Re: [Finale] Mac Modeless Plugin Windows

[Robert Patterson]

That sounds like the problem is probably Sierra then. Here's some good
news: I added JW Copy Part Layout to my list for the modal fix. (And it
works equally with 1.03 or 1.04.) So it may be that you'll find it easier
to leave it open with that in place.

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 9:34 AM, Steve Parker  wrote:

> Odd. It’s definitely 1.04, and definitely in the only plugins folder for
> 2014.5, replacing the 1.03.
> Also, the problem is now different. It immediately quits Finale rather
> than just disappearing.
> Back to 1.03 for now..
>
> Steve P.
>
> > On 16 Jan 2017, at 15:08, Robert Patterson 
> wrote:
> >
> > That's weird. I had your identical symptoms with JW Copy Part Layout and
> > 14.5 until I updated to 1.04. I have a hard time believing the problem is
> > Sierra but it might be. The more likely explanation is you copied the
> 1.04
> > file to the wrong place, but since you've double checked I'm stumped. I
> > wish the plugin had a way to confirm the version while running.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Steve Parker 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, I restarted a few times after 1.04 quit it.
> >> 2014.5 works fine with Sierra generally, other than  it crashes when I
> >> quit. It's done that since 2014.
> >>
> >>> On 16 Jan 2017, at 14:32, Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm still on 10.11, but 1.04 works fine there for me (with 14.5). Are
> you
> >>> certain you restarted Finale after updating? It could also be a Sierra
> >>> problem. I believe Fin14d is incompatible with Sierra but I don't
> recall
> >>> the status of 14.5.
> >>>
>  On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Parker 
> >> wrote:
> 
>  Hmm.. just updated from 1.03 to 1.04.
>  Finale instantly quits without warning when I hit ‘close’ on the
> >> plug-in,
>  now..
>  Is 1.04 ok with 2014.5 and Sierra?
> 
>  Steve P.
> 
> > On 16 Jan 2017, at 13:09, Robert Patterson <
> >> rob...@robertgpatterson.com>
>  wrote:
> >
> >> I can only use ‘Copy Part Layout’ once without restarting Finale.
> >
> > That sounds like you need to update it to the latest version. I had
> >> this
> > problem until I updated.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:52 AM, Steve Parker 
>  wrote:
> >
> >> Not sure if it’s related, but I can only use ‘Copy Part Layout’ once
> >> without restarting Finale.
> >> It disappears and won’t come back.
> >>
> >> Finale 2014.5, Sierra.
> >>
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Re: [Finale] Mac Modeless Plugin Windows

[Steve Parker]

Odd. It’s definitely 1.04, and definitely in the only plugins folder for 
2014.5, replacing the 1.03.
Also, the problem is now different. It immediately quits Finale rather than 
just disappearing.
Back to 1.03 for now..

Steve P.

> On 16 Jan 2017, at 15:08, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
> That's weird. I had your identical symptoms with JW Copy Part Layout and
> 14.5 until I updated to 1.04. I have a hard time believing the problem is
> Sierra but it might be. The more likely explanation is you copied the 1.04
> file to the wrong place, but since you've double checked I'm stumped. I
> wish the plugin had a way to confirm the version while running.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Steve Parker  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, I restarted a few times after 1.04 quit it.
>> 2014.5 works fine with Sierra generally, other than  it crashes when I
>> quit. It's done that since 2014.
>> 
>>> On 16 Jan 2017, at 14:32, Robert Patterson 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm still on 10.11, but 1.04 works fine there for me (with 14.5). Are you
>>> certain you restarted Finale after updating? It could also be a Sierra
>>> problem. I believe Fin14d is incompatible with Sierra but I don't recall
>>> the status of 14.5.
>>> 
 On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Parker 
>> wrote:
 
 Hmm.. just updated from 1.03 to 1.04.
 Finale instantly quits without warning when I hit ‘close’ on the
>> plug-in,
 now..
 Is 1.04 ok with 2014.5 and Sierra?
 
 Steve P.
 
> On 16 Jan 2017, at 13:09, Robert Patterson <
>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com>
 wrote:
> 
>> I can only use ‘Copy Part Layout’ once without restarting Finale.
> 
> That sounds like you need to update it to the latest version. I had
>> this
> problem until I updated.
> 
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:52 AM, Steve Parker 
 wrote:
> 
>> Not sure if it’s related, but I can only use ‘Copy Part Layout’ once
>> without restarting Finale.
>> It disappears and won’t come back.
>> 
>> Finale 2014.5, Sierra.
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Mac Modeless Plugin Windows

[Robert Patterson]

That's weird. I had your identical symptoms with JW Copy Part Layout and
14.5 until I updated to 1.04. I have a hard time believing the problem is
Sierra but it might be. The more likely explanation is you copied the 1.04
file to the wrong place, but since you've double checked I'm stumped. I
wish the plugin had a way to confirm the version while running.


On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Steve Parker  wrote:

> Yes, I restarted a few times after 1.04 quit it.
> 2014.5 works fine with Sierra generally, other than  it crashes when I
> quit. It's done that since 2014.
>
> > On 16 Jan 2017, at 14:32, Robert Patterson 
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm still on 10.11, but 1.04 works fine there for me (with 14.5). Are you
> > certain you restarted Finale after updating? It could also be a Sierra
> > problem. I believe Fin14d is incompatible with Sierra but I don't recall
> > the status of 14.5.
> >
> >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Parker 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hmm.. just updated from 1.03 to 1.04.
> >> Finale instantly quits without warning when I hit ‘close’ on the
> plug-in,
> >> now..
> >> Is 1.04 ok with 2014.5 and Sierra?
> >>
> >> Steve P.
> >>
> >>> On 16 Jan 2017, at 13:09, Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
>  I can only use ‘Copy Part Layout’ once without restarting Finale.
> >>>
> >>> That sounds like you need to update it to the latest version. I had
> this
> >>> problem until I updated.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:52 AM, Steve Parker 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
>  Not sure if it’s related, but I can only use ‘Copy Part Layout’ once
>  without restarting Finale.
>  It disappears and won’t come back.
> 
>  Finale 2014.5, Sierra.
> 
>  Steve P.
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Re: [Finale] Mac Modeless Plugin Windows

[Steve Parker]

Yes, I restarted a few times after 1.04 quit it. 
2014.5 works fine with Sierra generally, other than  it crashes when I quit. 
It's done that since 2014. 

> On 16 Jan 2017, at 14:32, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm still on 10.11, but 1.04 works fine there for me (with 14.5). Are you
> certain you restarted Finale after updating? It could also be a Sierra
> problem. I believe Fin14d is incompatible with Sierra but I don't recall
> the status of 14.5.
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Parker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm.. just updated from 1.03 to 1.04.
>> Finale instantly quits without warning when I hit ‘close’ on the plug-in,
>> now..
>> Is 1.04 ok with 2014.5 and Sierra?
>> 
>> Steve P.
>> 
>>> On 16 Jan 2017, at 13:09, Robert Patterson 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 I can only use ‘Copy Part Layout’ once without restarting Finale.
>>> 
>>> That sounds like you need to update it to the latest version. I had this
>>> problem until I updated.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:52 AM, Steve Parker 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 Not sure if it’s related, but I can only use ‘Copy Part Layout’ once
 without restarting Finale.
 It disappears and won’t come back.
 
 Finale 2014.5, Sierra.
 
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Re: [Finale] Mac Modeless Plugin Windows

[Robert Patterson]

I'm still on 10.11, but 1.04 works fine there for me (with 14.5). Are you
certain you restarted Finale after updating? It could also be a Sierra
problem. I believe Fin14d is incompatible with Sierra but I don't recall
the status of 14.5.

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Parker  wrote:

> Hmm.. just updated from 1.03 to 1.04.
> Finale instantly quits without warning when I hit ‘close’ on the plug-in,
> now..
> Is 1.04 ok with 2014.5 and Sierra?
>
> Steve P.
>
> > On 16 Jan 2017, at 13:09, Robert Patterson 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I can only use ‘Copy Part Layout’ once without restarting Finale.
> >
> > That sounds like you need to update it to the latest version. I had this
> > problem until I updated.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:52 AM, Steve Parker 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Not sure if it’s related, but I can only use ‘Copy Part Layout’ once
> >> without restarting Finale.
> >> It disappears and won’t come back.
> >>
> >> Finale 2014.5, Sierra.
> >>
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Re: [Finale] Mac Modeless Plugin Windows

[Steve Parker]

Hmm.. just updated from 1.03 to 1.04.
Finale instantly quits without warning when I hit ‘close’ on the plug-in, now..
Is 1.04 ok with 2014.5 and Sierra?

Steve P.

> On 16 Jan 2017, at 13:09, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
>> I can only use ‘Copy Part Layout’ once without restarting Finale.
> 
> That sounds like you need to update it to the latest version. I had this
> problem until I updated.
> 
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:52 AM, Steve Parker  wrote:
> 
>> Not sure if it’s related, but I can only use ‘Copy Part Layout’ once
>> without restarting Finale.
>> It disappears and won’t come back.
>> 
>> Finale 2014.5, Sierra.
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Mac Modeless Plugin Windows

[Robert Patterson]

>I can only use ‘Copy Part Layout’ once without restarting Finale.

That sounds like you need to update it to the latest version. I had this
problem until I updated.

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:52 AM, Steve Parker  wrote:

> Not sure if it’s related, but I can only use ‘Copy Part Layout’ once
> without restarting Finale.
> It disappears and won’t come back.
>
> Finale 2014.5, Sierra.
>
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Re: [Finale] Mac Modeless Plugin Windows

[Steve Parker]

Not sure if it’s related, but I can only use ‘Copy Part Layout’ once without 
restarting Finale.
It disappears and won’t come back.

Finale 2014.5, Sierra.

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Re: [Finale] Mac Modeless Plugin Windows

[Giovanni Andreani]

Could the playback window be considered modeless?

Giovanni Andreani

> On 16 Jan 2017, at 03:58, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
> For the non-techie, a "modeless" window is one that you can click away from
> without dismissing the window. Document windows and palettes are example of
> modeless windows. As are some plugin windows.
> 
> A long-standing irritation with Mac modeless plugin windows is that when a
> dialog box pops up, the modeless window grabs focus away from the document
> window. (This behavior dates back to the OSX transition and Finale 2004.)
> 
> I recently discovered a near-trivial program change that fixes this problem
> for Mac Fin2014.5 and higher. I am working on an update to my plugin suite
> that fixes all of my modeless windows. (These include Mass Copy, Page Title
> Copy, Copyist Helper, among others.) Using the new versions feels like
> someone stopped beating me in the head.
> 
> I have also figured out a way to solve the problem for windows I don't own.
> But doing so demands a conservative approach. The list of non-owned windows
> I'm willing to tickle must be short and well-defined. So far it is a list
> of one: Space Systems.
> 
> My question for the list is, other than my suite and Space Systems, what
> other modeless windows would you like to be able to leave open on the
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Re: [Finale] Mac Modeless Plugin Windows

[Christopher Smith]

JW Copy Part Layout. Drives me a little nuts, this one.

Christopher


> On Sun Jan 15, at SundayJan 15 9:58 PM, Robert Patterson 
>  wrote:
> 
> For the non-techie, a "modeless" window is one that you can click away from
> without dismissing the window. Document windows and palettes are example of
> modeless windows. As are some plugin windows.
> 
> A long-standing irritation with Mac modeless plugin windows is that when a
> dialog box pops up, the modeless window grabs focus away from the document
> window. (This behavior dates back to the OSX transition and Finale 2004.)
> 
> I recently discovered a near-trivial program change that fixes this problem
> for Mac Fin2014.5 and higher. I am working on an update to my plugin suite
> that fixes all of my modeless windows. (These include Mass Copy, Page Title
> Copy, Copyist Helper, among others.) Using the new versions feels like
> someone stopped beating me in the head.
> 
> I have also figured out a way to solve the problem for windows I don't own.
> But doing so demands a conservative approach. The list of non-owned windows
> I'm willing to tickle must be short and well-defined. So far it is a list
> of one: Space Systems.
> 
> My question for the list is, other than my suite and Space Systems, what
> other modeless windows would you like to be able to leave open on the
> desktop but can't because of this problem?
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Re: [Finale] Mac Modeless Plugin Windows

[Robert Patterson]

I believe TGTools Add/Subtract space has hotkeys. I use the hotkeys
constantly but rarely open the window.

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 9:09 PM, John Roberts  wrote:

> I too find that TG Tools windows seem to take over - I use the
> add/subtract space in a measure quite a lot, and have to manually close it
> between uses or it does interfere with normal Finale operation.
>
> I’ve never used Jari’s plug-ins -- my use of Finale, though long term,
> (since v.2.1) has generally been only for lead sheets and tablature so my
> needs are simple.
>
> John Roberts
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:01 PM, Chuck Israels 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Robert,
> >
> > TGTools - Modify/Transfer Layout
> >
> > When Jari updates his plugins, this may become superfluous.
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > (
> >> On Jan 15, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> For the non-techie, a "modeless" window is one that you can click away
> from
> >> without dismissing the window. Document windows and palettes are
> example of
> >> modeless windows. As are some plugin windows.
> >>
> >> A long-standing irritation with Mac modeless plugin windows is that
> when a
> >> dialog box pops up, the modeless window grabs focus away from the
> document
> >> window. (This behavior dates back to the OSX transition and Finale
> 2004.)
> >>
> >> I recently discovered a near-trivial program change that fixes this
> problem
> >> for Mac Fin2014.5 and higher. I am working on an update to my plugin
> suite
> >> that fixes all of my modeless windows. (These include Mass Copy, Page
> Title
> >> Copy, Copyist Helper, among others.) Using the new versions feels like
> >> someone stopped beating me in the head.
> >>
> >> I have also figured out a way to solve the problem for windows I don't
> own.
> >> But doing so demands a conservative approach. The list of non-owned
> windows
> >> I'm willing to tickle must be short and well-defined. So far it is a
> list
> >> of one: Space Systems.
> >>
> >> My question for the list is, other than my suite and Space Systems, what
> >> other modeless windows would you like to be able to leave open on the
> >> desktop but can't because of this problem?
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Re: [Finale] Mac Modeless Plugin Windows

[John Roberts]

I too find that TG Tools windows seem to take over - I use the add/subtract 
space in a measure quite a lot, and have to manually close it between uses or 
it does interfere with normal Finale operation.

I’ve never used Jari’s plug-ins -- my use of Finale, though long term, (since 
v.2.1) has generally been only for lead sheets and tablature so my needs are 
simple.

John Roberts




> On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:01 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> 
> Hi Robert,
> 
> TGTools - Modify/Transfer Layout
> 
> When Jari updates his plugins, this may become superfluous.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> (
>> On Jan 15, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Robert Patterson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> For the non-techie, a "modeless" window is one that you can click away from
>> without dismissing the window. Document windows and palettes are example of
>> modeless windows. As are some plugin windows.
>> 
>> A long-standing irritation with Mac modeless plugin windows is that when a
>> dialog box pops up, the modeless window grabs focus away from the document
>> window. (This behavior dates back to the OSX transition and Finale 2004.)
>> 
>> I recently discovered a near-trivial program change that fixes this problem
>> for Mac Fin2014.5 and higher. I am working on an update to my plugin suite
>> that fixes all of my modeless windows. (These include Mass Copy, Page Title
>> Copy, Copyist Helper, among others.) Using the new versions feels like
>> someone stopped beating me in the head.
>> 
>> I have also figured out a way to solve the problem for windows I don't own.
>> But doing so demands a conservative approach. The list of non-owned windows
>> I'm willing to tickle must be short and well-defined. So far it is a list
>> of one: Space Systems.
>> 
>> My question for the list is, other than my suite and Space Systems, what
>> other modeless windows would you like to be able to leave open on the
>> desktop but can't because of this problem?
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Re: [Finale] Mac Modeless Plugin Windows

[Robert Patterson]

Also, my suite has a similar function (though not modeless).

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 9:01 PM, Chuck Israels  wrote:

> Hi Robert,
>
> TGTools - Modify/Transfer Layout
>
> When Jari updates his plugins, this may become superfluous.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> (
> > On Jan 15, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> >
> > For the non-techie, a "modeless" window is one that you can click away
> from
> > without dismissing the window. Document windows and palettes are example
> of
> > modeless windows. As are some plugin windows.
> >
> > A long-standing irritation with Mac modeless plugin windows is that when
> a
> > dialog box pops up, the modeless window grabs focus away from the
> document
> > window. (This behavior dates back to the OSX transition and Finale 2004.)
> >
> > I recently discovered a near-trivial program change that fixes this
> problem
> > for Mac Fin2014.5 and higher. I am working on an update to my plugin
> suite
> > that fixes all of my modeless windows. (These include Mass Copy, Page
> Title
> > Copy, Copyist Helper, among others.) Using the new versions feels like
> > someone stopped beating me in the head.
> >
> > I have also figured out a way to solve the problem for windows I don't
> own.
> > But doing so demands a conservative approach. The list of non-owned
> windows
> > I'm willing to tickle must be short and well-defined. So far it is a list
> > of one: Space Systems.
> >
> > My question for the list is, other than my suite and Space Systems, what
> > other modeless windows would you like to be able to leave open on the
> > desktop but can't because of this problem?
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>
> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
> Portland OR 97202
>
> 
>
>
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Re: [Finale] Mac Modeless Plugin Windows

[Chuck Israels]

Hi Robert,

TGTools - Modify/Transfer Layout

When Jari updates his plugins, this may become superfluous.

Many thanks,

Chuck



(
> On Jan 15, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
> For the non-techie, a "modeless" window is one that you can click away from
> without dismissing the window. Document windows and palettes are example of
> modeless windows. As are some plugin windows.
> 
> A long-standing irritation with Mac modeless plugin windows is that when a
> dialog box pops up, the modeless window grabs focus away from the document
> window. (This behavior dates back to the OSX transition and Finale 2004.)
> 
> I recently discovered a near-trivial program change that fixes this problem
> for Mac Fin2014.5 and higher. I am working on an update to my plugin suite
> that fixes all of my modeless windows. (These include Mass Copy, Page Title
> Copy, Copyist Helper, among others.) Using the new versions feels like
> someone stopped beating me in the head.
> 
> I have also figured out a way to solve the problem for windows I don't own.
> But doing so demands a conservative approach. The list of non-owned windows
> I'm willing to tickle must be short and well-defined. So far it is a list
> of one: Space Systems.
> 
> My question for the list is, other than my suite and Space Systems, what
> other modeless windows would you like to be able to leave open on the
> desktop but can't because of this problem?
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[Finale] Mac Modeless Plugin Windows

[Robert Patterson]

For the non-techie, a "modeless" window is one that you can click away from
without dismissing the window. Document windows and palettes are example of
modeless windows. As are some plugin windows.

A long-standing irritation with Mac modeless plugin windows is that when a
dialog box pops up, the modeless window grabs focus away from the document
window. (This behavior dates back to the OSX transition and Finale 2004.)

I recently discovered a near-trivial program change that fixes this problem
for Mac Fin2014.5 and higher. I am working on an update to my plugin suite
that fixes all of my modeless windows. (These include Mass Copy, Page Title
Copy, Copyist Helper, among others.) Using the new versions feels like
someone stopped beating me in the head.

I have also figured out a way to solve the problem for windows I don't own.
But doing so demands a conservative approach. The list of non-owned windows
I'm willing to tickle must be short and well-defined. So far it is a list
of one: Space Systems.

My question for the list is, other than my suite and Space Systems, what
other modeless windows would you like to be able to leave open on the
desktop but can't because of this problem?
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