Re: [Fis] Meta-observer?

[Loet Leydesdorff]

Dear Pedro, Koichiro, and colleagues,

At the level of observers, indeed, a hierarchy may be involved for the 
change of focus (although this is empirical  and not necessarily the 
case). The communication, however, as a system different from the 
communicators may contain mechanisms such as "translation" which make it 
possible to redirect.


Best,
Loet


Loet Leydesdorff

Professor emeritus, University of Amsterdam
Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR)

l...@leydesdorff.net ; 
http://www.leydesdorff.net/
Associate Faculty, SPRU, University of 
Sussex;


Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ. , 
Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, ISTIC, 
Beijing;


Visiting Fellow, Birkbeck , University of London;

http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ=en


-- Original Message --
From: "Koichiro Matsuno" 
To: fis@listas.unizar.es
Sent: 3/2/2018 6:41:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Fis] Meta-observer?


On 28 Feb 2018 at 10:34 PM, PedroClemente Marijuan Fernadez wrote:

A sort of "attention" capable of fast and furious displacements of the 
focus...  helas, this means a meta-observer or an observer-in-command.


   Pedro, it is of course one thing to conceive of a hierarchy of 
observers for our own sake, but quite another to figure out what the 
concrete participants such as molecules are doing out there. They are 
doing what would seem appropriate for them to do without minding what 
we are observing. At issue must be how something looking like a chain 
of command could happen to emerge without presuming such a chain in the 
beginning. Prerequisite to its emergence would be the well-being of 
each participant taken care of locally, as a replenishable inevitable. 
That is an issue of the origins of life. The impending agenda is on 
something general universal as an object, and yet concrete particular 
enough in process. The richness resides within the concreteness down to 
the bottom.




   Apropos, the communications among the local participants differ from 
computation despite the seemingly concrete outlook of the latter. 
Computation upon the notion of time as the linear sequence of the now 
points is not available to the local participants because of the lack 
of the physical means for guaranteeing the sharing of the same 
now-point among themselves.




   Koichiro Matsuno






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Re: [Fis] Meta-observer?

[Koichiro Matsuno]

On 28 Feb 2018 at 10:34 PM, PedroClemente Marijuan Fernadez wrote:

A sort of "attention" capable of fast and furious displacements of the focus... 
 helas, this means a meta-observer or an observer-in-command.

   Pedro, it is of course one thing to conceive of a hierarchy of observers for 
our own sake, but quite another to figure out what the concrete participants 
such as molecules are doing out there. They are doing what would seem 
appropriate for them to do without minding what we are observing. At issue must 
be how something looking like a chain of command could happen to emerge without 
presuming such a chain in the beginning. Prerequisite to its emergence would be 
the well-being of each participant taken care of locally, as a replenishable 
inevitable. That is an issue of the origins of life. The impending agenda is on 
something general universal as an object, and yet concrete particular enough in 
process. The richness resides within the concreteness down to the bottom. 

 

   Apropos, the communications among the local participants differ from 
computation despite the seemingly concrete outlook of the latter. Computation 
upon the notion of time as the linear sequence of the now points is not 
available to the local participants because of the lack of the physical means 
for guaranteeing the sharing of the same now-point among themselves.

 

   Koichiro Matsuno

 

 

 

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