Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-21 Thread David H. Bailey
On 4/20/2018 7:13 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > I take your point that they "could" do some of the abstraction that is > inherent in the newer programs.  I am not seeing anything that suggests > to me they are at all interested in matching up to Dorico.  Indeed, the > only recent statements I could

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-21 Thread Chuck Israels
The nice comment from David prompts me to weigh in for a moment. Much of my output in Finale is good — and close to serious engraving standards. That’s partly because I have the luxury of being able to work slowly, and partly because I work mostly in a idiom with which I am familiar. I have

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-21 Thread David H. Bailey
There are professional engraving projects being done with Dorico. If you want to see what it is capable of there are many youtube videos addressing various aspects of Dorico, and I would say that it is indeed capable of very elegant professional, publishable output. Yes, you read that one of

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-21 Thread Robert Patterson
> And with the entry of Dorico at the truly professional music engraving level Wait. Is Dorico at the truly professional level? All I've heard is that it has the potential to be but isn't there yet. I mean, one of the Dorico users in this thread even said they export to Finale for the finished

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-21 Thread Robert Patterson
Could you elaborate on what you find lacking in Finale's linked parts vs. Sib. (or even Dorico)? Some of that lack might be addressable with a plugin. On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 9:02 AM, David H. Bailey < dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com> wrote: > There are professional engraving projects being

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-21 Thread George Brooke
Following this discussion with interest. As a church musician, a great deal of my work involves lyrics. I’d appreciate observations about using lyrics in Dorico (especially as compared to Finale). Thanks George Brooke Sent from my iPad > On Apr 20, 2018, at 1:07 PM, David H. Bailey

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-21 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Anybody who can do ANYTHING with percussion parts with ANY of these products has my boundless admiration.  I find all the products unbelievably tedious when it comes to percussion parts.  There must be a better way. Regarding Dorico being ready for professional use, I agree with David that it

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-21 Thread Skjalg Bjørstad
Don’t know about the others, but the major shortcomings in Finale’s voiced linked parts are -Not access to special tools -No enharmonic flips Another limitation for linked part: Plug-ins/Script not accessible. (Scripts are accessible with a workaround, but...) Skjalg - for anledningen på nett

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-21 Thread Dreamhost
I disagree. I think this is a valuable discussion. Finale is a big part of our lives and livelyhood. I think a discussion of concerns about their direction is valid. Since I left MakeMusic, I’ve been kind of disheartened at the direction they’re going. I unfortunately don’t know many people

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-21 Thread Robert Patterson
Voiced linked parts are indeed fatally flawed for having no access to special tools. The irony is that there is no longer any need for this restriction and they could essentially just turn it off. I have complained about it in all the appropriate fora. Plugins are quite available in linked parts.

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-21 Thread Ryszard Pusz
I have followed this thread with interest. I continue to use Finale because I am too lazy to learn any other, but I use it quite detachedly. As a percussionist I would like to be able to notate a much greater range of nuances than the program allows, and then to have the sounds played back. I

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-21 Thread Robert Patterson
So I watched this video about laying out a piano/vocal score for a large orchestral work in Dorico. I would do (have done) this with linked parts in Finale. Finale's user interface is quite clunky compared to Dorico. To eliminate the piano reduction

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-21 Thread Craig Parmerlee
It seems that must of the function that Finale users have with Staff Styles is lacking in Dorico at the moment.  I don't think there is any support for slash notation or rhythmic notation, for example.  That rules it out for me for the time being. I cannot find any reference to one-bar and

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-21 Thread witmer
I'm so tired of this thread. Finale users: get on with it. Find a new subject. Please -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu On Behalf Of Skjalg Bjørstad Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 11:59 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] What is the

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-21 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Steve, I am a little confused.  As I understand it, all the licenses have the same functionality.  If you qualified for the educational license, doesn't that give you full use of Dorico?  I don't understand why you would duplicate the work in Finale. This is relevant to me because most of my

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-21 Thread David H. Bailey
On 4/21/2018 12:04 PM, wit...@nctv.com wrote: > I'm so tired of this thread. Finale users: get on with it. Find a new subject. > Please > [snip] If you want a new discussion then you have to start it. Ask a question, air a complaint, whatever. Nobody leads this group, the conversation goes

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-21 Thread craig
Allen, Thank you for all those years of effort. A very large number of us benefited greatly from everything you and MakeMusic did. And even if the program is now in "cash cow" or "maintenance" mode, it still is useful for many. That's much more of a run than most software titles

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-21 Thread Steve Parker
> On 21 Apr 2018, at 13:33, Robert Patterson > wrote: > > Wait. Is Dorico at the truly professional level? All I've heard is that it > has the potential to be but isn't there yet. I mean, one of the Dorico > users in this thread

[Finale] Was: What is the Finale strategy; now: get on with it?

2018-04-21 Thread Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
I really don’t want to pile on, but I disagree profoundly. This is a fascinating discussion and an intriguing one regarding Dorico’s capabilities compared to those of Finale (and Sibelius.) As a longtime Finale user going back well over 20 years, and a Sibelius one for slightly less, I’m

Re: [Finale] What is the Finale strategy?

2018-04-21 Thread Barbara Touburg
I have just watched the youtube videos and it occured to me that they have borrowed a lot from InDesign, which I know farely well. I might like it. Who knows? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To