Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Load slot 1 with player one -- then hold shift and load player 2 into same slot. Jerry On 19-Mar-05, at 11:13 PM, John Bell wrote: On 15 Mar 2005, at 14:23, Gerald Berg wrote: John You're in the game now -- the hunt begins in earnest. At this point you have your strings on channels 33-36 Midi channels 1-16 are set for playback in slot 1 (Midi set-up pop down menu) -- channels 17-32 slot 2 etc. -- you can load two players to 1 slot (by holding down shift in midi set-up) -- 2 players = 16 'instances' -- for the second instance however you must MANUALLY change the midi channels in the 2nd player from 1-8 to 9-16. IOW instances 1/2 - channel 1-16 instance 3/4 - 17-32 inst. 4/5 - 33-48 inst. 6/7 - 49-64 Thanks Jerry But I'm afraid I don't follow you. I've now got GPO working fine (FinMac 2005b) and it sounds great. But I can't see how I can load more than 32 patches -- 8 each in Players 1,2,3 4. Holding down shift in midi set-up, err, do you mean while selecting the midi channel? I can't find how this works. I still can't see how I can load more than one instrument into one slot. Sorry to be so dim, I'm clearly misunderstanding you. Unless you're in Windows and there is a platform difference here. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
On 15 Mar 2005, at 14:23, Gerald Berg wrote: John You're in the game now -- the hunt begins in earnest. At this point you have your strings on channels 33-36 Midi channels 1-16 are set for playback in slot 1 (Midi set-up pop down menu) -- channels 17-32 slot 2 etc. -- you can load two players to 1 slot (by holding down shift in midi set-up) -- 2 players = 16 'instances' -- for the second instance however you must MANUALLY change the midi channels in the 2nd player from 1-8 to 9-16. IOW instances 1/2 - channel 1-16 instance 3/4 - 17-32 inst. 4/5 - 33-48 inst. 6/7 - 49-64 Thanks Jerry But I'm afraid I don't follow you. I've now got GPO working fine (FinMac 2005b) and it sounds great. But I can't see how I can load more than 32 patches -- 8 each in Players 1,2,3 4. Holding down shift in midi set-up, err, do you mean while selecting the midi channel? I can't find how this works. I still can't see how I can load more than one instrument into one slot. Sorry to be so dim, I'm clearly misunderstanding you. Unless you're in Windows and there is a platform difference here. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Moving ain't as bad as all that -- it has auto search and remember -- no big deal. What the heck is EWQLSO? Jerry On 16-Mar-05, at 2:21 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Johannes Gebauer / 05.3.14 / 05:15 PM wrote: Not that I know anyhting about GPO, but perhaps you are on an earlier System version (that is, Mac OS X version, not GPO version) than GPO supports? VST directory was present even with Preview-3, which was two versions before OSX Public Preview. Darcy James Argue / 05.3.14 / 04:48 PM wrote: Once you've installed any GPO components, DO NOT MOVE THEM from their default locations. Woa! Sounds like Windows! Sorry, I couldn't help it. You must think I have an agenda to bash GPO, but I am merely concerned by reading reports on this list and debating what to do when Jazz Set comes out, which I have been looking for. So, what happens if you _need to_ move components after initial install? Can you hack into plist like you do in Win Registry? I want to ask this again. Is there anyone using EWQLSO with Finale? No? Kinda weird... -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Gerald Berg ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Gerald Berg / 05.3.16 / 08:24 AM wrote: What the heck is EWQLSO? It is _the_ direct competitor of GPO, and user claims NI Kontakt player works better with it than GPO: http://www.soundsonline.com/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=EW-155 -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
I wrote: It is _the_ direct competitor of GPO, and user claims NI Kontakt player works better with it than GPO: http://www.soundsonline.com/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=EW-155 Sorry. The direct competition price wise is this version: http://www.soundsonline.com/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=EW-161 :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Gary Garritan and Tom Hopkins (the person who does the editing and preparation of the samples) were here yesterday recording string bass sounds for the GPO jazz library. They are working on a delivery date for sometime this spring, but it seems to me that summer might be more realistic. I did get the sense that MM is also working on tighter integration w/Kontact and GPO. I have no official inside dope, but this seems to be the way things are going, and I thought it might be useful for people to know. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] GPO Studio
Chuck, How nice to know that you will be my bassist when I go out and do a clinic!! Once the GPJO package comes out I will be switching to it from my mix of eMu and Edirol stuff... Your presence will be intimidating but stimulating! ;-) Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chuck Israels Sent: Wed 16-Mar-05 10:28 To: finale@SHSU.EDU Cc: Subject: Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Gary Garritan and Tom Hopkins (the person who does the editing and preparation of the samples) were here yesterday recording string bass sounds for the GPO jazz library. They are working on a delivery date for sometime this spring, but it seems to me that summer might be more realistic. I did get the sense that MM is also working on tighter integration w/Kontact and GPO. I have no official inside dope, but this seems to be the way things are going, and I thought it might be useful for people to know. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com winmail.dat___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Thanks Jim, It was interesting to learn how the GPO people view the sampling parameters - what they seem to be including, and what elements are excluded in favor of simplicity and practical use. How much will be left of the expressive elements remains to be seen (heard). My sense is that while Tom Hopkins will exert considerable effort to make the bass sound realistic in terms of the natural noises and nuances, and things like the way the ear would experience the decay of a percussive sound, there are many things that will be intentionally and necessarily left out. It is not their intention to create software that attempts to replace human performance - just to make it practical to hear an informative approximation of a score. The arco samples were done unnaturally without vibrato - very strange to play that way. Then Tom had me play a set with vibrato, which he will then analyze and reproduce digitally, introducing it back into the sound samples. I'm sure some things will represent improvements - consistency of intonation and attack - things like that, but other nice human things will necessarily be missing. I'll be curious to hear how much it will sound like my playing, and it will surely be fun to play my own Finale bass parts. And if one might be intimidated by my playing, then it's lucky they couldn't get Ray Brown or Mingus! :) Chuck On Mar 16, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Williams, Jim wrote: Chuck, How nice to know that you will be my bassist when I go out and do a clinic!! Once the GPJO package comes out I will be switching to it from my mix of eMu and Edirol stuff... Your presence will be intimidating but stimulating! ;-) Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chuck Israels Sent: Wed 16-Mar-05 10:28 To: finale@SHSU.EDU Cc: Subject: Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Gary Garritan and Tom Hopkins (the person who does the editing and preparation of the samples) were here yesterday recording string bass sounds for the GPO jazz library. They are working on a delivery date for sometime this spring, but it seems to me that summer might be more realistic. I did get the sense that MM is also working on tighter integration w/Kontact and GPO. I have no official inside dope, but this seems to be the way things are going, and I thought it might be useful for people to know. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com winmail.dat>___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Chuck Israels / 05.3.16 / 02:26 PM wrote: And if one might be intimidated by my playing, then it's lucky they couldn't get Ray Brown or Mingus! :) If you are playing for GPO, I will be buying it! P.S. My boss, George Russell said hi :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Hiro, Nice votes of confidence coming here - thanks. I hope George continues to have energy and enthusiasm for his work as we both mellow a little. Please give him my fond regards. Chuck On Mar 16, 2005, at 11:38 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Chuck Israels / 05.3.16 / 02:26 PM wrote: And if one might be intimidated by my playing, then it's lucky they couldn't get Ray Brown or Mingus! :) If you are playing for GPO, I will be buying it! P.S. My boss, George Russell said hi :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com> http://anonemusic.com> ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Hi Chuck, Actually, you will find, when you get up and running with GPO, that there is an option to vary the intonation and attack from note to note (if desired). While Garritan recommends using these only on situations like double- or triple-tongued brass notes (to avoid that fake machine-gun synth sound), I actually find it helps tremendously to leave a certain amount of variation on all the time -- up to 5% pitch variation and 15% attack variation. Thanks for posting about your experience recording the samples! - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Mar 2005, at 2:26 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Thanks Jim, It was interesting to learn how the GPO people view the sampling parameters - what they seem to be including, and what elements are excluded in favor of simplicity and practical use. How much will be left of the expressive elements remains to be seen (heard). My sense is that while Tom Hopkins will exert considerable effort to make the bass sound realistic in terms of the natural noises and nuances, and things like the way the ear would experience the decay of a percussive sound, there are many things that will be intentionally and necessarily left out. It is not their intention to create software that attempts to replace human performance - just to make it practical to hear an informative approximation of a score. The arco samples were done unnaturally without vibrato - very strange to play that way. Then Tom had me play a set with vibrato, which he will then analyze and reproduce digitally, introducing it back into the sound samples. I'm sure some things will represent improvements - consistency of intonation and attack - things like that, but other nice human things will necessarily be missing. I'll be curious to hear how much it will sound like my playing, and it will surely be fun to play my own Finale bass parts. And if one might be intimidated by my playing, then it's lucky they couldn't get Ray Brown or Mingus! :) Chuck On Mar 16, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Williams, Jim wrote: Chuck, How nice to know that you will be my bassist when I go out and do a clinic!! Once the GPJO package comes out I will be switching to it from my mix of eMu and Edirol stuff... Your presence will be intimidating but stimulating! ;-) Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chuck Israels Sent: Wed 16-Mar-05 10:28 To: finale@SHSU.EDU Cc: Subject: Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Gary Garritan and Tom Hopkins (the person who does the editing and preparation of the samples) were here yesterday recording string bass sounds for the GPO jazz library. They are working on a delivery date for sometime this spring, but it seems to me that summer might be more realistic. I did get the sense that MM is also working on tighter integration w/Kontact and GPO. I have no official inside dope, but this seems to be the way things are going, and I thought it might be useful for people to know. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com winmail.dat___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Hi Darcy, Well, I have GPO loaded - and the GPO Studio is running (opened before opening Finale), so here's the question: what do you think I should use until the jazz sounds arrive? It is my impression that you cannot mix these sounds and GM sounds. Is that correct? Any help you can offer in this regard would be appreciated. I did read in the GPO manual about the random variability options. It's good to know what you think about how much of that to use. Thanks, Chuck On Mar 16, 2005, at 3:22 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, Actually, you will find, when you get up and running with GPO, that there is an option to vary the intonation and attack from note to note (if desired). While Garritan recommends using these only on situations like double- or triple-tongued brass notes (to avoid that fake machine-gun synth sound), I actually find it helps tremendously to leave a certain amount of variation on all the time -- up to 5% pitch variation and 15% attack variation. Thanks for posting about your experience recording the samples! - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Mar 2005, at 2:26 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Thanks Jim, It was interesting to learn how the GPO people view the sampling parameters - what they seem to be including, and what elements are excluded in favor of simplicity and practical use. How much will be left of the expressive elements remains to be seen (heard). My sense is that while Tom Hopkins will exert considerable effort to make the bass sound realistic in terms of the natural noises and nuances, and things like the way the ear would experience the decay of a percussive sound, there are many things that will be intentionally and necessarily left out. It is not their intention to create software that attempts to replace human performance - just to make it practical to hear an informative approximation of a score. The arco samples were done unnaturally without vibrato - very strange to play that way. Then Tom had me play a set with vibrato, which he will then analyze and reproduce digitally, introducing it back into the sound samples. I'm sure some things will represent improvements - consistency of intonation and attack - things like that, but other nice human things will necessarily be missing. I'll be curious to hear how much it will sound like my playing, and it will surely be fun to play my own Finale bass parts. And if one might be intimidated by my playing, then it's lucky they couldn't get Ray Brown or Mingus! :) Chuck On Mar 16, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Williams, Jim wrote: Chuck, How nice to know that you will be my bassist when I go out and do a clinic!! Once the GPJO package comes out I will be switching to it from my mix of eMu and Edirol stuff... Your presence will be intimidating but stimulating! ;-) Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chuck Israels Sent: Wed 16-Mar-05 10:28 To: finale@SHSU.EDU Cc: Subject: Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Gary Garritan and Tom Hopkins (the person who does the editing and preparation of the samples) were here yesterday recording string bass sounds for the GPO jazz library. They are working on a delivery date for sometime this spring, but it seems to me that summer might be more realistic. I did get the sense that MM is also working on tighter integration w/Kontact and GPO. I have no official inside dope, but this seems to be the way things are going, and I thought it might be useful for people to know. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com winmail.dat>___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
John You're in the game now -- the hunt begins in earnest. At this point you have your strings on channels 33-36 Midi channels 1-16 are set for playback in slot 1 (Midi set-up pop down menu) -- channels 17-32 slot 2 etc. -- you can load two players to 1 slot (by holding down shift in midi set-up) -- 2 players = 16 'instances' -- for the second instance however you must MANUALLY change the midi channels in the 2nd player from 1-8 to 9-16. IOW instances 1/2 - channel 1-16 instance 3/4 - 17-32 inst. 4/5 - 33-48 inst. 6/7 - 49-64 Jerry On 15-Mar-05, at 1:19 AM, Harold Owen wrote: John, You should set up all 8 instruments in Player 1. MIDI playback should be set to GPO Studio: 1. Hal On 15 Mar 2005, at 00:56, Darcy James Argue wrote: No that's not it, I'm on Mac OS 10.3.8. Anyway I put the VST plugins in the folder with GPO, which now no longer complains that it can't find it. I don't know if that was such a good idea. You shouldn't have to move folders anywhere, and moving folders is generally very bad for GPO. I would definitely ask about this on the Northern Sounds forum. Well it may not have been such a good idea but it *did* get GPO Studio to behave as it should -- I now get the players appearing when I click on Player 1 etc and I can load up sounds in their slots. Do I need somehow to turn off SoftSynth, because that's where my sounds are coming from? Yes. As I told the last time you asked this question, you need to turn Internal Speaker Playback in Finale OFF. Sorry, I obviously wasn't paying attention properly. I've now turned it off. I now get no sound from strings but, oddly, the cor anglias and piano play. Whether or not these sounds are coming from Garritan I can't tell. In Speedy, I hear the cor anglais and piano as I enter notes, but no other instruments. In GPO Studio I have loaded: Player 1: Slot 1:cor anglais Slot 2: clarinet Slot 3: piano Player 2: Slots 1-5: Vln I, II, Vla, Vc, Cb These instruments are set to channels 1 - 8, and in Finale, in the Instrument list I have assigned the channels accordingly. Thanks, Darcy, I do appreciate you patience in replying to me. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Harold Owen 2830 Emerald St., Eugene, OR 97403 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit my web site at: http://uoregon.edu/~hjowen FAX: (509) 461-3608 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Gerald Berg ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac)
I didn't realize it was a bug! Just more Kontakt malingering. But here is my confirmation of the phenom. Jerry On 13-Mar-05, at 9:40 PM, Harold Owen wrote: Dear Darcy, Yes, I get it, and I agree it's annoying, but I've found that I can save time and energy by bringing up the file in Finale first, then opening GPO Studio, then changing the MIDI Setup. Although the directions for GPO Studio say it should be opened before Finale, it's not necessary as long as you know you will have to reset the MIDI Setup after loading in your GPO instruments. This is especially true when using more than four or five instruments because everything is so much slowed down after opening GPO Studio. I'm on iMac G4 with 1 GB RAM. The bug should be fixed, although I'm not sure it's the fault of Finale. What I'd really like is for Finale to give us a really comprehensive set-up for use with GPO that would read slurs and enter CC-64 information, make sure CC-1 sets all instruments above zero, and links the playback record button to the record playback in GPS Studio. BTW, I have a copy of Sibelius 3.1, and it provides a special version of the Kontakt Player that seems to offer more control of the GPO Studio from within Sibelius. Playback is automatically set up properly. However, the problem of clicks and slowing down of cpu functions is about the same as it is with Finale. Of course, things will not improve much on the Mac side with GPO until Native Instruments decides to optimize their code for Mac System X. Hal Hello, listers, Here is a message I sent to Macsupport, but I'd be ever so grateful if everyone with MacFin and GPO would take a moment to try the steps I outline below on their system. If you can reproduce this bug, please take a moment to send an email to Macsupport letting them know, and requesting that the problem be fixed. If you *can't* reproduce this bug, please let *me* know -- and please include your system info and your model of MIDI interface. --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GPO Studio not found Date: 12 March 2005 11:33:56 PM EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ryan, It doesn't matter how much time I give GPO to initialize and load my preset ensemble -- I always get the same error message. I know for a fact that several other GPO Mac Finale users (Gerald Berg, for instance) have the same problem. In fact, I have not yet heard from anyone on either the FInale list or on the Northern Sounds GPO Forum who does *not* have this problem, so if you can't reproduce it I'm really curious how you're getting it to work -- unless you never quit GPO studio? Try this: 1) Make sure Finale is not running, then temporarily remove or disable your Finale 2005 preferences. 2) Launch GPO Studio. (If GPO Studio is running, quit, then launch it again.) 3) Open Finale 2005 and launch the Maestro Default File. 4) In Finale's MIDI Setup, for output device, choose GPO Studio: 1. 5) Save preferences. 6) Quit Finale (and save the document as GPO Test.mus or whatever). 7) Quit GPO Studio. 8) Re-launch GPO Studio. 9) Double click GPO Test.mus. Are you telling me when you do this you *don't* get the error message (Finale is expecting the following devices, but they are not found inyour current Audio MIDI Setup configuration etc)? If you don't get the error message, then I'm stumped. I can reproduce this bug 100% of the time on my system (1.42 GHz Mac mini, FireWire Audiophile MIDI interface), and so can Gerald on his. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 10 Mar 2005, at 12:46 PM, MacSupport wrote: Darcy, The only reason that I can think of as to why this would happen is if you just are not giving GPO enough time to initialize before launching Finale. Other than that, I have not heard of this problem from any other GPO/Finale users. You may wish to check on the GPO forum and see if anyone else has experienced this problem. Sincerely, Ryan Customer Support Representative MakeMusic!, Inc. Please include all previous correspondence relating to this issue in your reply. Did we answer your question? Click here to comment on the quality of our Technical Support: http://www.finalemusic.com/support/comments.asp?tech=ryan> Introducing Finale 2005! Check it out at http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/new/> -Original Message- From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:30 AM To: MacSupport Subject: GPO Studio not found Hello, When using GPO, I can't figure out how to get Finale to remember the choices I made in Finale's MIDI Setup. Even after setting up everything and saving preferences and making sure to launch GPO Studio before launching Finale, every time I launch Finale I get the same error message: Finale is expecting the following devices, but they are not found in your current Audio MIDI Setup configuration. Check your configuration in Finale MIDI Setup and in Audio MIDI Setup.
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac)
Thanks, Jerry. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Mar 2005, at 9:10 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: I didn't realize it was a bug! Just more Kontakt malingering. But here is my confirmation of the phenom. Jerry On 13-Mar-05, at 9:40 PM, Harold Owen wrote: Dear Darcy, Yes, I get it, and I agree it's annoying, but I've found that I can save time and energy by bringing up the file in Finale first, then opening GPO Studio, then changing the MIDI Setup. Although the directions for GPO Studio say it should be opened before Finale, it's not necessary as long as you know you will have to reset the MIDI Setup after loading in your GPO instruments. This is especially true when using more than four or five instruments because everything is so much slowed down after opening GPO Studio. I'm on iMac G4 with 1 GB RAM. The bug should be fixed, although I'm not sure it's the fault of Finale. What I'd really like is for Finale to give us a really comprehensive set-up for use with GPO that would read slurs and enter CC-64 information, make sure CC-1 sets all instruments above zero, and links the playback record button to the record playback in GPS Studio. BTW, I have a copy of Sibelius 3.1, and it provides a special version of the Kontakt Player that seems to offer more control of the GPO Studio from within Sibelius. Playback is automatically set up properly. However, the problem of clicks and slowing down of cpu functions is about the same as it is with Finale. Of course, things will not improve much on the Mac side with GPO until Native Instruments decides to optimize their code for Mac System X. Hal Hello, listers, Here is a message I sent to Macsupport, but I'd be ever so grateful if everyone with MacFin and GPO would take a moment to try the steps I outline below on their system. If you can reproduce this bug, please take a moment to send an email to Macsupport letting them know, and requesting that the problem be fixed. If you *can't* reproduce this bug, please let *me* know -- and please include your system info and your model of MIDI interface. --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GPO Studio not found Date: 12 March 2005 11:33:56 PM EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ryan, It doesn't matter how much time I give GPO to initialize and load my preset ensemble -- I always get the same error message. I know for a fact that several other GPO Mac Finale users (Gerald Berg, for instance) have the same problem. In fact, I have not yet heard from anyone on either the FInale list or on the Northern Sounds GPO Forum who does *not* have this problem, so if you can't reproduce it I'm really curious how you're getting it to work -- unless you never quit GPO studio? Try this: 1) Make sure Finale is not running, then temporarily remove or disable your Finale 2005 preferences. 2) Launch GPO Studio. (If GPO Studio is running, quit, then launch it again.) 3) Open Finale 2005 and launch the Maestro Default File. 4) In Finale's MIDI Setup, for output device, choose GPO Studio: 1. 5) Save preferences. 6) Quit Finale (and save the document as GPO Test.mus or whatever). 7) Quit GPO Studio. 8) Re-launch GPO Studio. 9) Double click GPO Test.mus. Are you telling me when you do this you *don't* get the error message (Finale is expecting the following devices, but they are not found inyour current Audio MIDI Setup configuration etc)? If you don't get the error message, then I'm stumped. I can reproduce this bug 100% of the time on my system (1.42 GHz Mac mini, FireWire Audiophile MIDI interface), and so can Gerald on his. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 10 Mar 2005, at 12:46 PM, MacSupport wrote: Darcy, The only reason that I can think of as to why this would happen is if you just are not giving GPO enough time to initialize before launching Finale. Other than that, I have not heard of this problem from any other GPO/Finale users. You may wish to check on the GPO forum and see if anyone else has experienced this problem. Sincerely, Ryan Customer Support Representative MakeMusic!, Inc. Please include all previous correspondence relating to this issue in your reply. Did we answer your question? Click here to comment on the quality of our Technical Support: http://www.finalemusic.com/support/comments.asp?tech=ryan Introducing Finale 2005! Check it out at http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/new/ -Original Message- From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:30 AM To: MacSupport Subject: GPO Studio not found Hello, When using GPO, I can't figure out how to get Finale to remember the choices I made in Finale's MIDI Setup. Even after setting up everything and saving preferences and making sure to launch GPO Studio before launching Finale, every time I launch Finale I get the same error message: Finale is expecting
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac)
Title: Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac) Dear Darcy, The error message did not come up when I use FinMac 2k4c with GPO. I believe that the MIDI setup is independent of file settings. When I open GPO Studio then open Finale 2k4, whatever was my last MIDI Setup is there for any new or old files I load. GPO Studio: 1 shows as the output device, and it is not in italics (meaning Finale has found it). When I open GPO Studio then open Finale 2k5, GPO Studio: 1 shows in italics as the output device (meaning Finale has not found it), and I get the error message. For the time being, when I am using Finale 2k5 I reset MIDI Setup with none or Senthesizer for the output before closing. The next time I open a Finale file, it will load, and I can set up GPO. That's easier than dealing with the error bug. I did send a message to Mac Support about the bug. Hal -- Harold Owen 2830 Emerald St., Eugene, OR 97403 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit my web site at: http://uoregon.edu/~hjowen FAX: (509) 461-3608 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac)
On 14 Mar 2005, at 12:41 PM, Harold Owen wrote: The error message did not come up when I use FinMac 2k4c with GPO. Hmm. Interesting -- apparently it used to work, and now it's broken. I believe that the MIDI setup is independent of file settings. Right -- it's saved in Program Options, not Document Options. For the time being, when I am using Finale 2k5 I reset MIDI Setup with none or Senthesizer for the output before closing. The next time I open a Finale file, it will load, and I can set up GPO. That's easier than dealing with the error bug. An easier way would be to disable Save Preferences on Quit. Then set the output device to None and manually save prefs. Then you will never see the error message, no matter what the MIDI settings were when you quit. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
On 14 Mar 2005, at 2:26 PM, John Bell wrote: FinMac 2005b I'm trying to get GPO to work at all with Finale. I've read Adam Burford's tutorial, which says Youll see 8 Players: Player 1, Player 2, ... Player 8. Click on one of the Player buttons and up pops an instance of the Kontakt Player. This is my first problem. Clicking on the player buttons does nothing. I can open Kontakt player and load up to 8 instruments, no more, but don't know how to access them in Finale. In Finale's Instrument List window GPO Studio shows up, but opposite that is a list of 128 numbered patches. Selecting one of these does not produce any of the sounds I have loaded into GPO. No reply so far to my email to GPO Support. Hi John, First off, it sounds like you are maybe using the wrong application. You need to launch the application called Personal Orchestra Studio, otherwise known as GPO Studio -- NOT Personal Orchestra, AKA the GPO Kontakt Player. The GPO Kontakt Player does not talk to Finale -- only GPO Studio does that. GPO Studio is not installed by default, you have to install it separately. So, Step 1 -- make sure GPO Studio is installed. Step 2 -- Launch GPO Studio. (Do NOT launch Personal Orchestra. Do NOT launch Finale yet.) The GPO Studio interface window says Garritan Personal Orchestra Studio in the title bar, and has eight little keyboards labeled Player 1, Player 2, etc. When you click on Player 1 it should spawn a new window, with Garritan Personal Orchestra 1 in the title bar. If this doesn't happen for some reason, there is a serious problem with your installation of GPO and you should delete everything (including preferences) and reinstall. As I have said a couple of times before, the General MIDI instrument names you see in Finale's instrument list have NOTHING TO DO with the instruments you load in GPO Studio. The ONLY thing that influences what sound you hear in Finale is the staff's CHANNEL NUMBER. So, if for example, the top staff in your Finale score is set to Channel 1 in the instrument list, then it will play whatever instrument you have loaded into the first slot of Player 1 in GPO Studio -- that is, provided Finale's MIDI Setup options are set correctly. And, as we have been talking about in this thread, you have to re-do your MIDI Setup options in Finale every time you launch Finale. In addition to re-reading Adam Burford's tutorial, you may want to check out the GPO forum at Northern Sounds: http://northernsounds.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=39 This forum is monitored by Gary Garritan himself, as well as lots of GPO power users, so if you find you still can't figure things out, you might want to ask your tech support questions there. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Hi Darcy Thanks for trying to help. The GPO Studio interface window says Garritan Personal Orchestra Studio in the title bar, and has eight little keyboards labeled Player 1, Player 2, etc. When you click on Player 1 it should spawn a new window, with Garritan Personal Orchestra 1 in the title bar. No, nothing happens. If this doesn't happen for some reason, there is a serious problem with your installation of GPO and you should delete everything (including preferences) and reinstall. So I deleted every mention of GPO from the computer and reinstalled. However I now have no GPO Studio at all, working or otherwise. So maybe my installation disks at at fault. I'll try the GPO forum as you suggest. Thanks again for your advice, John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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John, Like I said in my last post, GPO Studio is a separate installation. It is not installed automatically. Put GPO Disc 4 in your computer and install GPO Studio from there. Or, better, download the most recent version from Garritan's web site. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Mar 2005, at 4:39 PM, John Bell wrote: Hi Darcy Thanks for trying to help. The GPO Studio interface window says Garritan Personal Orchestra Studio in the title bar, and has eight little keyboards labeled Player 1, Player 2, etc. When you click on Player 1 it should spawn a new window, with Garritan Personal Orchestra 1 in the title bar. No, nothing happens. If this doesn't happen for some reason, there is a serious problem with your installation of GPO and you should delete everything (including preferences) and reinstall. So I deleted every mention of GPO from the computer and reinstalled. However I now have no GPO Studio at all, working or otherwise. So maybe my installation disks at at fault. I'll try the GPO forum as you suggest. Thanks again for your advice, John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Also -- I forgot to mention, but this is very important: Once you've installed any GPO components, DO NOT MOVE THEM from their default locations. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Mar 2005, at 4:39 PM, John Bell wrote: Hi Darcy Thanks for trying to help. The GPO Studio interface window says Garritan Personal Orchestra Studio in the title bar, and has eight little keyboards labeled Player 1, Player 2, etc. When you click on Player 1 it should spawn a new window, with Garritan Personal Orchestra 1 in the title bar. No, nothing happens. If this doesn't happen for some reason, there is a serious problem with your installation of GPO and you should delete everything (including preferences) and reinstall. So I deleted every mention of GPO from the computer and reinstalled. However I now have no GPO Studio at all, working or otherwise. So maybe my installation disks at at fault. I'll try the GPO forum as you suggest. Thanks again for your advice, John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Yes Darcy, I installed GPO studio from disk 4 but when I open it I get error: VST Directory does not exist!! then error: Can't find template:/Applications/templates/empty.gpo Then I get the 8 little keyboards but clicking on them does absolutely nothing. On disk 4 there is a folder called VST Plugins. Should I copy that somewhere? John On 14 Mar 2005, at 21:45, Darcy James Argue wrote: John, Like I said in my last post, GPO Studio is a separate installation. It is not installed automatically. Put GPO Disc 4 in your computer and install GPO Studio from there. Or, better, download the most recent version from Garritan's web site. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Mar 2005, at 4:39 PM, John Bell wrote: Hi Darcy Thanks for trying to help. The GPO Studio interface window says Garritan Personal Orchestra Studio in the title bar, and has eight little keyboards labeled Player 1, Player 2, etc. When you click on Player 1 it should spawn a new window, with Garritan Personal Orchestra 1 in the title bar. No, nothing happens. If this doesn't happen for some reason, there is a serious problem with your installation of GPO and you should delete everything (including preferences) and reinstall. So I deleted every mention of GPO from the computer and reinstalled. However I now have no GPO Studio at all, working or otherwise. So maybe my installation disks at at fault. I'll try the GPO forum as you suggest. Thanks again for your advice, John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
Not that I know anyhting about GPO, but perhaps you are on an earlier System version (that is, Mac OS X version, not GPO version) than GPO supports? VST plugins have standard folders in the library folders of the system. If they don't exist this seems to indicate that you are using a System version which didn't have these standard folders. Just a thought... Johannes John Bell schrieb: Yes Darcy, I installed GPO studio from disk 4 but when I open it I get error: VST Directory does not exist!! then error: Can't find template:/Applications/templates/empty.gpo Then I get the 8 little keyboards but clicking on them does absolutely nothing. On disk 4 there is a folder called VST Plugins. Should I copy that somewhere? John On 14 Mar 2005, at 21:45, Darcy James Argue wrote: John, Like I said in my last post, GPO Studio is a separate installation. It is not installed automatically. Put GPO Disc 4 in your computer and install GPO Studio from there. Or, better, download the most recent version from Garritan's web site. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Mar 2005, at 4:39 PM, John Bell wrote: Hi Darcy Thanks for trying to help. The GPO Studio interface window says Garritan Personal Orchestra Studio in the title bar, and has eight little keyboards labeled Player 1, Player 2, etc. When you click on Player 1 it should spawn a new window, with Garritan Personal Orchestra 1 in the title bar. No, nothing happens. If this doesn't happen for some reason, there is a serious problem with your installation of GPO and you should delete everything (including preferences) and reinstall. So I deleted every mention of GPO from the computer and reinstalled. However I now have no GPO Studio at all, working or otherwise. So maybe my installation disks at at fault. I'll try the GPO forum as you suggest. Thanks again for your advice, John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 14 Mar 2005, at 22:15, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Not that I know anyhting about GPO, but perhaps you are on an earlier System version (that is, Mac OS X version, not GPO version) than GPO supports? VST plugins have standard folders in the library folders of the system. If they don't exist this seems to indicate that you are using a System version which didn't have these standard folders. No that's not it, I'm on Mac OS 10.3.8. Anyway I put the VST plugins in the folder with GPO, which now no longer complains that it can't find it. However I can't persuade Finale to use the Garritan sounds. I set flute 1 to channel 1, 2 to 2 etc and loaded flutes into those channels in GPO, but I don't get playback from GPO. Do I need somehow to turn off SoftSynth, because that's where my sounds are coming from? John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
On 14 Mar 2005, at 4:58 PM, John Bell wrote: Yes Darcy, I installed GPO studio from disk 4 but when I open it I get error: VST Directory does not exist!! then error: Can't find template:/Applications/templates/empty.gpo Then I get the 8 little keyboards but clicking on them does absolutely nothing. Okay, this is weird. You should ask about that on the Northern Sounds forums, because I don't know what's causing that problem. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
On 14 Mar 2005, at 6:46 PM, John Bell wrote: No that's not it, I'm on Mac OS 10.3.8. Anyway I put the VST plugins in the folder with GPO, which now no longer complains that it can't find it. I don't know if that was such a good idea. You shouldn't have to move folders anywhere, and moving folders is generally very bad for GPO. I would definitely ask about this on the Northern Sounds forum. However I can't persuade Finale to use the Garritan sounds. I set flute 1 to channel 1, 2 to 2 etc and loaded flutes into those channels in GPO, but I don't get playback from GPO. If GPO Studio isn't working correctly -- i.e., if you still have the problem where nothing happens when you click on GPO Player 1 -- then you will never get playback from GPO. Do I need somehow to turn off SoftSynth, because that's where my sounds are coming from? Yes. As I told the last time you asked this question, you need to turn Internal Speaker Playback in Finale OFF. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 15 Mar 2005, at 00:56, Darcy James Argue wrote: No that's not it, I'm on Mac OS 10.3.8. Anyway I put the VST plugins in the folder with GPO, which now no longer complains that it can't find it. I don't know if that was such a good idea. You shouldn't have to move folders anywhere, and moving folders is generally very bad for GPO. I would definitely ask about this on the Northern Sounds forum. Well it may not have been such a good idea but it *did* get GPO Studio to behave as it should -- I now get the players appearing when I click on Player 1 etc and I can load up sounds in their slots. Do I need somehow to turn off SoftSynth, because that's where my sounds are coming from? Yes. As I told the last time you asked this question, you need to turn Internal Speaker Playback in Finale OFF. Sorry, I obviously wasn't paying attention properly. I've now turned it off. I now get no sound from strings but, oddly, the cor anglias and piano play. Whether or not these sounds are coming from Garritan I can't tell. In Speedy, I hear the cor anglais and piano as I enter notes, but no other instruments. In GPO Studio I have loaded: Player 1: Slot 1:cor anglais Slot 2: clarinet Slot 3: piano Player 2: Slots 1-5: Vln I, II, Vla, Vc, Cb These instruments are set to channels 1 - 8, and in Finale, in the Instrument list I have assigned the channels accordingly. Thanks, Darcy, I do appreciate you patience in replying to me. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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John, set Internal Speaker Playback to OFF. Hal On 14 Mar 2005, at 22:15, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Not that I know anyhting about GPO, but perhaps you are on an earlier System version (that is, Mac OS X version, not GPO version) than GPO supports? VST plugins have standard folders in the library folders of the system. If they don't exist this seems to indicate that you are using a System version which didn't have these standard folders. No that's not it, I'm on Mac OS 10.3.8. Anyway I put the VST plugins in the folder with GPO, which now no longer complains that it can't find it. However I can't persuade Finale to use the Garritan sounds. I set flute 1 to channel 1, 2 to 2 etc and loaded flutes into those channels in GPO, but I don't get playback from GPO. Do I need somehow to turn off SoftSynth, because that's where my sounds are coming from? John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Harold Owen 2830 Emerald St., Eugene, OR 97403 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit my web site at: http://uoregon.edu/~hjowen FAX: (509) 461-3608 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio
John, You should set up all 8 instruments in Player 1. MIDI playback should be set to GPO Studio: 1. Hal On 15 Mar 2005, at 00:56, Darcy James Argue wrote: No that's not it, I'm on Mac OS 10.3.8. Anyway I put the VST plugins in the folder with GPO, which now no longer complains that it can't find it. I don't know if that was such a good idea. You shouldn't have to move folders anywhere, and moving folders is generally very bad for GPO. I would definitely ask about this on the Northern Sounds forum. Well it may not have been such a good idea but it *did* get GPO Studio to behave as it should -- I now get the players appearing when I click on Player 1 etc and I can load up sounds in their slots. Do I need somehow to turn off SoftSynth, because that's where my sounds are coming from? Yes. As I told the last time you asked this question, you need to turn Internal Speaker Playback in Finale OFF. Sorry, I obviously wasn't paying attention properly. I've now turned it off. I now get no sound from strings but, oddly, the cor anglias and piano play. Whether or not these sounds are coming from Garritan I can't tell. In Speedy, I hear the cor anglais and piano as I enter notes, but no other instruments. In GPO Studio I have loaded: Player 1: Slot 1:cor anglais Slot 2: clarinet Slot 3: piano Player 2: Slots 1-5: Vln I, II, Vla, Vc, Cb These instruments are set to channels 1 - 8, and in Finale, in the Instrument list I have assigned the channels accordingly. Thanks, Darcy, I do appreciate you patience in replying to me. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Harold Owen 2830 Emerald St., Eugene, OR 97403 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit my web site at: http://uoregon.edu/~hjowen FAX: (509) 461-3608 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Gosh, it sounds bad. Here's a stab in the dark. Are the modulation wheels in GPO studio set to zero? steve On Mar 14, 2005, at 11:11 PM, John Bell wrote: On 15 Mar 2005, at 04:33, Harold Owen wrote: John, set Internal Speaker Playback to OFF. Yes, Hal, I've set it to off. And I've set the Instruments in the Instrument List to the channels that match those in GPO. Some sounds play back. Others do not. I'm still very much in the dark here. Dark as in black gloom despair. Regards John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac)
Title: Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac) Dear Darcy, Yes, I get it, and I agree it's annoying, but I've found that I can save time and energy by bringing up the file in Finale first, then opening GPO Studio, then changing the MIDI Setup. Although the directions for GPO Studio say it should be opened before Finale, it's not necessary as long as you know you will have to reset the MIDI Setup after loading in your GPO instruments. This is especially true when using more than four or five instruments because everything is so much slowed down after opening GPO Studio. I'm on iMac G4 with 1 GB RAM. The bug should be fixed, although I'm not sure it's the fault of Finale. What I'd really like is for Finale to give us a really comprehensive set-up for use with GPO that would read slurs and enter CC-64 information, make sure CC-1 sets all instruments above zero, and links the playback record button to the record playback in GPS Studio. BTW, I have a copy of Sibelius 3.1, and it provides a special version of the Kontakt Player that seems to offer more control of the GPO Studio from within Sibelius. Playback is automatically set up properly. However, the problem of clicks and slowing down of cpu functions is about the same as it is with Finale. Of course, things will not improve much on the Mac side with GPO until Native Instruments decides to optimize their code for Mac System X. Hal Hello, listers, Here is a message I sent to Macsupport, but I'd be ever so grateful if everyone with MacFin and GPO would take a moment to try the steps I outline below on their system. If you can reproduce this bug, please take a moment to send an email to Macsupport letting them know, and requesting that the problem be fixed. If you *can't* reproduce this bug, please let *me* know -- and please include your system info and your model of MIDI interface. --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GPO Studio not found Date: 12 March 2005 11:33:56 PM EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ryan, It doesn't matter how much time I give GPO to initialize and load my preset ensemble -- I always get the same error message. I know for a fact that several other GPO Mac Finale users (Gerald Berg, for instance) have the same problem. In fact, I have not yet heard from anyone on either the FInale list or on the Northern Sounds GPO Forum who does *not* have this problem, so if you can't reproduce it I'm really curious how you're getting it to work -- unless you never quit GPO studio? Try this: 1) Make sure Finale is not running, then temporarily remove or disable your Finale 2005 preferences. 2) Launch GPO Studio. (If GPO Studio is running, quit, then launch it again.) 3) Open Finale 2005 and launch the Maestro Default File. 4) In Finale's MIDI Setup, for output device, choose GPO Studio: 1. 5) Save preferences. 6) Quit Finale (and save the document as GPO Test.mus or whatever). 7) Quit GPO Studio. 8) Re-launch GPO Studio. 9) Double click GPO Test.mus. Are you telling me when you do this you *don't* get the error message (Finale is expecting the following devices, but they are not found inyour current Audio MIDI Setup configuration etc)? If you don't get the error message, then I'm stumped. I can reproduce this bug 100% of the time on my system (1.42 GHz Mac mini, FireWire Audiophile MIDI interface), and so can Gerald on his. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 10 Mar 2005, at 12:46 PM, MacSupport wrote: Darcy, The only reason that I can think of as to why this would happen is if you just are not giving GPO enough time to initialize before launching Finale. Other than that, I have not heard of this problem from any other GPO/Finale users. You may wish to check on the GPO forum and see if anyone else has experienced this problem. Sincerely, Ryan Customer Support Representative MakeMusic!, Inc. Please include all previous correspondence relating to this issue in your reply. Did we answer your question? Click here to comment on the quality of our Technical Support: http://www.finalemusic.com/support/comments.asp?tech=ryan Introducing Finale 2005! Check it out at http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/new/ -Original Message- From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:30 AM To: MacSupport Subject: GPO Studio not found Hello, When using GPO, I can't figure out how to get Finale to remember the choices I made in Finale's MIDI Setup. Even after setting up everything and saving preferences and making sure to launch GPO Studio before launching Finale, every time I launch Finale I get the same error message: Finale is expecting the following devices, but they are not found in your current Audio MIDI Setup configuration. Check your configuration in Finale MIDI Setup and in Audio MIDI Setup. Devices: GPO Studio: 1, GPO Studio: 2, GPO Studio: 3, GPO Studio: 4, GPO Studio: 5, GPO Studio: 6, GPO Studio: 7, GPO Studio: 8 Of course, as I said, I am
Re: [Finale] GPO Studio Not Found (Mac)
On 13 Mar 2005, at 9:40 PM, Harold Owen wrote: Dear Darcy, Yes, I get it, and I agree it's annoying Hi Hal, If you would send a quick note to MacSupport confirming the bug, I'd be much obliged. Ryan at MacSupport claimed I was the only person who had reported the problem, but I *know* I'm not the only person experiencing the problem, so it would help if Coda knew how widespread this bug really is. The bug should be fixed, although I'm not sure it's the fault of Finale. I am. It's *definitely* Finale's fault. What I'd really like is for Finale to give us a really comprehensive set-up for use with GPO that would read slurs and enter CC-64 information, A few days ago, I posted about the late Adam Burford's (Windows-only) Fingar plugin that correctly interprets slurs for GPO but got no response. http://www.burfordgallopade.com/fingar_plugin.html I agree that Human Playback's Optimize for GPO option should also include sending sustain pedal data for slurs. The best solution would be for Finale to support this functionality directly, without recourse to a plug-in. But failing that, a Mac port of Fingar would be extremely useful, if any plugin developers are interested in pursuing that avenue. make sure CC-1 sets all instruments above zero, Haven't had a problem with this so far. and links the playback record button to the record playback in GPS Studio. That would be great! It would also be great if the Save as Audio File option worked with GPO. I don't know how feasible that kind of integrations is, though. BTW, I have a copy of Sibelius 3.1, and it provides a special version of the Kontakt Player that seems to offer more control of the GPO Studio from within Sibelius. Playback is automatically set up properly. That would be *really* nice too. But, for a start, it would be good if the setup wizard at least assigned each staff its own channel and individual instrument. However, the problem of clicks and slowing down of cpu functions is about the same as it is with Finale. Of course, things will not improve much on the Mac side with GPO until Native Instruments decides to optimize their code for Mac System X. Word is, they have already done this in Kontakt 2.0. It's just a matter of when that new, optimized code is integrated into the GPO Kontakt Player. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
