Re: [Fis] Curious chronicle
Dear FISers, Looking for an informational explanation of soccer, or other sports, as was asking Joseph, one can look at the internal side of the event. Then, as Jorge and Bob have done, one can discuss about the panorama of networking relationships or the ascendancy of the different elements. While agreeing with the interest of these approaches, one can also look towards the outside and ask about the social importance attributed to such type of spectacles. It is interesting that today a lot of economic activities, like sports, may be ascribed to ephemeral information production --think of entertainment, news, fashions, e-networks, communications, tourism, etc. Maybe this is the fastest growing segment, even in spite of the global crisis. Why the increasing predominance of panem et circenses? An speculative point may be that complex societies are caught into a information paradox. The higher they grow in their aggregate complexity the lower the structure of basic social relations (and interesting information) around the individual. According to Dunbar's social brain hypothesis, these complex societies deviate progressively from the evolutionary networking structure of our species. Thus info surrogates of whatever type are more and more necessary for the individual and for the society as a whole, although probably they are working worse and worse. If this is so, it makes sense that in the information era depression has become the first incapacitating pathology (above flu). Unfortunately, the victory at the world championship has been so ephemeral! best wishes Pedro PS. As a question to Karl: in what extent are directed graphs (or generic networks) equivalent to multidimensional partitions? Would it make sense the description of ascendancy in terms of partitions? Robert Ulanowicz escribió: Dear Jorge and Fis members: The method is intriguing, but rather ad-hoc. I and colleagues in marine science have directly used information-theoretic indexes to evaluate the dynamically most important nodes and links in a quantified network. I'm convinced it could be applied as well to players on a team: Ulanowicz, R.E. and D. Baird. 1999. Nutrient controls on ecosystem dynamics: The Chesapeake mesohaline community. J. Mar. Sys. 19:159-172 The best, Bob Ulanowicz - Robert E. Ulanowicz| Tel: +1-352-378-7355 Arthur R. Marshall Laboratory | FAX: +1-352-392-3704 Department of Biology | Emeritus, Chesapeake Biol. Lab Bartram Hall 110 | University of Maryland University of Florida | Email u...@cbl.umces.edu Gainesville, FL 32611-8525 USA | Web http://www.cbl.umces.edu/~ulan -- Quoting Jorge Navarro López jnavarro.i...@aragon.es: Dear FIS collegaes, Hi! This is my first posting in the list. My name is Jorge Navarro and I am working with Pedro on Systems Biology and Network Science. Following with Joseph proposal I have found an interesting paper about a satisfactory theory of information applicable to teamwork sports: *Quantifying the Performance of Individual Players in a Team Activity* http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0010937 I think that formally one can say a lot about what teamship activities become interesting and exciting to watch, and what other activities are dull and boring. I was playing soccer myself until a few years ago (forward), like Villa :-), and I am very interested in the informational side of sports, soccer of course. VIVA ESPAÑA!!! Kind Regards Jorge -- ___ fis mailing list fis@listas.unizar.es https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis -- - Pedro C. Marijuán Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud Avda. Gómez Laguna, 25, Pl. 11ª 50009 Zaragoza, Spain Telf: 34 976 71 3526 ( 6818) Fax: 34 976 71 5554 pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/ - ___ fis mailing list fis@listas.unizar.es https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] Curious chronicle
Dear Pedro and all, in an article selected by the Sueddeutsche Zeitung of The New York Times of today (July 19) with the title The Mediuim matters (by David Brook) there is a discussion on Nicholas Carr's book The Shalows where he argues that theInternet is leading to a short-attention-span culture. This is apparently the old discussion internet vs. book culture but in fact the author points to an essay by Joseph Epstein in which he (Epstein) distinguishes between beeing well informed, being hip and being cultivated. The Internet culture is an egalitarian culture, appropriate for being well informed and being hip (or up to date) , while when you enter the world of books you are confronted with the greater minds and respecting the authority of the teacher. The Internet culture may produce better conversationalists, but the literary culture still produces better students. The challenge being how to guild an Internet counterculture that will better attracht people to serious learning. We live in the culture of the spectacle (Guy Debord) which is egalitarian but what we see is the product of a highly hierarchical structure of the best. The challenge is the how to build a counterculture within the egalitarian information society that attract people not only to serious learnig but also to high level practices in other fields such as sport, music etc. This group is an example of such a counterculture within the egalitarian internet. By the way, the Latin word informatio had originally the meaning of culture or (German) Bildung also in the humanistic sense. Cicero writes in Pro Archia (Ch.3) : Nam, ut primum ex pueris excessit Archias atque ab iis artibus, quibus aetas puerilis ad humanitatem informari solet, se ad scribendi studium contulit, primum Antiochiae (...) For when first Archias grew out of childhood, and out of the studies of those arts by which young boys are gradually trained and refined, he devoted himself to the study of writing. First of all at Antioch (...) which was the center of knowledge of the whole region. And this is the text on the Internet http://www.uah.edu/student_life/organizations/SAL/texts/latin/classical/cicero/proarchia1e.html quod erat demonstrandum best Rafael Dear FISers, Looking for an informational explanation of soccer, or other sports, as was asking Joseph, one can look at the internal side of the event. Then, as Jorge and Bob have done, one can discuss about the panorama of networking relationships or the ascendancy of the different elements. While agreeing with the interest of these approaches, one can also look towards the outside and ask about the social importance attributed to such type of spectacles. It is interesting that today a lot of economic activities, like sports, may be ascribed to ephemeral information production --think of entertainment, news, fashions, e-networks, communications, tourism, etc. Maybe this is the fastest growing segment, even in spite of the global crisis. Why the increasing predominance of panem et circenses? An speculative point may be that complex societies are caught into a information paradox. The higher they grow in their aggregate complexity the lower the structure of basic social relations (and interesting information) around the individual. According to Dunbar's social brain hypothesis, these complex societies deviate progressively from the evolutionary networking structure of our species. Thus info surrogates of whatever type are more and more necessary for the individual and for the society as a whole, although probably they are working worse and worse. If this is so, it makes sense that in the information era depression has become the first incapacitating pathology (above flu). Unfortunately, the victory at the world championship has been so ephemeral! best wishes Pedro PS. As a question to Karl: in what extent are directed graphs (or generic networks) equivalent to multidimensional partitions? Would it make sense the description of ascendancy in terms of partitions? Robert Ulanowicz escribió: Dear Jorge and Fis members: The method is intriguing, but rather ad-hoc. I and colleagues in marine science have directly used information-theoretic indexes to evaluate the dynamically most important nodes and links in a quantified network. I'm convinced it could be applied as well to players on a team: Ulanowicz, R.E. and D. Baird. 1999. Nutrient controls on ecosystem dynamics: The Chesapeake mesohaline community. J. Mar. Sys. 19:159-172 The best, Bob Ulanowicz - Robert E. Ulanowicz| Tel: +1-352-378-7355 Arthur R. Marshall Laboratory | FAX: +1-352-392-3704 Department of Biology | Emeritus, Chesapeake Biol. Lab Bartram Hall 110 | University of Maryland
Re: [Fis] Curious chronicle
Has anyone suggested the function of contact sports to be the 'moral equivalent' of war. Many young men requires this kind of excitement because of their hormone mix. STAN On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es wrote: Dear FISers, Looking for an informational explanation of soccer, or other sports, as was asking Joseph, one can look at the internal side of the event. Then, as Jorge and Bob have done, one can discuss about the panorama of networking relationships or the ascendancy of the different elements. While agreeing with the interest of these approaches, one can also look towards the outside and ask about the social importance attributed to such type of spectacles. It is interesting that today a lot of economic activities, like sports, may be ascribed to ephemeral information production --think of entertainment, news, fashions, e-networks, communications, tourism, etc. Maybe this is the fastest growing segment, even in spite of the global crisis. Why the increasing predominance of panem et circenses? An speculative point may be that complex societies are caught into a information paradox. The higher they grow in their aggregate complexity the lower the structure of basic social relations (and interesting information) around the individual. According to Dunbar's social brain hypothesis, these complex societies deviate progressively from the evolutionary networking structure of our species. Thus info surrogates of whatever type are more and more necessary for the individual and for the society as a whole, although probably they are working worse and worse. If this is so, it makes sense that in the information era depression has become the first incapacitating pathology (above flu). Unfortunately, the victory at the world championship has been so ephemeral! best wishes Pedro PS. As a question to Karl: in what extent are directed graphs (or generic networks) equivalent to multidimensional partitions? Would it make sense the description of ascendancy in terms of partitions? Robert Ulanowicz escribió: Dear Jorge and Fis members: The method is intriguing, but rather ad-hoc. I and colleagues in marine science have directly used information-theoretic indexes to evaluate the dynamically most important nodes and links in a quantified network. I'm convinced it could be applied as well to players on a team: Ulanowicz, R.E. and D. Baird. 1999. Nutrient controls on ecosystem dynamics: The Chesapeake mesohaline community. J. Mar. Sys. 19:159-172 The best, Bob Ulanowicz - Robert E. Ulanowicz| Tel: +1-352-378-7355 Arthur R. Marshall Laboratory | FAX: +1-352-392-3704 Department of Biology | Emeritus, Chesapeake Biol. Lab Bartram Hall 110 | University of Maryland University of Florida | Email u...@cbl.umces.edu u...@cbl.umces.edu Gainesville, FL 32611-8525 USA | Web http://www.cbl.umces.edu/~ulan http://www.cbl.umces.edu/~ulan -- Quoting Jorge Navarro López jnavarro.i...@aragon.es jnavarro.i...@aragon.es: Dear FIS collegaes, Hi! This is my first posting in the list. My name is Jorge Navarro and I am working with Pedro on Systems Biology and Network Science. Following with Joseph proposal I have found an interesting paper about a satisfactory theory of information applicable to teamwork sports: *Quantifying the Performance of Individual Players in a Team Activity* http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0010937 I think that formally one can say a lot about what teamship activities become interesting and exciting to watch, and what other activities are dull and boring. I was playing soccer myself until a few years ago (forward), like Villa :-), and I am very interested in the informational side of sports, soccer of course. VIVA ESPAÑA!!! Kind Regards Jorge -- ___ fis mailing list...@listas.unizar.eshttps://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis -- - Pedro C. Marijuán Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud Avda. Gómez Laguna, 25, Pl. 11ª 50009 Zaragoza, Spain Telf: 34 976 71 3526 ( 6818) Fax: 34 976 71 5554pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.eshttp://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/ - ___ fis mailing list fis@listas.unizar.es https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis ___ fis mailing list fis@listas.unizar.es https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] Curious chronicle
Stanley -I have often had this thought. Better to compete on the football pitch than the battlefield. The term hero is used for those that excel in either form of battle. Bob __ Robert K. Logan Chief Scientist - sLab at OCAD Prof. Emeritus - Physics - U. of Toronto www.physics.utoronto.ca/Members/logan On 19-Jul-10, at 2:12 PM, Stanley N Salthe wrote: Has anyone suggested the function of contact sports to be the 'moral equivalent' of war. Many young men requires this kind of excitement because of their hormone mix. STAN On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es wrote: Dear FISers, Looking for an informational explanation of soccer, or other sports, as was asking Joseph, one can look at the internal side of the event. Then, as Jorge and Bob have done, one can discuss about the panorama of networking relationships or the ascendancy of the different elements. While agreeing with the interest of these approaches, one can also look towards the outside and ask about the social importance attributed to such type of spectacles. It is interesting that today a lot of economic activities, like sports, may be ascribed to ephemeral information production --think of entertainment, news, fashions, e-networks, communications, tourism, etc. Maybe this is the fastest growing segment, even in spite of the global crisis. Why the increasing predominance of panem et circenses? An speculative point may be that complex societies are caught into a information paradox. The higher they grow in their aggregate complexity the lower the structure of basic social relations (and interesting information) around the individual. According to Dunbar's social brain hypothesis, these complex societies deviate progressively from the evolutionary networking structure of our species. Thus info surrogates of whatever type are more and more necessary for the individual and for the society as a whole, although probably they are working worse and worse. If this is so, it makes sense that in the information era depression has become the first incapacitating pathology (above flu). Unfortunately, the victory at the world championship has been so ephemeral! best wishes Pedro PS. As a question to Karl: in what extent are directed graphs (or generic networks) equivalent to multidimensional partitions? Would it make sense the description of ascendancy in terms of partitions? Robert Ulanowicz escribió: Dear Jorge and Fis members: The method is intriguing, but rather ad-hoc. I and colleagues in marine science have directly used information-theoretic indexes to evaluate the dynamically most important nodes and links in a quantified network. I'm convinced it could be applied as well to players on a team: Ulanowicz, R.E. and D. Baird. 1999. Nutrient controls on ecosystem dynamics: The Chesapeake mesohaline community. J. Mar. Sys. 19:159-172 The best, Bob Ulanowicz - Robert E. Ulanowicz| Tel: +1-352-378-7355 Arthur R. Marshall Laboratory | FAX: +1-352-392-3704 Department of Biology | Emeritus, Chesapeake Biol. Lab Bartram Hall 110 | University of Maryland University of Florida | Email u...@cbl.umces.edu Gainesville, FL 32611-8525 USA | Web http:// www.cbl.umces.edu/~ulan - - Quoting Jorge Navarro López jnavarro.i...@aragon.es: Dear FIS collegaes, Hi! This is my first posting in the list. My name is Jorge Navarro and I am working with Pedro on Systems Biology and Network Science. Following with Joseph proposal I have found an interesting paper about a satisfactory theory of information applicable to teamwork sports: *Quantifying the Performance of Individual Players in a Team Activity* http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0010937 I think that formally one can say a lot about what teamship activities become interesting and exciting to watch, and what other activities are dull and boring. I was playing soccer myself until a few years ago (forward), like Villa :-), and I am very interested in the informational side of sports, soccer of course. VIVA ESPAÑA!!! Kind Regards Jorge -- ___ fis mailing list fis@listas.unizar.es https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis -- - Pedro C. Marijuán Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud Avda. Gómez Laguna, 25, Pl. 11ª 50009 Zaragoza, Spain Telf: 34 976 71 3526 ( 6818) Fax: 34 976 71 5554 pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/ -
