Re: [Fis] replies to several. The Key to Time

2011-05-26 Thread Koichiro Matsuno
Dear Loet, Joseph and All, Let me just clarify the difference making a difference between both of you and me. First, to Loet; > In other words: time is a construct of language? The answer will be yes if the physicist accepts time when preparing an authentic user’s manual on

Re: [Fis] replies to several. The Key to Time

2011-05-24 Thread Ted Goranson
(I am still in China with disrupted internet. This may have to come to the list indirectly. In this reply, I take advantage of the amazing corpus of FIS emails over 14 years. This is an important resource and from time to time I use it in my work. Thank you, Pedro for sustaining this.) Koichiro

Re: [Fis] replies to several. The Key to Time

2011-05-23 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Koichiro and colleagues, Let me try to raise some questions. I find the language sometimes difficult. Examples might help! Ø The underlying issue is how can we construct the flow of time from the tenses. In other words: time is a construct of language? When the constant u

Re: [Fis] replies to several. The Key to Time

2011-05-23 Thread Koichiro Matsuno
Dear Joseph, > I feel that in point 3. of your note you describe a key to time but you do > not use it! Right. The last time, I skipped over something. The issue is how to descriptively approach phenomenological time via the interplay between real, physical systems without prior referen

Re: [Fis] replies to several

2011-05-11 Thread Christophe Menant
, ..). Systemic approach allows to apply this to any kind of system submitted to a constraint. Best Christophe (let me share this with the List) From: l...@leydesdorff.net To: christophe.men...@hotmail.fr Subject: RE: [Fis] replies to several Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 07:43:07 +0200 1) A “meaning

Re: [Fis] replies to several

2011-05-09 Thread Koichiro Matsuno
Folks, Joseph wrote: Two aspects of the exchange between Koichiro and Loet merit attention: 1) Loet said that his point of replacing “why” with “what” did not seem necessary to him. In my mind, however, when Koichiro refers to “what is communicated by what”, he is insisting on not los

Re: [Fis] replies to several

2011-05-09 Thread Christophe Menant
highlight the specificities of organisms and humans in terms of systems and constraints where our understanding is sometimes limited (“ “). Best Christophe From: l...@leydesdorff.net To: joe.bren...@bluewin.ch; fis@listas.unizar.es Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 21:16:01 +0200 Subject: Re: [Fis] replies to

Re: [Fis] replies to several

2011-05-08 Thread Jacob I Lee
e of interest to some. === Jacob Lee ttp://www.jacoblee.net/ - Original Message - From: "Loet Leydesdorff" To: "joe brenner" , fis@listas.unizar.es Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2011 12:16:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fis] replies to several D

Re: [Fis] replies to several

2011-05-08 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Joe: 1. If I follow Loet, I must accept that Information Theory is essentially a mathematical theory that requires abstractions for extension to complex contexts. But Bob says that the mathematically derived “meaning” for antibodies is a pale representation of meaning in the human cont

Re: [Fis] replies to several

2011-05-08 Thread joe.bren...@bluewin.ch
Dear FIS Friends, The complexity of our recent exchanges is a good thing - a kind of self-referential model of the complexity of information itself. These are some of the points that stood out for me: 1. If I follow Loet, I must accept that Information Theory is essentially a mathematic