Dear Gavin, As you find some interest for a "Theory of Meaningful Information", it may be pertinent to recall a systemic approach to meaning generation: When a system submitted to a constraint (stay alive, avoid obstacle, ...) receives from its environment an information that has a connection with the constraint , it generates a meaning (a meaningful information) that willl be used to implement an action aimed at satisfying the constraint. The approach makes available a simple Meaning Generator System applicable to all cases where you can define the system and the constraint. Is not Shannon information theory. It links with Dretske and philosophy of mind. It has been used in several evolutionary approaches. 2003 Entropy paper on subject: http://www.mdpi.org/entropy/papers/e5020193.pdf 2010 short paper: http://crmenant.free.fr/ResUK/MGS.pdf Part of IACAP 2011 presentation: http://cogprints.org/7584/ Best Christophe Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:22:08 +0200 From: pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es To: fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: [Fis] [Fwd: Re: FW: Meaning Information Theory] ---From Gavin Message from Gavin Ritz -------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Gavin Ritz <garr...@xtra.co.nz> wrote: Stan, John list members I have had a number of off list email dialogue with list members, from this list and others. There seems to be a group of listers that have a Theory of Meaningful Information (It’s not Shannon’s mathematical Information theory), it’s all about meaning and electrical communication (I guess in this case neurological). The common links seem to be Dawkins, Dennett, Searle and a few others. Does anyone have any clear propositions, with their logical arguments, evidence. tests, corroboration, modeling, conceptual mathematics, proofs, for this Meaning Theory of Information. It also seems to include memes. I am unable to find any clear propositions with their proofs, it all seems like smoke and mirrors too me. At one point it becomes sort of Shannon’s mathematical theory then it spoofs into something like Philosophy meaning arguments (Like Ogden Richards), then it spoofs into living matter and DNA, then reappears as cultural units, then energy/matter representations. Is The Meaning Information Theory a shape shifter. Is it the one size fits all, theory. What exactly is this Theory, where did it come from, what is it, what is its proposition, and if there is one how can it be tested, corroborated, where and how can we gather the evidence. Regards Gavin ------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ fis mailing list fis@listas.unizar.es https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
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