Re: [Fis] Tactilizing processing. Resonance

2010-11-01 Thread Joseph Brenner
@listas.unizar.es Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fis] Tactilizing processing Quoting Stanley N Salthe ssal...@binghamton.edu: Bob -- I think that 'coupling over such a disparity in scale' is not really going on differently in biology either. The only messages that could

Re: [Fis] Tactilizing processing. Resonance

2010-11-01 Thread John Collier
u...@umces.edu To: Stanley N Salthe ssal...@binghamton.edu Cc: fis@listas.unizar.es Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fis] Tactilizing processing Quoting Stanley N Salthe ssal...@binghamton.edu: Bob -- I think that 'coupling over such a disparity in scale' is not really

Re: [Fis] Tactilizing processing

2010-11-01 Thread John Collier
At 09:13 AM 01/11/2010, Loet Leydesdorff wrote: Dear colleagues, It seems to me that we have a more elaborated apparatus for discussing the distances of a perturbation across a number of interfaces. Two information processing systems can be considered as structurally coupled when the one cannot

Re: [Fis] Tactilizing processing

2010-11-01 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear colleagues, It seems to me that mechanism other than synchronization in the physical domain can be specified -- which one could metaphorically also call synchronization. For example, in interhuman communication codification enables us to globalize the communication. Best wishes, Loet On

Re: [Fis] Tactilizing processing

2010-11-01 Thread Guy A Hoelzer
Hi All, I appreciate this topic and discussion. I find myself in strong agreement with the basic point made by Stan and Bob. Not all fluctuations penetrate upwardly across levels of functional organization. Structural resonance in the organization at some level makes it sensitive to certain

Re: [Fis] Tactilizing processing

2010-10-31 Thread Robert Ulanowicz
Quoting Stanley N Salthe ssal...@binghamton.edu: Bob -- I think that 'coupling over such a disparity in scale' is not really going on differently in biology either. The only messages that could 'percolate upwards' in a material system would be those the higher level(s) are prepared to

Re: [Fis] Tactilizing processing

2010-10-30 Thread Stanley N Salthe
Bob -- On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Robert Ulanowicz u...@umces.edu wrote Subject: Re: [Fis] Tactilizing processing To: Stanley N Salthe ssal...@binghamton.edu Cc: u...@cbl.umces.edu Quoting Stanley N Salthe ssal...@binghamton.edu: I suggested that a single small scale

[Fis] Tactilizing processing (from Stan)

2010-10-29 Thread Jorge Navarro López
Stan said: Folks -- As one who has been puzzling about the "relations between the microworld and the macroworld" for some time, and who is in the middle of studying Conrad's 1996 paper on fluctuons, I am wondering, and would ask Jorge, if it is not case that macro - micro communication is one

[Fis] Tactilizing processing

2010-10-29 Thread Jorge Navarro López
Dear Stan Joseph, Many thanks for your responses and for your interest in my naive comments. My interpretation of M. Conrad views in that wonderful abstract is that most molecular recognition events are per se isolated or followed by some very specific pathway. Then in many cases an

Re: [Fis] Tactilizing processing

2010-10-29 Thread Stanley N Salthe
Jorge -- Then, it is hard to get away from the model where, in 'downward causation', large scale signals impact simultaneously many small scale processes, while in upward causation, small scale signals need to accumulate into some kind of ensemble message. But Conrad 'fluctuons' seem to be trying

[Fis] Tactilizing processing

2010-10-28 Thread Jorge Navarro López
Dear FIS people, As a new comer to Systems Biology and graduated in Chemical Engineering, I can say little (and understand only a little bit) about the fluctuon model. May I say that personally I find far more interesting the pioneering ideas of M. Conrad on molecular bio-computing, which