Re: [Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph

2015-07-27 Thread John Collier
From: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Loet Leydesdorff Sent: July 26, 2015 8:50 AM To: 'Joseph Brenner'; 'Fernando Flores'; fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph Dear Joe, a) information is more than order; there is information

Re: [Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph

2015-07-27 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear John and colleagues, So fundamentally we are talking about the same basic thing with information and entropy. The problem is fundamentally: the two are the same except for a constant. Most authors attribute the dimensionality to this constant (kB). From the perspective of

Re: [Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph

2015-07-27 Thread John Collier
Of Loet Leydesdorff Sent: July 27, 2015 7:10 PM To: John Collier; 'Joseph Brenner'; 'Fernando Flores'; fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: RE: [Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph Dear John and colleagues, So fundamentally we are talking about the same basic thing with information and entropy

Re: [Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph

2015-07-27 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Folks I know there is a long legacy of equating information with entropy, and dimensionally, they are the same. Qualitatively, however, they are antithetical. From the point of view of statistical mechanics, information is a *decrease* in entropy, i.e., they are negatives of each other. This all

Re: [Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph

2015-07-26 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Joe, a) information is more than order; there is information in absence (Deacon), in disorder, in incoherence as well as coherence; The absent options provide the redundancy; that is, the complement of the information to the maximal information [H(max)]. See also my recent

Re: [Fis] Answer to the comments made by Joseph

2015-07-25 Thread Joseph Brenner
Dear Fernando, This is becoming very interesting. I understand your critique, but I do not believe it applies exactly to what I am trying to say. I start from a position that the apodictic statement by Wiener is not or in any case is no longer valid. In my view, the following should be taken