Re: [Fis] It from Bit redux . . .

2015-06-14 Thread Steven Ericsson-Zenith
Trust me. You are in good company. Steven > On Jun 14, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Marcus Abundis <55m...@gmail.com> wrote: > > From Loet's post: > >During the recent conference in Vienna, I was amazed how many of our > >colleagues wish to ground information in physics.< > I would say that I was disap

Re: [Fis] It from Bit redux . . .

2015-06-14 Thread Jeremy Sherman
Amen. On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Marcus Abundis <55m...@gmail.com> wrote: > From Loet's post: > >During the recent conference in Vienna, I was amazed how many of our > colleagues wish to ground information in physics.< > I would say that I was disappointed . . . > > For me this exchange on

[Fis] It from Bit redux . . .

2015-06-14 Thread Marcus Abundis
>From Loet's post: >During the recent conference in Vienna, I was amazed how many of our colleagues wish to ground information in physics.< I would say that I was disappointed . . . For me this exchange on It from Bit is problematic as its seems to simply revisit the same problem introduced with S

Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!

2015-06-14 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
I would add another possibility -- information does not appear in the universe until it is manipulated by modern human society as a commodity. Yes, Stan, this makes sense to me: information (in bits) can be considered as a measurement of the expected uncertainty. It is yet meaning-free, but i

Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!

2015-06-14 Thread Stanley N Salthe
Krassimir -- Thanks. Now I see what your objection is. You do not agree with the Wheeler concept that information was he basis upon which everything else was founded. Rather, you see it as appearing along with matter. Or you might consider that it appeared 'along with form', in which case informat