Re: [Fis] Shannonian Mechanics?

2016-06-29 Thread Hector Zenil
I think complaining about Shannon entropy as a measure of information is completely justified because it is steam-engine physics unfortunately still widely used despite its many flaws and limitations. But to think that Shannon entropy is at the front-end in the mathematical discussion of

Re: [Fis] Shannonian Mechanics?

2016-06-29 Thread joe.brenner
Dear Loet,  The way you have asked it, I think the answer to your question is known: both order and disorder are universals, linked  dialectically. Never one without the other, as for symmetry and asymmetry, except in trivially simple cases. Cheers,  Joseph Sent from Samsung Mobile.

Re: [Fis] Shannonian Mechanics?

2016-06-29 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Pedro and colleagues, The figure from Weaver in Loet's excellent posting leaves a few aspects outside. The why, the what, the how long, the with whom, and other aspects of the information phenomenon do not enter. By doing that we have streamlined the phenomenon... and have left it ready

[Fis] Reply 2 to Michel (A Priori Modeling)

2016-06-29 Thread Marcus Abundis
In an offline exchange, Michel asks some questions (on my reply to Annette), summarized below. === > Your "material variation" seems identical to "spatial < > structure" which is classically used in informational < > ecology. Why not ? < • “Why not?“ what? I am unsure of what you are asking. In

[Fis] Shannonian Mechanics?

2016-06-29 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear Marcus, Loet, Bob... and All, Again very briefly, your exchanges make clear the limits of the received Shannonian approach and the (narrow?) corridors left for advancement. I find this situation highly reminiscent of what happened with Mechanics long ago: an excellent theory (but of