Re: [Fis] The Communication Man

2013-12-02 Thread John Collier
Shannon noted the equivalence of information and constraints in his original work. Interestingly, in Barwise and Seligman, Information Flow, particulars and classes are duals of each other, which has the same effect. John From: fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es]

Re: [Fis] The Communication Man

2013-12-02 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Bob, Thank you so much for this paper (that I had seen before). I agree with many of the things written here, but my intellectual orientation is another one, namely one that does not consider biology, philosophy of biology, or the definition of life as a fruitful starting point for the an

Re: [Fis] The Communication Man

2013-12-02 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
> The purport of metabolism is change, not only burning carbon-hydrogen bonds. But perhaps we might all prefer "communicating is life; life is communicating". Dear Joseph, In my opinion, communicating exhibits a dynamics very different from living. For example, you have the freedom to write "co

Re: [Fis] The Communication Man

2013-12-02 Thread Roly Belfer
Dear Joseph I tried saying something like that in a conference and was confronted with someone who made it clear I have been scooped by the scientologists.. I was dissapointed and would love to reclaim it! Best Roly On M

Re: [Fis] The Communication Man

2013-12-02 Thread Joseph Brenner
Dear FISers, There is here an important idea which I think is worth a note. The two elements (I say) are in a dynamic relation and a logical relation, as the mind moves between them. Alternately one or the other is predominant (more actualized) Lupasco said: "experience is logic; logic is expe

Re: [Fis] The Communication Man

2013-12-02 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Thanks. Loet. You might be interested in "semantic metabolism", coined by late Tom Stonier and published in this list too, long ago. The intertwining of our metabolic necessities and the communicational ones is amazing---our language picks it in countless expressions: dis-gust, bitterness, un-sw