Re: [Fis] Is information physical?

2018-04-25 Thread Ulanowicz, Robert
Dear Mark, I share your inclination, albeit from a different perspective. Consider the two statements: 1. Information is impossible without a physical carrier. 2. Information is impossible without the influence of that which does not exist. There is significant truth in both statements. I

Re: [Fis] Is information physical? OR Does the information exist without the carrier?

2018-04-25 Thread Louis H Kauffman
Dear Krassimir and Mark, Let us not forget the intermediate question: How is information independent of the choice of carrier? This is the fruitful question in my opinion, and it avoids the problem of assigning existence to that which is relational. The same problem exists for numbers and other

[Fis] Is Information physical?

2018-04-25 Thread Dick Stoute
Mark Burgin has proposed an interesting topic. Here is how I think of it. We need to know the characteristics of an instrument if we are to correctly interpret its output. In this case our perceptual system is the instrument and information is the output. The science of perception indicates

Re: [Fis] Is information physical?

2018-04-25 Thread Karl Javorszky
The question „Is information physical?” relates to the equivalence between two mental/emotional contents of the brain, and can be compared to “Is A = B ?” at first sight. In the form the question is posed, it is rendered in a more empathic fashion in the form “Does A contain a sufficiently large

Re: [Fis] Is information physical?

2018-04-25 Thread Jose Javier Blanco Rivero
Dear all, Following the ideas of Mark, Lou, Krassimir and Arturo, I think it is worth to insist on a proposal I made in this forum a few months ago. That is, the thesis of a general theory of communication media. (Before going on I would like to remark that the concepts used here do not

Re: [Fis] Is information physical?

2018-04-25 Thread Dai Griffiths
Thanks everyone, all very stimulating! On 25/04/18 03:47, Burgin, Mark wrote: Any reasonable person will tell that the textbook contains knowledge This is a metaphor. It is helpful in managing the complex relationships of humans with media, but will lead us into tangles if we believe that it

Re: [Fis] Is information physical?

2018-04-25 Thread Gyorgy Darvas
Hi all, Information is information. There is no reason to bundle it under any other genus. There are physical information! (Cf., my paper at the Vienna conference, 2015.) ... And there are other (non-physical) information. Other approach: Information follows, in certain aspects, some laws of

[Fis] Is information physical? OR Does the information exist without the carrier?

2018-04-25 Thread Krassimir Markov
Dear Mark and Colleagues, Very nice “simple question”: “Is information physical?” I agree that “letters, electromagnetic waves and actually all physical objects are only carriers of information”. The brain is carrier of information, too. Now, I think, what we need to clear is another

Re: [Fis] Information is physical

2018-04-25 Thread tozziarturo
Dear FISers, information is a measurable physical quantity. Indeed, it has been claimed that the physical world is made up of information itself (Bekenstein 2003), so that our Universe is assessable in pure terms of information. The idea that information is the fundamental physical

Re: [Fis] Is information physical?

2018-04-25 Thread Mark Johnson
Dear Lou and Mark, Thanks for this - it is very important. A quick question: why does it have to one or the other? Does the law of the excluded middle apply to information? Why can't it be both? As a way of extending this, can I suggest that the boundary between the physical and the

Re: [Fis] Is information physical?

2018-04-25 Thread Xueshan Yan
Dear Mark, Thank you for expressing your opinion of "Information Is Not Physical" in concise language. It represents the general view from information science researchers. As far as I know, the view of "Information Is Physical?" only appeared in (natural) science especially in physics. It was