Re: [Fis] [Fwd: Re: FW: Meaning Information Theory] ---From Gavin

2011-10-24 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Gavin, The notion of meaningful information is associated with negentropy. It can only be information within a system (e.g., an observer) which/who provides the information with meaning. You can also consider it as observed information; different from Shannon's information which remains e

Re: [Fis] Meaning Information Theory ---From Gavin

2011-10-24 Thread Guy A Hoelzer
Hi Gavin, I am having trouble following your implicit argument about "meaning information theory". I do understand your complaint about "evidence, tests, corroboration and corresponding logic and mathematics", although I'm not sure I agree that things are so bleak. The 'implicit' part I detec

[Fis] Meaning Information Theory ---From Gavin

2011-10-24 Thread Gavin Ritz
Hi there Christophe Thank you for your papers I have had a look through them to identify the propositions and arguments. And I guess this is what my contention is none of this is based on any evidence, tests, corroboration and corresponding logic and mathematics. It does not look like we a

[Fis] FW: [Fwd: Re: FW: Meaning Information Theory] ---From Gavin

2011-10-24 Thread Christophe Menant
Dear Gavin, As you find some interest for a "Theory of Meaningful Information", it may be pertinent to recall a systemic approach to meaning generation: When a system submitted to a constraint (stay alive, avoid obstacle, ...) receives from its environment an information that has a connectio

Re: [Fis] [Fwd: Re: FW: Meaning Information Theory] ---From Gavin

2011-10-24 Thread Robin Faichney
Title: Re: [Fis] [Fwd: Re: FW: Meaning Information Theory] ---From Gavin Although I accept neither the title ("Meaning Information Theory") nor Gavin's description of the content, he tells me that my ideas, among others, are what he's referring to below, so in case anyone's interested, my website

[Fis] [Fwd: Re: FW: Meaning Information Theory] ---From Gavin

2011-10-24 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Message from Gavin Ritz On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Gavin Ritz > wrote: Stan, John list members I have had a number of off list email dialogue with list members, from this list and ot