[Fis] TR: Principles of IS

2017-09-29 Thread Christophe Menant
Dear FISers, A hot discussion indeed... We can all agree that perspectives on information depend on the context. Physics, mathematics, thermodynamics, biology, psychology, philosophy, AI, ... But these many contexts have a common backbone: They are part of the evolution of our universe and of

Re: [Fis] Principles of IS

2017-09-29 Thread Michel Godron
Dear Pedro, " Rafael and  Michel are talking more about principles as general concepts". It is not exactly  what I meant, because the general principles (for example the principle of identity or the principle of non-contradiction)  are not exactly  "concepts". Yet I agree with "the connectio

Re: [Fis] Principles of IS

2017-09-29 Thread Karl Javorszky
Dear FIS, coming back to the subject of *Mendel and garden peas*, let me present to you some results of my research into basic rules – that appear to govern Nature – that can be observed on experiments with abstract objects (as pointed out in my last post, in our scientific progress we do not ne

Re: [Fis] Principles of IS

2017-09-29 Thread tozziarturo
Dear FISers, Hi! ...a very hot discussion... I think that it is not useful to talk about Aristotle, Plato and Ortega y Gasset, it the modern context of information... their phylosophical, not scientific approach, although marvelous, does not provide insights in a purely scientific issue such th

Re: [Fis] Principles of IS

2017-09-29 Thread Rafael Capurro
Dear Pedro, thanks for food for thought. When talking about communication we should not forget that Wiener defines cybernetics as "the theory of messages" (not: as the theory of information) (Human use of human beings, London 1989, p. 15, p. 77 "cybernetics, or the theory of messages" et passi

Re: [Fis] Principles of IS

2017-09-29 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers, I also agree with Ji and John Torday about the tight relationship between information and communication. Actually Principle 5 was stating : "Communication/information exchanges among adaptive life-cycles underlie the complexity of biological organizations at all scales." However,