Re: [Finale] Instrument changing - midscore
Jim and Pat Sodke wrote: Hi all I'm in the middle of an arrangement for jazz combo with four horns. The band is full of doublers, and halfway through the arrangement, the 1st clarinet switches to Trumpet, and the 2nd clarinet to trombone. How do I Change the two staves to indicate the switching of instruments, and change the 2nd clarinet to bass clef with the appropriate key signature? How do I change the midi instruments at this point in the score to give the correct playback? Thanks - Jim The Clarinet to Trumpet is extremely simple -- create an expression TRUMPET which also includes a patch change to the trumpet sound (if you want accurate playback) since clarinet and trumpet share the same transposition and clef. Then create a second expression CLARINET which sets the patch back to the clarinet sound. The Clarinet to Trombone switch is a bit more complicated. You don't say which version of Finale you're using, but if it is a version which uses Staff Styles, you would accomplish what you want using staff styles defined for the different transpositions/clefs that you need. If you're on an older version, you'll need to set the Clarinet 2 staff to Independent Key Signature, then insert the same sort of expression as in the first paragraph, and insert a clef-change using the Clef Tool and change the key signature using the Key Signature tool. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Instrument changing - midscore
David Thanks, but I'm sure I'm finding how to do what you suggest. I'm using Finale for Windows 2004. Can you you give me a few more details? J - Original Message - From: dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Instrument changing - midscore Jim and Pat Sodke wrote: Hi all I'm in the middle of an arrangement for jazz combo with four horns. The band is full of doublers, and halfway through the arrangement, the 1st clarinet switches to Trumpet, and the 2nd clarinet to trombone. How do I Change the two staves to indicate the switching of instruments, and change the 2nd clarinet to bass clef with the appropriate key signature? How do I change the midi instruments at this point in the score to give the correct playback? Thanks - Jim The Clarinet to Trumpet is extremely simple -- create an expression TRUMPET which also includes a patch change to the trumpet sound (if you want accurate playback) since clarinet and trumpet share the same transposition and clef. Then create a second expression CLARINET which sets the patch back to the clarinet sound. The Clarinet to Trombone switch is a bit more complicated. You don't say which version of Finale you're using, but if it is a version which uses Staff Styles, you would accomplish what you want using staff styles defined for the different transpositions/clefs that you need. If you're on an older version, you'll need to set the Clarinet 2 staff to Independent Key Signature, then insert the same sort of expression as in the first paragraph, and insert a clef-change using the Clef Tool and change the key signature using the Key Signature tool. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Instrument changing - midscore
Christopher Thank you so much. Any help on changing the midi playback instrument at these points? Jim - Original Message - From: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Instrument changing - midscore Here's step by step, assuming you have already set your staff to clarinet clef and transposition. Staff Tool, staff menu, Define Staff Styles. Available Styles, click the button New to the right. Name it Trombone Transposition Select the box First Clef, Select and make it bass clef Transposition, click Select and make sure it it set to None. When you exit this box, there will be a check mark where previously there was a dash. If you want the score to reflect the new instrument staff names, change the Full Staff Name to Trombone, and the Abbr. Staff Name to trb. There shouldn't be anything else to touch here. Clicking any box might turn it full on or full off, which means that that aspect WILL change when you apply the staff style. A dash means no change will be applied. OK your way back out. To apply it, select the passage with Staff Tool, and in the Staff Menu select Apply Staff Style. Choose Trombone Transposition, and all will be astonishingly perfect. I suggest that you apply it from the first measure containing trombone notes (not before, as some do) until the next measure containing clarinet notes. However, I would put To trombone as a staff expressions IMMEDIATELY after the last note of clarinet, and On trombone or Trombone over the first note of trombone music. Similarly to go back to clarinet. Obviously, clarinet and trumpet have the same clef and transposition, so just the staff expression indicating the instrument change is all you need. Notice that there is a pre-made Clarinet staff style. This is designed to be applied to sax staves. Christopher On Mar 13, 2005, at 8:17 AM, Jim and Pat Sodke wrote: David Thanks, but I'm sure I'm finding how to do what you suggest. I'm using Finale for Windows 2004. Can you you give me a few more details? J - Original Message - From: dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Instrument changing - midscore Jim and Pat Sodke wrote: Hi all I'm in the middle of an arrangement for jazz combo with four horns. The band is full of doublers, and halfway through the arrangement, the 1st clarinet switches to Trumpet, and the 2nd clarinet to trombone. How do I Change the two staves to indicate the switching of instruments, and change the 2nd clarinet to bass clef with the appropriate key signature? How do I change the midi instruments at this point in the score to give the correct playback? Thanks - Jim The Clarinet to Trumpet is extremely simple -- create an expression TRUMPET which also includes a patch change to the trumpet sound (if you want accurate playback) since clarinet and trumpet share the same transposition and clef. Then create a second expression CLARINET which sets the patch back to the clarinet sound. The Clarinet to Trombone switch is a bit more complicated. You don't say which version of Finale you're using, but if it is a version which uses Staff Styles, you would accomplish what you want using staff styles defined for the different transpositions/clefs that you need. If you're on an older version, you'll need to set the Clarinet 2 staff to Independent Key Signature, then insert the same sort of expression as in the first paragraph, and insert a clef-change using the Clef Tool and change the key signature using the Key Signature tool. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Instrument changing - midscore
What don't you understand? You may need to read the documentation regarding creating staff styles in order to create just what you need. Finale2004 has staff styles, so you can do just what I suggest once you understand how to create a staff style. The expression creation where the patch changes is simple -- click on the tab for playback when you create the expression, and click the down-triangle and select PATCH. Once you do that, a list of the GM patches appears to the right and you can scroll down until you find the patch you want. David Jim and Pat Sodke wrote: David Thanks, but I'm sure I'm finding how to do what you suggest. I'm using Finale for Windows 2004. Can you you give me a few more details? J - Original Message - From: dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Instrument changing - midscore Jim and Pat Sodke wrote: Hi all I'm in the middle of an arrangement for jazz combo with four horns. The band is full of doublers, and halfway through the arrangement, the 1st clarinet switches to Trumpet, and the 2nd clarinet to trombone. How do I Change the two staves to indicate the switching of instruments, and change the 2nd clarinet to bass clef with the appropriate key signature? How do I change the midi instruments at this point in the score to give the correct playback? Thanks - Jim The Clarinet to Trumpet is extremely simple -- create an expression TRUMPET which also includes a patch change to the trumpet sound (if you want accurate playback) since clarinet and trumpet share the same transposition and clef. Then create a second expression CLARINET which sets the patch back to the clarinet sound. The Clarinet to Trombone switch is a bit more complicated. You don't say which version of Finale you're using, but if it is a version which uses Staff Styles, you would accomplish what you want using staff styles defined for the different transpositions/clefs that you need. If you're on an older version, you'll need to set the Clarinet 2 staff to Independent Key Signature, then insert the same sort of expression as in the first paragraph, and insert a clef-change using the Clef Tool and change the key signature using the Key Signature tool. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Instrument changing - midscore
Thanks Dave - got it now... - Original Message - From: dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Instrument changing - midscore What don't you understand? You may need to read the documentation regarding creating staff styles in order to create just what you need. Finale2004 has staff styles, so you can do just what I suggest once you understand how to create a staff style. The expression creation where the patch changes is simple -- click on the tab for playback when you create the expression, and click the down-triangle and select PATCH. Once you do that, a list of the GM patches appears to the right and you can scroll down until you find the patch you want. David Jim and Pat Sodke wrote: David Thanks, but I'm sure I'm finding how to do what you suggest. I'm using Finale for Windows 2004. Can you you give me a few more details? J - Original Message - From: dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Instrument changing - midscore Jim and Pat Sodke wrote: Hi all I'm in the middle of an arrangement for jazz combo with four horns. The band is full of doublers, and halfway through the arrangement, the 1st clarinet switches to Trumpet, and the 2nd clarinet to trombone. How do I Change the two staves to indicate the switching of instruments, and change the 2nd clarinet to bass clef with the appropriate key signature? How do I change the midi instruments at this point in the score to give the correct playback? Thanks - Jim The Clarinet to Trumpet is extremely simple -- create an expression TRUMPET which also includes a patch change to the trumpet sound (if you want accurate playback) since clarinet and trumpet share the same transposition and clef. Then create a second expression CLARINET which sets the patch back to the clarinet sound. The Clarinet to Trombone switch is a bit more complicated. You don't say which version of Finale you're using, but if it is a version which uses Staff Styles, you would accomplish what you want using staff styles defined for the different transpositions/clefs that you need. If you're on an older version, you'll need to set the Clarinet 2 staff to Independent Key Signature, then insert the same sort of expression as in the first paragraph, and insert a clef-change using the Clef Tool and change the key signature using the Key Signature tool. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Instrument changing - midscore
On Mar 13, 2005, at 3:51 PM, Jim and Pat Sodke wrote: Christopher Thank you so much. Any help on changing the midi playback instrument at these points? Jim I just need to quote David Bailey's original reply. I'm not sure how easy it is to do this in 2004, but it is dead easy in 2005, under Playback Options for the expression in question. I suggest assigning the playback to the beginning of the bar, as it takes a fraction of a second to change patches, which might cause the playback to hiccup if you assign to the first note. If you have a note on the first beat, do what you can to switch the patch a bit earlier. The Clarinet to Trumpet is extremely simple -- create an expression TRUMPET which also includes a patch change to the trumpet sound (if you want accurate playback) since clarinet and trumpet share the same transposition and clef. Then create a second expression CLARINET which sets the patch back to the clarinet sound. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
