Re: [Fis] Information as form conveyed by data--Jamie Rose

2011-10-11 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Thanks, Jamie, for the great posting; you raise several fundamental points, particularly for my taste when talking about maths and calculus as manipulators and processors of information. My contention is that we extrovert our open-ended conceptual mechanisms for the performance of a new type

Re: [Fis] Information as form conveyed by data--Jamie Rose

2011-10-10 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
(message from Jamie Rose) -- The difference that makes a difference puts the situation into a larger context that includes the observing system / encountering system. This is irrespective of the sentience or cybernetic

Re: [Fis] Information as form conveyed by data

2011-10-07 Thread Gavin Ritz
This (b) model can be used to describe a range of activity from Shannon type communication to biological (DNA) activity, DNA and information have nothing to do with each other. but I am not sure it can be applied to chemical activity. That's what DNA is a molecule. To my un-informed way

Re: [Fis] Information as form conveyed by data

2011-10-07 Thread karl javorszky
On Form Conveyed By Data Among the terms in the question form conveyed by data the term data is the least ambiguous. We will doubtlessly agree that 1,2,3,... are data Whether a sequence 123456...16 is in a different form to a sequence e.g. 42315...11 is a subject of semantics. We know that

Re: [Fis] Information as form conveyed by data

2011-10-06 Thread Robin Faichney
Title: Re: [Fis] Information as form conveyed by data Thursday, October 6, 2011, 7:24:09 AM, Loet wrote: Ă˜There are two ways we can use the idea "in-form". Yes, this is the other notion of information. Shannon-type information does not inform, but is counter-intuitive

Re: [Fis] Information as form conveyed by data

2011-10-05 Thread Dick Stoute
Thanks to all respondents - Gyorgy Darvas is more along the lines I was thinking. There are two ways we can use the idea in-form. (a) A cannon ball can inform a wall - the energy and the signal are both delivered by the ball. Similarly an artist can in-form clay to create a work of art. In this

[Fis] Information as form conveyed by data

2011-10-04 Thread Dick Stoute
This is my first post to this list - so my apologies if I get it wrong. I am looking for arguments for/against the concept of information as form conveyed by data. Any references/ideas would be appreciated. Dick ___ fis mailing list