Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-18 Thread Jack Howarth
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 05:58:00PM +0200, Martin Costabel wrote: > Michal Suchanek wrote: >> 2009/9/18 Martin Costabel : > [] >>> completely over to /opt/X11, which means changing every single package >>> and forcing everyone to abandon the system X11. >>> >> >> Well, perhaps you can introduce a va

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Costabel
Michal Suchanek wrote: > 2009/9/18 Martin Costabel : [] >> completely over to /opt/X11, which means changing every single package >> and forcing everyone to abandon the system X11. >> > > Well, perhaps you can introduce a variable which specifies the X > location so most packages can be updated to

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-18 Thread Michal Suchanek
2009/9/18 David R. Morrison : > > On Sep 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote: > >> 2009/9/18 Martin Costabel : >>> >>> David R. Morrison wrote: On Sep 18, 2009, at 7:23 AM, Jack Howarth wrote: > Martin, >   I don't follow your last statement. My understanding is that

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-18 Thread David R. Morrison
On Sep 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote: > 2009/9/18 Martin Costabel : >> David R. Morrison wrote: >>> >>> On Sep 18, 2009, at 7:23 AM, Jack Howarth wrote: >>> Martin, I don't follow your last statement. My understanding is that X11 in Snow Leopard is already preconf

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-18 Thread Michal Suchanek
2009/9/18 Martin Costabel : > David R. Morrison wrote: >> >> On Sep 18, 2009, at 7:23 AM, Jack Howarth wrote: >> >>> Martin, >>>    I don't follow your last statement. My understanding is that X11 >>> in Snow Leopard is already preconfigured to hand off to an X11 in /opt >>> if present (remember th

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Costabel
David R. Morrison wrote: > > On Sep 18, 2009, at 7:23 AM, Jack Howarth wrote: > >> Martin, >>I don't follow your last statement. My understanding is that X11 >> in Snow Leopard is already preconfigured to hand off to an X11 in /opt >> if present (remember that Jeremy Huddleston is both X11 ma

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-18 Thread David R. Morrison
On Sep 18, 2009, at 7:23 AM, Jack Howarth wrote: > Martin, >I don't follow your last statement. My understanding is that X11 > in Snow Leopard is already preconfigured to hand off to an X11 in /opt > if present (remember that Jeremy Huddleston is both X11 maintainer at > Apple as well as the

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-18 Thread Jack Howarth
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 01:47:20AM +0200, Martin Costabel wrote: > Alexander Hansen wrote: > [] >> There was an official update of 10.4's X11 via Software Update. And on >> Leopard a number of the system updates included files in the X11 >> distribution. > > I agree with Jack on the fact that the

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Martin Costabel
Alexander Hansen wrote: [] > There was an official update of 10.4's X11 via Software Update. And on > Leopard a number of the system updates included files in the X11 > distribution. I agree with Jack on the fact that the xquartz development improved the "official" X11. The latest softwareupdated

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Alexander Hansen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jack Howarth wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:12:47PM -0400, Alexander Hansen wrote: > Robert Wyatt wrote: Jack Howarth wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:35:26AM -0500, Robert Wyatt wrote: >> Jack Howarth wrote: >>> Martin, >>

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Jack Howarth
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:12:47PM -0400, Alexander Hansen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Robert Wyatt wrote: > > Jack Howarth wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:35:26AM -0500, Robert Wyatt wrote: > >>> Jack Howarth wrote: > Martin, > Well, the problem

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Alexander Hansen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Wyatt wrote: > Jack Howarth wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:35:26AM -0500, Robert Wyatt wrote: >>> Jack Howarth wrote: Martin, Well, the problem is that the bulk (if not all) of X11 Xquartz will likely appear in a future so

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Jack Howarth
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:55:49AM -0500, Robert Wyatt wrote: > Jack Howarth wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:35:26AM -0500, Robert Wyatt wrote: >>> Jack Howarth wrote: Martin, Well, the problem is that the bulk (if not all) of X11 Xquartz will likely appear in a future softwar

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Robert Wyatt
Jack Howarth wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:35:26AM -0500, Robert Wyatt wrote: >> Jack Howarth wrote: >>> Martin, >>> Well, the problem is that the bulk (if not all) >>> of X11 Xquartz will likely appear in a future software >>> update of the X11 components from Apple. >> Not that it won't o

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Jack Howarth
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:35:26AM -0500, Robert Wyatt wrote: > Jack Howarth wrote: >> Martin, >> Well, the problem is that the bulk (if not all) >> of X11 Xquartz will likely appear in a future software >> update of the X11 components from Apple. > > Not that it won't or that I wouldn't like to

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Robert Wyatt
Jack Howarth wrote: > Martin, > Well, the problem is that the bulk (if not all) > of X11 Xquartz will likely appear in a future software > update of the X11 components from Apple. Not that it won't or that I wouldn't like to see it, but when has this ever happened before? --Robert ---

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Jack Howarth
Martin, Well, the problem is that the bulk (if not all) of X11 Xquartz will likely appear in a future software update of the X11 components from Apple. This really the main reason I moved over to MacPorts. A number of times in the past X11 Xquartz changes have broken pymol and I don't want to see

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Martin Costabel
Jack Howarth wrote: > Martin, >It is a bit extreme to say the Jeremy has gone > off the deep end with bleeding edge. Completely I didn't say "off the deep end". What he does is still very valuable, but in a different way from before. In the long run, it will probably benefit all users of X11

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Jack Howarth
Martin, It is a bit extreme to say the Jeremy has gone off the deep end with bleeding edge. Completely untrue. Even if the X11 Xquartz was based entirely on the same code as that in Snow Leopard X11, this issue of potential incompatibilities would exist. The change causing the problem is the mov

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Martin Costabel
Alexander Hansen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Robert Wyatt wrote: >> Jeremy H has just released XQuartz 2.4.1_alpha1 for Snow Leopard. I'm >> going to continue to work through building the bundle- packages with the >> X11 that shipped with 10.6 for now unless you

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-16 Thread Robert Wyatt
Alexander Hansen wrote: > > Robert Wyatt wrote: >> Jeremy H has just released XQuartz 2.4.1_alpha1 for Snow Leopard. I'm >> going to continue to work through building the bundle- packages with the >> X11 that shipped with 10.6 for now unless you folks think that it >> shouldn't matter (in which

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-16 Thread Alexander Hansen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Wyatt wrote: > Jeremy H has just released XQuartz 2.4.1_alpha1 for Snow Leopard. I'm > going to continue to work through building the bundle- packages with the > X11 that shipped with 10.6 for now unless you folks think that it > shouldn't ma

[Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-16 Thread Robert Wyatt
Jeremy H has just released XQuartz 2.4.1_alpha1 for Snow Leopard. I'm going to continue to work through building the bundle- packages with the X11 that shipped with 10.6 for now unless you folks think that it shouldn't matter (in which case I would install the alpha). --Robert -