Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 Announced
On 11.07.2008 David W. Fenton wrote: But 10.3 is quite dated now. I just don't understand this mentality. According to Wikipedia, Panther was released Oct. 24, 2003, which means it's less than 5 years old. I'm running WinXP on my laptop and Win2K on my desktop, which means that both of my OS's are older than five years old. It's ridiculous for Apple to release OS versions that are not backwardly compatible and for software vendors to design their apps such they they are incompatible with OS versions that are only 5 years old. Here we go again... Sorry, David, but you completely missed my point. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 Announced
On 11.07.2008 Andrew Stiller wrote: I have Mac OS 10.3, wh. apparently FinMac 09 won't support. Since long, bitter experience has taught me *never* to upgrade an OS, but rather to buy a new computer with the upgraded version already on it, Finale 09, promising though it seems, is definitely not worth the required forklift upgrade. I have found System updates much less painful with recent versions of OS X, though I agree that there is always a risk involved that certain applications will refuse to work after the upgrade. On the other hand I am still on 10.4.x and am not planning to upgrade to 10.5 for the time being. But 10.3 is quite dated now. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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10.3 to 10.4 is painless, unless you need to do file sharing over Ethertalk (highly unlikely). Upgrading to 10.5 is a much bigger step, and I disrecommend it. I use 10.5 exclusively now, but I had to upgrade much of my software to get there. I did upgrade one computer from 10.4, and I found it to be the most annoying and troublesome upgrade ever foisted on me by Apple. (It was still far easier than major Windows upgrades, though.) On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11.07.2008 Andrew Stiller wrote: I have Mac OS 10.3, wh. apparently FinMac 09 won't support. Since long, bitter experience has taught me *never* to upgrade an OS, but rather to buy a new computer with the upgraded version already on it, Finale 09, promising though it seems, is definitely not worth the required forklift upgrade. I have found System updates much less painful with recent versions of OS X, though I agree that there is always a risk involved that certain applications will refuse to work after the upgrade. On the other hand I am still on 10.4.x and am not planning to upgrade to 10.5 for the time being. But 10.3 is quite dated now. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On Jul 11, 2008, at 10:30 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: I did upgrade one computer from 10.4, and I found it to be the most annoying and troublesome upgrade ever foisted on me by Apple. (It was still far easier than major Windows upgrades, though.) My system is not very complex, but I found the move from 10.4 to 10.5 very painless. I used the archive and install option. Dick H Olympia, Wa ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Wow Robert, I had no file sharing trouble in my venture from 10.3 to 10.4. In fact, file sharing is one area that has been trouble-free for me all the way thru OS X. But the upgrade the 10.5 was quite problematic, as yours. I'm convinced mine was due to the gawd-awful Migration Assistant. *** J D Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR www.thomastudios.com On Jul 11, 2008, at 10:30 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: 10.3 to 10.4 is painless, unless you need to do file sharing over Ethertalk (highly unlikely). Upgrading to 10.5 is a much bigger step, and I disrecommend it. I use 10.5 exclusively now, but I had to upgrade much of my software to get there. I did upgrade one computer from 10.4, and I found it to be the most annoying and troublesome upgrade ever foisted on me by Apple. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 11 Jul 2008 at 19:14, Johannes Gebauer wrote: But 10.3 is quite dated now. I just don't understand this mentality. According to Wikipedia, Panther was released Oct. 24, 2003, which means it's less than 5 years old. I'm running WinXP on my laptop and Win2K on my desktop, which means that both of my OS's are older than five years old. It's ridiculous for Apple to release OS versions that are not backwardly compatible and for software vendors to design their apps such they they are incompatible with OS versions that are only 5 years old. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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This has always been the tradeoff between Apple and Microsoft. Microsoft tends to value backwards compatibility, but moves very slowly to evolve their OS and software into superior products, since they are stuck in a quagmire of backwards compatibility. Even the ages old 8086 processor balonie(ie, interrupts, etc.) are antiquated and should have been superseded a long time ago, but haven't been in order to maintain backwards compatibility. That is a blessing and a curse. Apple on the other hand, has made serious advancements in its hardware and software over the past 5-10 years. On the other hand, backwards compatibility is often a nightmare for customers and software developers both. That is the price to pay for a technically much superior operating system that is evolving significantly I guess, but make no mistake, there is a price to pay. Pick your poison. In summary, in doggie years (Apple), 5 years is an eternity and yes, Panther is ancient. But 5 years for Microsoft is nothing. Are they out of beta yet? (just kidding). So yea, Panther is dated. Yes, XP is not dated. Leopard is awesome though. For me, lately I have fallen in love with Leopard and I'm getting rid of my PC's and going all mac. On Jul 11, 2008, at 11:34 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 11 Jul 2008 at 19:14, Johannes Gebauer wrote: But 10.3 is quite dated now. I just don't understand this mentality. According to Wikipedia, Panther was released Oct. 24, 2003, which means it's less than 5 years old. I'm running WinXP on my laptop and Win2K on my desktop, which means that both of my OS's are older than five years old. It's ridiculous for Apple to release OS versions that are not backwardly compatible and for software vendors to design their apps such they they are incompatible with OS versions that are only 5 years old. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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At 7/11/2008 01:30 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: (It was still far easier than major Windows upgrades, though.) Interesting observation. WinNt4 to Win2000 was mindless, no changes needed. Win2000 to WinXP was mindless, no changes needed. WinXP to Vista is annoying. But Finale 3.7 runs fine on it. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 Announced
Hence the mess you have they call vista. On Jul 11, 2008, at 11:34 AM, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11 Jul 2008 at 19:14, Johannes Gebauer wrote: But 10.3 is quite dated now. I just don't understand this mentality. According to Wikipedia, Panther was released Oct. 24, 2003, which means it's less than 5 years old. I'm running WinXP on my laptop and Win2K on my desktop, which means that both of my OS's are older than five years old. It's ridiculous for Apple to release OS versions that are not backwardly compatible and for software vendors to design their apps such they they are incompatible with OS versions that are only 5 years old. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale 2009 Announced
Anyone see any features worth working with in '09? How many of you will stay with '08? Let the discussion begin! Patrick J. M. Sheehan Woodlawn Arts Academy, Instructor, Music Director Centennial Auditorium, Music Director Conductor P.S. Music Host, The Saturday Night Blues: 89.5 WNIJ 9 p.m. - 12 a.m., streaming live at WNIJ.org Copyist -- The Glenn Miller Orchestra YouTube channel: MaestroPS2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-815-501-8327 (m) 1-815-285-4401 (f) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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How many haven't left 2006 yet?!! I might be convinced to upgrade if the Engraver slurs really *do* work now... -Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patrick Sheehan asked: Anyone see any features worth working with in '09? How many of you will stay with '08? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Well, I'm still using '06, so it's probably time for me to upgrade. --- Patrick Sheehan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone see any features worth working with in '09? How many of you will stay with '08? Let the discussion begin! Patrick J. M. Sheehan Woodlawn Arts Academy, Instructor, Music Director Centennial Auditorium, Music Director Conductor P.S. Music Host, The Saturday Night Blues: 89.5 WNIJ 9 p.m. - 12 a.m., streaming live at WNIJ.org Copyist -- The Glenn Miller Orchestra YouTube channel: MaestroPS2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-815-501-8327 (m) 1-815-285-4401 (f) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Patrick Sheehan wrote: Anyone see any features worth working with in '09? Yes. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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--- Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many haven't left 2006 yet?!! I might be convinced to upgrade if the Engraver slurs really *do* work now... That's why I'm thinking of ugrading. -Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patrick Sheehan asked: Anyone see any features worth working with in '09? How many of you will stay with '08? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On Thu, July 10, 2008 11:05 am, Lora Crighton wrote: --- Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I might be convinced to upgrade if the Engraver slurs really *do* work now... That's why I'm thinking of ugrading. If other vector features worked, then I'd really pay attention! I'm talking Shape Designer -- a feature very important to the work I do. It's clumsy (unimproved in what, 15 years?), buggy, non-WYSIWYG (like the Engraver Slurs) and feature-starved. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Anyone see any features worth working with in '09? How many of you will stay with '08? Let the discussion begin! I'll upgrade, but keep 2008 working in parallel until I'm comfortable with 09. I use 2008 on a daily basis, both in teaching as well as my personal composition/arrangements/whatever and I can only say how pleased I am to the stability as well as the functionality, it's such a shift from the earlier versions. / Chris B ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Patrick Sheehan queried: Anyone see any features worth working with in '09? Even though I see important functions that don't seem to be addressed (fixing and improving linked parts, for example), this upgrade doesn't seem to have too much added fluff. The improvements in the way we can work with expressions is one I've been dreaming about for years. Of course, we'll have to wait and see how well it actually works. It often takes a few versions to weed out the worst bugs. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I saw Tom Carruth demo '09 on Tuesday. He said there were things they still needed to fix with linked parts. Duh. I told him that linked parts weren't useful for most composers and he countered with how useful they were for those using Smart Music. Clearly, that's where the main thrust of features/upgrades/fixes will be generated because it is what is making money for them now. I can't argue with their business model, but it is frustrating for the professional user. Still, the new expression tool looks absolutely wonderful. Make one global setting per category and everything you drag into the category takes on those settings. Rehearsal numbers, tempo markings, whatever. It looks like they're going to that model for several tools (expressions, for example) and that someday (2011?) we may use only a couple of different dialog boxes. For those who prefer to use samples as their sounds, the new Aria engine in place of the Kontakt 2 player should offer better stability with Leopard and it will allow almost any sample to be used with Finale. To me, all of the options sound too far from reality to be useful, so I stick with the fast, generic softsyth. Because it is so bad, it always makes me imagine the real sound. I asked about Speedy Entry. Tom said that they will not do away with it until it can be folded into Simple Entry with exactly the same behavior as it currently has. The main difference for some of us composers is that Simple works as Duration then Pitch and Speedy works as Pitch then Duration. I think in Pitch then Duration, so the switch to working in Simple has been impossible for me, even though there are other great benefits. In my book, the expression tool alone is worth the upgrade. -Carolyn Bremer Associate Chair, Cole Conservatory of Music Area Director, Composition and Theory California State University, Long Beach On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Randolph Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrick Sheehan queried: Anyone see any features worth working with in '09? Even though I see important functions that don't seem to be addressed (fixing and improving linked parts, for example), this upgrade doesn't seem to have too much added fluff. The improvements in the way we can work with expressions is one I've been dreaming about for years. Of course, we'll have to wait and see how well it actually works. It often takes a few versions to weed out the worst bugs. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 Announced
Staying with 2007 thanks Patrick Sheehan wrote: Anyone see any features worth working with in '09? How many of you will stay with '08? Let the discussion begin! Patrick J. M. Sheehan Woodlawn Arts Academy, Instructor, Music Director Centennial Auditorium, Music Director Conductor P.S. Music Host, The Saturday Night Blues: 89.5 WNIJ 9 p.m. - 12 a.m., streaming live at WNIJ.org Copyist -- The Glenn Miller Orchestra YouTube channel: MaestroPS2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-815-501-8327 (m) 1-815-285-4401 (f) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
