I share your inclination, albeit from a different perspective.
Consider the two statements:
1. Information is impossible without a physical carrier.
2. Information is impossible without the influence of that which does not exist.
There is significant truth in both statements.
Dear Krassimir and Mark,
Let us not forget the intermediate question:
How is information independent of the choice of carrier?
This is the fruitful question in my opinion, and it avoids the problem of
assigning existence to that which is relational.
The same problem exists for numbers and other
Mark Burgin has proposed an interesting topic. Here is how I think of it.
We need to know the characteristics of an instrument if we are to correctly
interpret its output.
In this case our perceptual system is the instrument and information is the
output. The science of perception indicates
The question „Is information physical?” relates to the equivalence between
two mental/emotional contents of the brain, and can be compared to “Is A =
B ?” at first sight. In the form the question is posed, it is rendered in a
more empathic fashion in the form “Does A contain a sufficiently large
Following the ideas of Mark, Lou, Krassimir and Arturo, I think it is
worth to insist on a proposal I made in this forum a few months ago. That
is, the thesis of a general theory of communication media.
(Before going on I would like to remark that the concepts used here do not
Thanks everyone, all very stimulating!
On 25/04/18 03:47, Burgin, Mark wrote:
Any reasonable person will tell that the textbook contains knowledge
This is a metaphor. It is helpful in managing the complex relationships
of humans with media, but will lead us into tangles if we believe that
Information is information.
There is no reason to bundle it under any other genus.
There are physical information! (Cf., my paper at the Vienna conference,
... And there are other (non-physical) information.
Information follows, in certain aspects, some laws of
Dear Mark and Colleagues,
Very nice “simple question”: “Is information physical?”
I agree that “letters, electromagnetic waves and actually all physical objects
are only carriers of information”.
The brain is carrier of information, too.
Now, I think, what we need to clear is another
information is a measurable physical quantity.
Indeed, it has been claimed that the physical world is made up of information
itself (Bekenstein 2003), so that our Universe is assessable in pure terms of
information. The idea that information is the fundamental physical
Dear Lou and Mark,
Thanks for this - it is very important.
A quick question: why does it have to one or the other? Does the law of the
excluded middle apply to information? Why can't it be both?
As a way of extending this, can I suggest that the boundary between the
physical and the
Thank you for expressing your opinion of "Information Is Not Physical" in
concise language. It represents the general view from information science
As far as I know, the view of "Information Is Physical?" only appeared in
(natural) science especially in physics. It was
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