Re: [Firebird-devel] Firebird 3, time to rename conflict names ?

2012-11-17 Thread Philippe Makowski
Ted Miglautsch [2012-11-17 13:40] : > Instead of changing fb's command name maybe we should make them change > their command names. :) > no way, too late, and even worst, isql from Firebird is not isql from Interbase for example we have to change ours, like we changed from gsd32 to fbclient.

Re: [Firebird-devel] Firebird 3, time to rename conflict names ?

2012-11-17 Thread Damyan Ivanov
-=| Philippe Makowski, 17.11.2012 10:48:19 +0100 |=- > it could be then > > fb-sql, fb-dump, fb-security, fb-fixup, fb-stat, fb-backup, fb-qli, > fb-preprocess, fb-split, > fb-qli > > or > > fb_sql, fb_dump, fb_security, fb_fixup, fb_stat, fb_backup, fb_qli, > fb_preprocess, fb_split, fb_qli >

Re: [Firebird-devel] Firebird 3, time to rename conflict names ?

2012-11-17 Thread Adriano dos Santos Fernandes
On 17-11-2012 09:52, Nando Dessena wrote: > I'd suggest that new tool names come with a new set of revised switches, > and that a compatibility layer be developed (tools with old names & > switches that call the new ones). > I'm totally if favor of this and manifest it a long time ago when that m

Re: [Firebird-devel] Firebird 3, time to rename conflict names ?

2012-11-17 Thread Ted Miglautsch
Instead of changing fb's command name maybe we should make them change their command names. :) Philippe Makowski wrote: > Hi all, > > we have some binaries that have conflict name with other products : > isql (UNIX-ODBC) and gstat (Ganglia) > > may be Firebird 3 is the good time frame to rename

Re: [Firebird-devel] Firebird 3, time to rename conflict names ?

2012-11-17 Thread Dimitry Sibiryakov
17.11.2012 12:52, Nando Dessena wrote: > and that a compatibility layer be developed (tools with old names & > switches that call the new ones). Whole this topic is about getting rid of tools with old names. What's the point then?.. -- WBR, SD. ---

Re: [Firebird-devel] Firebird 3, time to rename conflict names ?

2012-11-17 Thread Nando Dessena
I'd suggest that new tool names come with a new set of revised switches, and that a compatibility layer be developed (tools with old names & switches that call the new ones). Ciao -- Nando Dessena -- Monitor your physic

Re: [Firebird-devel] Firebird 3, time to rename conflict names ?

2012-11-17 Thread Gabor Boros
2012.11.17. 10:54 keltezéssel, Philippe Makowski írta: > no dash, but underscore or nothing and fbsql conflict with others products From a user's viewpoint I prefer fbclient, fbserver like naming. fbisql (Firebird Interactive SQL Utility) is wrong? Gabor --

Re: [Firebird-devel] Firebird 3, time to rename conflict names ?

2012-11-17 Thread Philippe Makowski
Dimitry Sibiryakov [2012-11-17 11:06] : > 17.11.2012 10:54, Philippe Makowski wrote: >> fbsql conflict with others products > >Not quite so. These other products have file extensions. > yes you are right -- Monitor

Re: [Firebird-devel] Firebird 3, time to rename conflict names ?

2012-11-17 Thread Lester Caine
Mark Rotteveel wrote: > On 17-11-2012 09:47, marius adrian popa wrote: >> >Redirects and FAQs can be refreshed , Memory can be refreshed >> >Documentation can be updated , we can't live in the ib 1.0 - 4.0 era forever >> >symlinks can be created at install times for oldtimers >> > >> >Times changed

Re: [Firebird-devel] Firebird 3, time to rename conflict names ?

2012-11-17 Thread Dimitry Sibiryakov
17.11.2012 10:54, Philippe Makowski wrote: > fbsql conflict with others products Not quite so. These other products have file extensions. -- WBR, SD. -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from

Re: [Firebird-devel] Firebird 3, time to rename conflict names ?

2012-11-17 Thread Philippe Makowski
Paul Reeves [2012-11-17 09:17] : > On Saturday 17 Nov 2012 09:21:22 marius adrian popa wrote: >> I agree on ubuntu i have isql-fb and is a lot faster to type than isql_fb >> > > I guess it depends on the keyboard layout, too. yes, and we have fb_lock_print, fb_inet_server, fbsvcmgr, fbtracemgr,

[Firebird-devel] /src/msg/msg.gdl in trunk?

2012-11-17 Thread Mark Rotteveel
I was looking at the definition of the msg database used in the build. As far as I can tell msg.gdl has been replaced with msg.sql. Is there a reason it hasn't been deleted? Mark -- Mark Rotteveel -- Monitor your physi

Re: [Firebird-devel] Firebird 3, time to rename conflict names ?

2012-11-17 Thread Philippe Makowski
Dmitry Yemanov [2012-11-17 09:36] : > 16.11.2012 23:38, Leyne, Sean wrote: >> >>> may be Firebird 3 is the good time frame to rename our binaries ? >>> >>> for example : >>> fb_sql, fb_bak, fb_sec, fb_fix, fb_stat, fb_nbackup, fb_qli, fb_pre, >>> fb_split, >>> fb_qli > > Basically, I agree with

Re: [Firebird-devel] Firebird 3, time to rename conflict names ?

2012-11-17 Thread Mark Rotteveel
On 17-11-2012 09:47, marius adrian popa wrote: > Redirects and FAQs can be refreshed , Memory can be refreshed > Documentation can be updated , we can't live in the ib 1.0 - 4.0 era forever > symlinks can be created at install times for oldtimers > > Times changed from the Vax years and people requ

Re: [Firebird-devel] Firebird 3, time to rename conflict names ?

2012-11-17 Thread marius adrian popa
Redirects and FAQs can be refreshed , Memory can be refreshed Documentation can be updated , we can't live in the ib 1.0 - 4.0 era forever symlinks can be created at install times for oldtimers Times changed from the Vax years and people request up to date documentation and majority use a gui usua

Re: [Firebird-devel] Firebird 3, time to rename conflict names ?

2012-11-17 Thread Dmitry Yemanov
16.11.2012 23:38, Leyne, Sean wrote: > >> may be Firebird 3 is the good time frame to rename our binaries ? >> >> for example : >> fb_sql, fb_bak, fb_sec, fb_fix, fb_stat, fb_nbackup, fb_qli, fb_pre, >> fb_split, >> fb_qli Basically, I agree with a new (and consistent) prefix. Personally, I'd ra

Re: [Firebird-devel] Firebird 3, time to rename conflict names ?

2012-11-17 Thread Mark Rotteveel
On 16-11-2012 20:23, Philippe Makowski wrote: > Hi all, > > we have some binaries that have conflict name with other products : > isql (UNIX-ODBC) and gstat (Ganglia) > > may be Firebird 3 is the good time frame to rename our binaries ? > > for example : > fb_sql, fb_bak, fb_sec, fb_fix, fb_stat, f

Re: [Firebird-devel] Firebird 3, time to rename conflict names ?

2012-11-17 Thread Mark Rotteveel
On 17-11-2012 00:34, Adriano dos Santos Fernandes wrote: > Why do use underlines when fb alone is a good prefix (that don't mess > with the next word)? Agreed. A prefix is fine, but I don't think it needs a separator. If we do want a separator, I have to say that I don't like an underline as a s

Re: [Firebird-devel] Firebird 3, time to rename conflict names ?

2012-11-17 Thread Paul Reeves
On Saturday 17 Nov 2012 09:21:22 marius adrian popa wrote: > I agree on ubuntu i have isql-fb and is a lot faster to type than isql_fb > I guess it depends on the keyboard layout, too. Most important is to have a common and consistent prefix, I think. Especially in environments with tabbed com