Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Craig Parmerlee]

My comments below


On 11/18/2015 9:40 AM, Jan Angermüller wrote:
>
> Have you checked the HP settings for portamento/chromatic gliss ?
> Maybe they changed the default setting ? But I can't believe that you
> open a file that was set to chromatic gliss now automatically becomes a
> portamento. At least it should be easy to change in the HP settings
> (HP->Glissandi/Bends->Type: Chromatic).

You are correct.  The setting was "automatic"  Evidently the handling 
for "automatic" changed.  I set it to "chromatic" and it plans as 
before, which is preferable in this case.  Thanks for that tip.

One of the bug fixes involved the criss-crossed use of two different 
MIDI controllers (I think these affected volume and not pitch), so it 
seems they were in that area of code at least to some extent.


>> but they didn't fix the main HP bugs
>> that have to do with note-on/off timing.
> I haven't tested it myself yet. But if they didn't fix the long known
> note-on/off bug that accidentally skips notes in playback,

I would agree.  I have not tested this personally and am relying on a 
(reliable) user who posted at the Finale forum.

The reality here is that this is essentially a new company and mostly a 
new set of developers inheriting a huge and quite complex code base. 
Having done that a few times in my career, I can tell you this is really 
scary.  Coincidentally, Sibelius was in exactly the same position.  The 
Sibelius people opted to not touch the main code and to put out a "7.5" 
that was almost entirely cosmetic.  It was a "statement of support" but 
not real support.

The Finale people wanted to demonstrate something a little more 
substantial, and took an extra 18 months for that.

I can't say which strategy was correct.  The fact is that there are 
still big bugs needing fixes and important improvements needed.  At this 
stage we have more evidence that the Finale people can make improvements 
than we have from the Sibelius people.  But if we are looking at another 
18 months before the next set of bug fixes, that will be really 
disappointing.

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Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Jan Angermüller]

> In 2014, it plays distinct
> notes in that run, which is how the flute will sound.  In 2014.5, it is
> a portamento.  That's OK for this project.  Anyway, my point is that
> they did something in that area,
Have you checked the HP settings for portamento/chromatic gliss ?
Maybe they changed the default setting ? But I can't believe that you 
open a file that was set to chromatic gliss now automatically becomes a 
portamento. At least it should be easy to change in the HP settings 
(HP->Glissandi/Bends->Type: Chromatic).

> but they didn't fix the main HP bugs
> that have to do with note-on/off timing.
I haven't tested it myself yet. But if they didn't fix the long known 
note-on/off bug that accidentally skips notes in playback, this would be 
a pretty bad priority list for bug fixing: playback would still not be 
working properly.

Jan
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Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Craig Parmerlee]

Yes, it is a mixed bag.  So far, the biggest problem I have seen is that 
it knocks out VST playback after doing an export to WAV.  I have to 
restart Finale to get sound going again.

They seemed to have done a few things affecting HP.  For example I am 
working on an arrangement where the flutes gliss an octave, so I notated 
this with the straight line smartshape.  In 2014, it plays distinct 
notes in that run, which is how the flute will sound.  In 2014.5, it is 
a portamento.  That's OK for this project.  Anyway, my point is that 
they did something in that area, but they didn't fix the main HP bugs 
that have to do with note-on/off timing.

The good news is that the new team is able to make some changes that are 
more than superficial without completely ruining the product, so they 
should be in a position to fix more of the bugs.




On 11/18/2015 2:05 AM, Dave Lang wrote:
> I don’t understand how things like this get rolled out in 2015. We were 
> laughing about it when I was still working in tech back in 1992. 
> Disconcerting. Like a trumpet player who shows up without any valve oil.
>
> I’m happy the update was released.  While this version has introduced new 
> bugs, it did squash some others that directly affected me every time I worked 
> on a file.

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Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Steve Parker]

It confazzled me for 30 seconds too…

Steve P.

> On 17 Nov 2015, at 22:12, Dean Rosenthal  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The oddest first thing I found about Finale 2014.5 (before taking it for a
> drive) is that after reading the list of fixes and improvements, there is
> no indication anywhere on the pop-up menu as to how to download it!
> 
> After some confusion, you discover you have to click on "*learn more*" –
> not a button that would say "*get it now*" or "*download now*". Although it
> does say up top, "do you want to download?" – no telling how you might.
> 
> Finale, when you offer a new version, have a download button in the pop up
> window or explain that you need to click "learn more" to get the new
> version. It's a totally superficial criticism, but a valid one. This is not
> a complaint, however, and I wish us all good luck with this one.
> 
> Dean
> 
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Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Dean Rosenthal]

Hi,

The oddest first thing I found about Finale 2014.5 (before taking it for a
drive) is that after reading the list of fixes and improvements, there is
no indication anywhere on the pop-up menu as to how to download it!

After some confusion, you discover you have to click on "*learn more*" –
not a button that would say "*get it now*" or "*download now*". Although it
does say up top, "do you want to download?" – no telling how you might.

Finale, when you offer a new version, have a download button in the pop up
window or explain that you need to click "learn more" to get the new
version. It's a totally superficial criticism, but a valid one. This is not
a complaint, however, and I wish us all good luck with this one.

Dean

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www.stonespiece.com
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Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Craig Parmerlee]

A lot longer than 30 seconds for me.  If you do "check for updates" from 
within Finale, then you get useful instructions, but none of that is in 
the Readme or in the announcement email.

You won't find this in the downloads section like other patches.  The 
procedure is to log onto you account at the Finale site.  By to "your 
software"  That will indicate  Finale 2014 available for download.  Even 
though it says it is 2014, it is actually 2014.5.




On 11/17/2015 6:24 PM, Steve Parker wrote:
> It confazzled me for 30 seconds too…
>

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Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Dave Lang]

> Even though it says it is 2014, it is actually 2014.5

I don’t understand how things like this get rolled out in 2015. We were 
laughing about it when I was still working in tech back in 1992. Disconcerting. 
Like a trumpet player who shows up without any valve oil.

I’m happy the update was released.  While this version has introduced new bugs, 
it did squash some others that directly affected me every time I worked on a 
file.

A pretty mediocre performance, though.

Hopefully work will continue and they’ll do better next time.

cheers
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