at Sibelius, and never was comfortable with Graphire). So yes. You can create opaque boxes in Finale but they don't cover everything. There's some internal layering going on in the program that I don't follow, but things like staves and notes can't be covered up. However, you may not need boxes anymore There are two more recent developments that probably give you what you need: 1. The show checkbox (in the context menu for most items) is really useful for having things visible on the music but won't print. 2. Partial measure selection means staff styles can hide most anything else of your choice. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] blank boxes
On 9 Jan 2011, at 14:09, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: 2. Partial measure selection means staff styles can hide most anything else of your choice. Ah.. this helps. Thanks! Steve P. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] blank boxes
On Sun, January 9, 2011 10:07 am, Steve Parker wrote: How can I get an opaque box? Shape designer. Welcome to hell. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] blank boxes
On 9 Jan 2011, at 14:09, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Now I understand why all the questions. I used Finale decades (just about) ago. Then used Igor Engraver pretty much from the beginning and as a beta tester. Almost anything suggested was incorporated! For various reasons Igor died. I used it until I was hoop-jumping to print then moved to Finale. I've used Finale now for a couple of years. The trouble is that I'm working in it daily with deadlines and no time to sort out the stupid ways that I'm going about stuff. In terms of workflow, Igor and Finale are about as opposite as possible! In the past couple of days I've probably upped my chops 1000%! Thanks from everyone for all the help! Steve P. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
{Spam} RE: [Finale] blank boxes
I used Finale decades (just about) ago. Then used Igor Engraver pretty much from the beginning and as a beta tester. Hi Steve. Welcome to Finale. Any chance that you have a secret Noteheads code or address that can persuade them to stop sending me monthly emails? I sometimes imagine a time thousands of years from now when civilization and technology have crumbled except for this one email server faithfully sending out its monthly notices. Kind if like Wall-E, but not as cute. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: {Spam} RE: [Finale] blank boxes
hehe.. I think it's sent from a galaxy light years away where it is still functioning software.. Unfortunately a story of a genius who sold his software to a group of people who had no idea what they'd bought. Steve P. On 9 Jan 2011, at 16:53, Richard Yates wrote: I used Finale decades (just about) ago. Then used Igor Engraver pretty much from the beginning and as a beta tester. Hi Steve. Welcome to Finale. Any chance that you have a secret Noteheads code or address that can persuade them to stop sending me monthly emails? I sometimes imagine a time thousands of years from now when civilization and technology have crumbled except for this one email server faithfully sending out its monthly notices. Kind if like Wall-E, but not as cute. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] blank boxes
Have discovered the delights of the shape designer. I quite like it - it's not full of stuff I don't understand! I can't find how to have an opaque box. Is it possible? Steve P. On 9 Jan 2011, at 15:16, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: On Sun, January 9, 2011 10:07 am, Steve Parker wrote: How can I get an opaque box? Shape designer. Welcome to hell. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] blank boxes
On Sun, January 9, 2011 2:28 pm, Steve Parker wrote: Have discovered the delights of the shape designer. I quite like it - it's not full of stuff I don't understand! I can't find how to have an opaque box. Is it possible? There are line and fill options. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] blank boxes
Didn't think to look at the menu bar.. Perfect - this is better than I'd hoped! Thanks! Steve P. On 9 Jan 2011, at 19:29, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: On Sun, January 9, 2011 2:28 pm, Steve Parker wrote: Have discovered the delights of the shape designer. I quite like it - it's not full of stuff I don't understand! I can't find how to have an opaque box. Is it possible? There are line and fill options. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] blank boxes
What you won't understand is why it never reacts the way you think it should once you get it into the score. I can't even get a shape expression to appear in the same place twice when I look at it. I can't stand the damned thing, and never use it as a result. christopher On Sun Jan 9, at SundayJan 9 2:28 PM, Steve Parker wrote: Have discovered the delights of the shape designer. I quite like it - it's not full of stuff I don't understand! I can't find how to have an opaque box. Is it possible? Steve P. On 9 Jan 2011, at 15:16, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: On Sun, January 9, 2011 10:07 am, Steve Parker wrote: How can I get an opaque box? Shape designer. Welcome to hell. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] blank boxes
Yes.. I'd just about got there.. Turning off 'allow horizontal stretching' helps. It would be good to attach it to the page rather than to a measure. Actually that would be good for all expressions too. For me I think it is workable as the very last step before publishing. Steve P. On 9 Jan 2011, at 19:45, Christopher Smith wrote: What you won't understand is why it never reacts the way you think it should once you get it into the score. I can't even get a shape expression to appear in the same place twice when I look at it. I can't stand the damned thing, and never use it as a result. christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] blank boxes
Don't forget to assign your blank box expression to a metatool. Otherwise, if you enter it 'manually' into the score a number of times from the same shape (Expression), and change one of them, it will change all of them. The same if you copy one from one system to the other. Also write to Makemusic and request that they introduce boxes and circles, with fills, as (custom) smart-shapes - this would make life so much easier! Matthew On 10/01/11 6:55 AM, Steve Parker wrote: Yes.. I'd just about got there.. Turning off 'allow horizontal stretching' helps. It would be good to attach it to the page rather than to a measure. Actually that would be good for all expressions too. For me I think it is workable as the very last step before publishing. Steve P. On 9 Jan 2011, at 19:45, Christopher Smith wrote: What you won't understand is why it never reacts the way you think it should once you get it into the score. I can't even get a shape expression to appear in the same place twice when I look at it. I can't stand the damned thing, and never use it as a result. christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] blank boxes
On 10 Jan 2011, at 00:25, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: Don't forget to assign your blank box expression to a metatool. Otherwise, if you enter it 'manually' into the score a number of times from the same shape (Expression), and change one of them, it will change all of them. The same if you copy one from one system to the other. I'll watch out for this. Thank you! Steve P. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
