Re: [Fis] Fis: 25/7

[Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov]

Dear Alex and FIS,

what I can only say as (now) qualified non-expert in QT is that points 1-13
embrace a period in scientific research of really great minds (I did not
see Feynman”s name in the list, but he is certainly meant under “others") a
little bit more than 100 years. Please excuse my doubts, but I simply
cannot start believing that human knowledge will stay at that level for
ever. Some day there will be certainly another revolution in physics and/or
biology or even another discipline that could embrace the 13 domains as
special cases. I cannot understand why (quantum) physicists are sometimes
so egocentric like monks with their domain that they try to explain even
the behaviour of viruses with quantum interactions. I apologise for hurting
someone’s feelings.

Plamen


On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 2:39 AM, Alex Hankey  wrote:

> RE: I am not sure that QT is the ultimate theory of all things, but I think
> the effort is worth doing it, since we hardly have anything else to step on
> now.I invite all those interested in this endeavor to join hands!
>
> ME: Speaking as a theoretical physicist with 45 years experience and deep
> interests in the foundations of physics and the origins of quantum theory,
> I should like to comment that to really understand quantum theory so as to
> see how to patch up its faults is not easy, and requires many years study
> in many different subfields.
>
> It requires deep knowledge and understanding of all of the following
> subfields;
> 1. The Copenhagen interpretation as fully expressed by Henry Stapp.
> 2. John Von Neumann's formulation, together with its limitations.
> 3. The Many Worlds (Princeton) interpretation as most recently promoted by
> Tegmark.
> 4. Einstein's objections as expressed  in the EPR paradox, and
> 5. David Bohm's program of hidden variables to support Einstein, and
> 6. Bell's Theorem to experimentally distinguish Bohr;s and Bohm's
> approaches.
> 7. Aspect's experiments (and Clauser's preceding it) showing that Bohr was
> right.
> 8. Bernard D'Espagnat's important contributions, especially the Theorem
> for which he received the Templeton prize - physical reality is not
> 'strongly objective' on either macroscopic or microscopic levels.
> 9. All the debate initiated by Gell-Man and others on how wave-functions
> collapse. and what happens to quantum correlations that are generated.
> 10. David Deutsch's theory of quantum information.
> 11. Anton Zeilinger's use of quantum fluctuations for 'quantum
> teleportation'
> 12. The quantum theory of open systems by ECG (George) Sudarshan and
> others, the inherent limitations of their approach and its possible
> resolution.
> 13. The debates on the relationship between quantum theory and classical
> physics, the shortcomings of Bohr's Correspondence Principle and how to
> overcome them.
>
> I should hate to say that this is a field for specialists, because I truly
> believe that non-experts can often cut through the Gordian knot in the
> middle of a field, simply because they have not adopted the world view of
> the experts in following the debates for decades up to that point, and are
> therefore not indoctrinated with a paradigm that in fact needs updating -
> often not obvious to those in the field itself.
>
> But like most advanced scientific fields there is a lot to digest!
> (And my own views are radical, and almost as violent as the
> victor's approach to the Gordian Knot itself!)
>
> --
> Alex Hankey M.A. (Cantab.) PhD (M.I.T.)
> Distinguished Professor of Yoga and Physical Science,
> SVYASA, Eknath Bhavan, 19 Gavipuram Circle
> Bangalore 560019, Karnataka, India
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[Fis] Fis 25 / 9

[Alex Hankey]

RE: The organization of bodies of knowledge in the sciences takes place at
another level than the integration of cognition in the body of an
individual. One cannot reduce the one level to the other, in my opinion.
Which research program of these two has priority? How do they relate ?
potentially differently ? to information?

ME: My Cambridge colleague, Madan Thangavelu, holds that the structure of
knowledge in both human brains (and human organizations), and in' bodies of
knowledge' in the sciences, is fractal.

It is certainly true that the structure of creative ideas and new projects
emerging from individuals and corporations has a fractal kind of
distribution, and as a consequence, has to be assessed using a Herfyndahl
index rather that the mean and standard deviation of a normal distribution,
or their analogues for experimentally encountered non-normal data
distributions. (Better the square root of the Herfyndaho index, since this
can be additive when combining distributions.)

-- 
Alex Hankey M.A. (Cantab.) PhD (M.I.T.)
Distinguished Professor of Yoga and Physical Science,
SVYASA, Eknath Bhavan, 19 Gavipuram Circle
Bangalore 560019, Karnataka, India
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[Fis] Ulanowicz

[Alex Hankey]

RE: How can a concept of information help us to
think in tune with nature, rather than against it?"

ME: Possibly by being the kind of information that
we ourselves use, and can use to communicate
with directly to other minds, as my presentation
will show for both humans and animals.

It also appears to be the kind of information used
in 'intuition' and may therefore be more widely
considered some kind of 'language of nature'.

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Alex Hankey M.A. (Cantab.) PhD (M.I.T.)
Distinguished Professor of Yoga and Physical Science,
SVYASA, Eknath Bhavan, 19 Gavipuram Circle
Bangalore 560019, Karnataka, India
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