Re: [Finale] lyrics underline
On Mar 12, 2005, at 8:20 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hmm. My Mac Mail is set to automatically convert HTML messages to plain text when replying. I wonder what it is about AOL messages that prevents that operation from taking place? Testing it now, I see that mine also converts HTML messages to plain text when replying, and it's only AOL that doesn't work. (I never noticed that before because I *always* convert to plain text myself when reading the message, because I hate looking at emails as formatted text.) mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] lyrics underline
d. collins wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] écrit: I turned off the smart word extensions and still cannot use the underscore. NS recommended a work around entering a character such as x.Then I entered two non-breaking spaces and another x, underlined it and removed the two x's and it works great for me. Thanks a million for everyone's help. I sure hope they are able to fix this bug. Well, on my Win2004 Finale, I can do the same thing without the x's. Simply enter hard spaces (ALT 0160) and underline them. What's the point in inserting x's and then removing them? Only for the user, to see where the non-breaking spaces are. If you're worried about not seeing them, you could also enter them as any other character you don't use (%, for instance), and then with Finalescript do a search and replace (adding the underlining at the same time, since the script allows for changes of style). Though the original question was for 2k4, which has finalescript capability, I made it a point of providing a solution that works back as far as 2k, which lacks Finalescript compatability. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] lyrics underline
I have recently purchased a new computer and installed Finale 2004. It will not allow me to type an underline in the lyrics. I do not need to underline a word, I just need to be able to type the underline. Has anyone encountered this problem before? Sandra ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] lyrics underline
Yes, apparently the underscore (along with the space and hyphen) is a reserved character telling Finale to move to the next syllable. You would have to find a similar character, mapped to a different keystroke in the font, to force the underscore to appear by itself. I don't know what font you are using, so I couldn't venture a guess. At the worst, you could change font to one that HAD the character, just for one syllable. Or, if the underscore is by itself on the beat, you could enter an m-dash (on Mac it's opt hyphen, I don't know the alt number on PC) and drag it down manually so that it is in the correct position. If you don't mind me asking, what are you trying to do here? Pardon the possibly insulting question, but if you are trying to create a word extension, Finale has those built-in. If you are trying to put in an elision (two syllables from different words sung on the same note) there is an elision character (like a curved underscore) in a commonly-available font mapped to a diffferent character. I have misplaced my note about it, as it has been a couple of years since I had to do this, but Mark D. Lew here on the list told me about it; perhaps he will chime in. Christopher On Mar 12, 2005, at 10:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have recently purchased a new computer and installed Finale 2004. It will not allow me to type an underline in the lyrics. I do not need to underline a word, I just need to be able to type the underline. Has anyone encountered this problem before? Sandra ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] lyrics underline
In a message dated 3/12/2005 10:34:48 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, apparently the underscore (along with the space and hyphen) is a reserved character telling Finale to move to the next syllable. You would have to find a similar character, mapped to a different keystroke in the font, to force the underscore to appear by itself. I don't know what font you are using, so I couldn't venture a guess. At the worst, you could change font to one that HAD the character, just for one syllable.Or, if the underscore is by itself on the beat, you could enter an m-dash (on Mac it's opt hyphen, I don't know the alt number on PC) and drag it down manually so that it is in the correct position.If you don't mind me asking, what are you trying to do here? Pardon the possibly insulting question, but if you are trying to create a word extension, Finale has those built-in. If you are trying to put in an elision (two syllables from different words sung on the same note) there is an elision character (like a curved underscore) in a commonly-available font mapped to a diffferent character. I have misplaced my note about it, as it has been a couple of years since I had to do this, but Mark D. Lew here on the list told me about it; perhaps he will chime in.Christopher Thank you, Christopher, for your help. I do not feel insulted by your question. I am aware of the word extension and elision. I input music for a church hymnal. Their standard practice is to use an underscore (and move it up) when there are two notes and only one syllable/word in a stanza while the other stanza/stanzas will have two words or syllables on the two notes. I use Ariel font for the lyrics. It is really bad that Finale does nothave this option as it did in all other versions. Sandra ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] lyrics underline
In a message dated 3/12/2005 11:15:50 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christopher Smith écrit:I have misplaced my note about it, as it has been a couple of years since I had to do this, but Mark D. Lew here on the list told me about it; perhaps he will chime in.Capital I in Engraver font.Dennis Thank you so much, Dennis! Sandra ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] lyrics underline
Sandra wrote: I have recently purchased a new computer and installed Finale 2004. It will not allow me to type an underline in the lyrics. I do not need to underline a word, I just need to be able to type the underline. Has anyone encountered this problem before? I haven't, but here's how I'd solve it if I did. I'd type X twice for the syllable, and in between the two X characters, type however many non-breaking spaces you require. Repeat this for each note to which you want to attach an underline. Now, go to the edit lyrics dialog box, and select the syllable, or in the case of a melisma, the first and last syllables, you want to underline by dragging the cursor. When you have selected the text, select the font menu, and under effects, select underline; click OK as needed to return to the score. You can then use type into score to remove the X characters you inserted as placeholders. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] lyrics underline
In a message dated 3/12/2005 10:34:48 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, apparently the underscore (along with the space and hyphen) is a reserved character telling Finale to move to the next syllable. You would have to find a similar character, mapped to a different keystroke in the font, to force the underscore to appear by itself. I don't know what font you are using, so I couldn't venture a guess. At the worst, you could change font to one that HAD the character, just for one syllable. Or, if the underscore is by itself on the beat, you could enter an m-dash (on Mac it's opt hyphen, I don't know the alt number on PC) and drag it down manually so that it is in the correct position. If you don't mind me asking, what are you trying to do here? Pardon the possibly insulting question, but if you are trying to create a word extension, Finale has those built-in. If you are trying to put in an elision (two syllables from different words sung on the same note) there is an elision character (like a curved underscore) in a commonly-available font mapped to a diffferent character. I have misplaced my note about it, as it has been a couple of years since I had to do this, but Mark D. Lew here on the list told me about it; perhaps he will chime in. Christopher Thank you, Christopher, for your help. I do not feel insulted by your question. I am aware of the word extension and elision. I input music for a church hymnal. Their standard practice is to use an underscore (and move it up) when there are two notes and only one syllable/word in a stanza while the other stanza/stanzas will have two words or syllables on the two notes. I use Ariel font for the lyrics. It is really bad that Finale does not have this option as it did in all other versions. Sandra Here's another message from an AOL address that I couldn't reply to in Mail (mac OSX)! I wish they would fix that! I suppose you are using an underscore because an n-dash or an m-dash are too long? I understand in that case. There should be a way to have a non-breaking hyphen that IS the same character. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] lyrics underline
On Mar 12, 2005, at 8:33 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Yes, apparently the underscore (along with the space and hyphen) is a reserved character telling Finale to move to the next syllable. If so, this must be something new. There's never been any problem with the underscore character up through Fin 2k2. Perhaps it has to do with the new smart word extensions? Has anyone confirmed whether it's a problem with the actual character, or just the keystroke in type-in-score mode? Or, if the underscore is by itself on the beat, you could enter an m-dash (on Mac it's opt hyphen, I don't know the alt number on PC) and drag it down manually so that it is in the correct position. Opt-hyphen is an en-dash. Em-dash is shift-opt-hyphen. -- On Mar 12, 2005, at 9:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I input music for a church hymnal. Their standard practice is to use an underscore (and move it up) when there are two notes and only one syllable/word in a stanza while the other stanza/stanzas will have two words or syllables on the two notes. I use Ariel font for the lyrics. It is really bad that Finale does not have this option as it did in all other versions. It sounds to me like an unadjusted em-dash is exactly what you want, and the dragged underscore was a kludge to achieve the same effect. If the 2k4 update of Finale really has reserved the underscore character so that it's no longer available for lyrics, I agree that that's really bad. I rarely need the underscore, but I really hate that the hyphen character is reserved. It's a real pain in French, where you sometimes need a hyphen within a syllable. All characters should be available for lyrics. It's idiotic that some of them will be reserved to serve a command function. If they're going to interpret data as code they should at least have escape characters available. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] lyrics underline
And if you do want to use the underscore instead of the capital I in Engraver, just turn off Smart Word Extensions in Finale 2004. It's at Options - Document Options - Lyrics - Word Extensions (button at the bottom of the Lyrics box) - Use Smart Word Extensions. Best regards, Michael Good Recordare LLC www.recordare.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] lyrics underline
On Mar 12, 2005, at 1:57 PM, d. collins wrote: Mark D Lew écrit: If so, this must be something new. There's never been any problem with the underscore character up through Fin 2k2. Perhaps it has to do with the new smart word extensions? Has anyone confirmed whether it's a problem with the actual character, or just the keystroke in type-in-score mode? I just opened I file in 2004 which I recall had underscores in the lyrics, and there are no problems. I can also type them directly into the score in 2004, so I can't really understand what the problem is. Are we all speaking of ALT 95? Dennis In FinMac2005 I can't type shift hyphen (which is underscore on the Mac keyboard.) It doesn't appear, and the cursor shifts to the next note. What is alt 95, in Mac-speak? Type one in your reply, and I can copy it and find out. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] lyrics underline
In a message dated 3/12/2005 1:46:47 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: According to Michael's message, you have to turn off the smart word extensions to use the underscore.Dennis I turned off the smart word extensions and still cannot use theunderscore.NS recommended a work around entering a character such as "x".Then I entered two non-breaking spaces and another "x", underlined it and removed the two x's andit works great for me. Thanks a million for everyone's help. I sure hope they are able to fix this "bug". Sandra ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] lyrics underline
On Mar 12, 2005, at 1:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a million for everyone's help. I sure hope they are able to fix this bug. Given that others on Fin Mac 2k4 aren't having the same problem, I'd guess it isn't really a bug. We just need to figure out what is different about your setup that makes yours behave differently. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] lyrics underline
On Mar 12, 2005, at 10:03 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Here's another message from an AOL address that I couldn't reply to in Mail (mac OSX)! I wish they would fix that! Cmd-[ will change the message to non-HTML, and then reply should work. That's what I do. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
