Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread Gavin Ritz
Hi there Stan SS: Info theory presumably applies to everything and anything. GR: It was never intended to apply to anything but communication instruments. That is sending English language down a pipe. GR: In my opinion it still only does, I cant get my head around how say information

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread Gavin Ritz
Karl I cant fault your thinking, ( with some very important things you mention) but your comment about Shannon's view doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, fire- or not fire is just one logical connective form. Just One aspect of proposition logic connective. Imperative Logic which is

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread Gavin Ritz
Hi there Loet If the information exchange is provided with meaning, then this is probably just a qualitative aspect of entropy production. However this is not Information Theory. The Relation between energy and information theory is 0.693kT (k is the Boltzmann constant and T is the temp in

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread John Collier
At 02:05 PM 1/24/2011, Loet Leydesdorff wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_00C9_01CBBBC7.684CC9E0 Content-Language: en-us Dear colleagues, It seems to me that the relation between information and energy provides the special case that the entropy is

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread Robert Ulanowicz
Dear Gavin, With all due respect, I would like to strongly disagree. I believe the communications format is an historical artifact that were best put aside. It unnecessarily constrains the application of information theory for many useful purposes. Most especially, the calculus that is

[Fis] Foundational Views of Shannon Information Theory

2011-01-24 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: My responses to recent posts by Karl, Stan, Joe, Loet, Gavin, John, and Bob by the number of the digest that I rec’d. I seek to address several basic issues. First, I would repeat my assertion from my post of Jan. 20, 2010, along with Karl’s denial and my comments about his denials: