Re: [Finale] Tips site update! AND a Simple Entry query
On Feb 26, 2005, at 1:05 AM, Don Hart wrote: Jari, Thanks for keeping up this website and for adding helpful things like the new interviews. I read through most of Tyler Turner's interview (I didn't realize the escape key did that!) and I thought I'd put out a general question about Simple Entry to the list: How many reading this have been converted from *midi* speedy note entry to the new and improved simple note entry by Finale's recent push in that direction? While I am still a hard-core Speedy person, I am forced to use Simple on my laptop when I am away from my desktop computer (MIDI-less Speedy without a numeric keypad is rather clumsy, IMHO) and I am suitably impressed with it. I know Linda Worsley, among others, is a complete Simple Enterer, though she was long before the overhaul, and many of my students who lack MIDI keyboards use this too. Perhaps rather than converting people, it makes Finale easier and more attractive to people who might never use MIDI Speedy entry. One thing I have noticed is that percussion maps seem to behave differently in Simple than in Speedy, for some reason. I haven't worked out exactly what it is, but I get unexpected results with automatic X heads at times. When I have time to muddle through it and figure out the behaviour, I will report in. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tips site update! AND a Simple Entry query
At 09:17 AM 2/26/05 -0500, Christopher Smith wrote: While I am still a hard-core Speedy person, I am forced to use Simple on my laptop when I am away from my desktop computer (MIDI-less Speedy without a numeric keypad is rather clumsy I also use Speedy. In fact, as a funny aside: the Discovery Channel feature Deadly Women two weeks ago showed me entering part of the opera score into Finale via Speedy numeric keypad. :) The composition was re-staged for the camera, but anybody who knew Finale would recognize it immediately! Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tips site update! AND a Simple Entry query
At 09:17 AM 02/26/2005, Christopher Smith wrote: While I am still a hard-core Speedy person, I am forced to use Simple on my laptop when I am away from my desktop computer (MIDI-less Speedy without a numeric keypad is rather clumsy, IMHO) I recently bought a USB numeric keypad for just this reason. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tips site update! AND a Simple Entry query
on 2/26/05 1:48 AM, Jari Williamsson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am, but I don't use a MIDI keyboard. I'd love to hear any details about your working method that you'd care to give up. BTW, I've modified the introduction text to Tyler's interview a little bit. He doesn't work at MM any more, and I don't think I was clear about that. I had picked up that fact. I guess I was applying guilt by previous association. :-) Tyler has also posted a great text about Simple Entry configuration on the Tips site's forum: http://www.finaletips.nu/forum/ He has a lot of compelling tips on note entry. From just reading about it, I think the process is too drastic for me to wade into, at least right now. But it has definitely peaked my curiosity, so maybe at some point. For users who are, perhaps, still in college, or otherwise still developing their working method, Simple Entry seems to be well worth serious consideration. Don Hart ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tips site update! AND a Simple Entry query
on 2/26/05 8:17 AM, Christopher Smith at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many reading this have been converted from *midi* speedy note entry to the new and improved simple note entry by Finale's recent push in that direction? While I am still a hard-core Speedy person, I am forced to use Simple on my laptop when I am away from my desktop computer (MIDI-less Speedy without a numeric keypad is rather clumsy, IMHO) and I am suitably impressed with it. I know Linda Worsley, among others, is a complete Simple Enterer, though she was long before the overhaul, and many of my students who lack MIDI keyboards use this too. Perhaps rather than converting people, it makes Finale easier and more attractive to people who might never use MIDI Speedy entry. Thanks for your take on things Christopher. I think the attractiveness of Simple to folks w/out midi is valid. I've used Speedy long enough now and in such a way that it has become an important part of my creative process. That's similar, if I recall correctly, to what Linda Worsley has written about her use of Simple. I've heard that MakeMusic is looking toward eventually combining the two tools (note entry methods). Maybe I'm not all the way to nervous, but that prospect makes me wonder about the outcome and how it would affect users like Linda and myself. It might just be my imagination, but MM's position on this seem's a bit calculated: short of proselytizing but preparing users for what could be coming. On the other hand, Finale, over the years, for the greater part, has allowed me to maintain use of the program in the way with which I'm comfortable. I think MM has to continue to be very smart about these sorts of things. Don Hart ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tips site update! AND a Simple Entry query
Jari, Thanks for keeping up this website and for adding helpful things like the new interviews. I read through most of Tyler Turner's interview (I didn't realize the escape key did that!) and I thought I'd put out a general question about Simple Entry to the list: How many reading this have been converted from *midi* speedy note entry to the new and improved simple note entry by Finale's recent push in that direction? When asked how to work around Simple Entry's current inability to insert notes (into existing measures with music) using the keyboard, here's what Tyler had to say: I actually don't come across situations very often where I need to insert notes. I more often need to insert measures. When I do need to insert notes, I just use the mouse (enlarging the music if necessary). Any time I lose correcting mistakes via insertion is more than made up by the fact that I no longer have to back-up to correct pitch or rhythm mistakes. I make those types of errors much more frequently, and Simple Entry is much better than Speedy for correcting them. Sort of reminds me of Sibelius' Why would you want to do that?! responses to how to questions. And is Simple really faster at editing than Speedy's enter key for pitches, or number keypad for rhythms? Now I can probably be categorized as an old dog shunning new tricks, and I haven't had the time to give the new Simple Note Entry a real chance, but I'm not sure the above quote really convinces me to try. Anybody out there a convert? Don Hart on 2/25/05 11:23 AM, Jari Williamsson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote: The Finale Productivity Tips site got some major additions today. [snip] The URL is: http://www.finaletips.nu/ Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tips site update! AND a Simple Entry query
Don Hart wrote: And is Simple really faster at editing than Speedy's enter key for pitches, or number keypad for rhythms? For MIDI entry it's roughly the same, without MIDI it's absolutely faster. Since you're typically set the rhythms before the pitch in Simple, there's no need for the Enter key in Simple Entry. Anybody out there a convert? I am, but I don't use a MIDI keyboard. BTW, I've modified the introduction text to Tyler's interview a little bit. He doesn't work at MM any more, and I don't think I was clear about that. Tyler has also posted a great text about Simple Entry configuration on the Tips site's forum: http://www.finaletips.nu/forum/ Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
