Re: [Flashcoders] MVC style Correction
My takes: I generally have a dataTypes folder at the same level as the MVC folder for 'transfer objects' I'd probably have an events folder at the same level in your case, but I can't see much of an argument for custom events in a properly architected MVC application. Since every write to the model throws a CHANGE event, the Entire app is evented in nature. What is an example of a custom event you'd like to support in your MVC app? I want to test my theory. As for Files, that screams controller to me. In an app that does file system manipulation via the OS, I'd likely have a fileSystemController class in my controller tree. The built-in browse for files UI is not likely something I'd concern my view tree with, I'd probably just treat it the same way I treat a web service: the controller talks to it and passes any result my app needs to access into the model. If I was making my own views to the file system, thats when I would involve the view tree. Ross P. Sclafani Owner / Creative Director Neuromantic Industries http://www.neuromantic.com 347.204.5714 http://ross.sclafani.net http://www.twitter.com/rosssclafani On Feb 27, 2012, at 4:19 PM, "Mattheis, Erik (MIN-WSW)" wrote: > I've been putting all my class files in one of three folders, model, view, > controller. I'm mostly concerned with making the code as easy to understand > as possible. > entire > Where would you expect transfer object class - a class that just defines a > set of values to pass as a group? > > Where would you expect a custom event class? > > Where would you put a class that reads from and writes to the file system? > Air.File has methods that produce UI elements. What are benefits/drawbacks to > writing the extra code to get File.browseForOpen() somewhere in the View? > > What about a class that holds string values to display ion dialog boxes, on > buttons, etc? Is that part of the view or should it be defined in the model? > > > > _ _ _ > Erik Mattheis | Weber Shandwick > P: (952) 346.6610 > M: (612) 377.2272 > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] MVC style Correction
I don't think that it makes sense to categorise every class in terms of the MVC trinity. Classes that implement the MVC pattern, sure, but not everything else. There's no need to put a sound processing class within the view class hierachy, even if the view uses it to play audio from the model. It would make it harder to see the actual classes involved in implementing views. A given class could be used inside a view and also in a controller. On 27/02/2012 21:19, Mattheis, Erik (MIN-WSW) wrote: I've been putting all my class files in one of three folders, model, view, controller. I'm mostly concerned with making the code as easy to understand as possible. Where would you expect transfer object class - a class that just defines a set of values to pass as a group? Where would you expect a custom event class? Where would you put a class that reads from and writes to the file system? Air.File has methods that produce UI elements. What are benefits/drawbacks to writing the extra code to get File.browseForOpen() somewhere in the View? What about a class that holds string values to display ion dialog boxes, on buttons, etc? Is that part of the view or should it be defined in the model? _ _ _ Erik Mattheis | Weber Shandwick P: (952) 346.6610 M: (612) 377.2272 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] MVC style Correction
I've been putting all my class files in one of three folders, model, view, controller. I'm mostly concerned with making the code as easy to understand as possible. Where would you expect transfer object class - a class that just defines a set of values to pass as a group? Where would you expect a custom event class? Where would you put a class that reads from and writes to the file system? Air.File has methods that produce UI elements. What are benefits/drawbacks to writing the extra code to get File.browseForOpen() somewhere in the View? What about a class that holds string values to display ion dialog boxes, on buttons, etc? Is that part of the view or should it be defined in the model? _ _ _ Erik Mattheis | Weber Shandwick P: (952) 346.6610 M: (612) 377.2272 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] MVC style Correction
Well, not every object has to be a Model, a View, or a Controller. You can have your controller and view work with an instance of an adapter. You wouldn't want an adapter hanging out in the ether - but but your MVC objects could certainly have a "uses a" relationship to an adapter object. For example, you could have the controller create an adapter, wire it to the model, and set it to the dataSource of a view. This is clean because the view only needs to know how to get data from the adapter, it doesn't need to know anything about how the data lives in the model. Kevin N. On 2/26/12 8:45 PM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: So is the basic construct to choose between a controller or multiple adaptors? It seems (to me) that a combination of the two is overkill. If you cant fit everything your trying to do within a MVC or MVA style pattern, your coding it wrong. Not setting flame, just inquiring. :) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] MVC style Correction
In my world, an adapter is code I write to shoehorn code I didn't write into my framework. Code sealed in a third party SWF loaded by one of my views is a common candidate for an adapter. >From a completely green field, I can't imagine needing to adapt any code I >write to other code I've written. The name adapter implies two things that do not natively fit together. Ross P. Sclafani Owner / Creative Director Neuromantic Industries http://www.neuromantic.com http://ross.sclafani.net http://www.twitter.com/rosssclafani 347.204.5714 On Feb 27, 2012, at 8:35 AM, John McCormack wrote: > It was a good example of MVC Ross, I think Henrik was saying it should have > been designed using MVC. > > I did see a nice example on a Microsoft poster using a clock with: analog and > digital views; data in the model and the controller enabling the views etc. > > I am wondering what an adapter might get up to. > > John > > On 27/02/2012 13:17, Ross Sclafani wrote: >> I'm not implying that the code even adheres to my personal MVC file >> structure, but its functional operation is a good example to illustrate my >> MVC paradigm. >> >> >> >> Ross P. Sclafani >> Owner / Creative Director >> Neuromantic Industries >> http://www.neuromantic.com >> http://ross.sclafani.net >> http://www.twitter.com/rosssclafani >> 347.204.5714 >> >> On Feb 27, 2012, at 6:39 AM, Henrik Andersson wrote: >> >>> Ross Sclafani skriver: An MVC Example FLVPlayback is an interesting MVC component: it holds a NetStream as a model of the video it holds a Video as a view of the Video It acts as controller to set the model in motion by connecting it to a stream the ui is also a view of the video: the percent elapsed is represented n the scrub bar, ther is a play button while paused, a pause button while playing, then there are the time readouts.. >>> Sadly, that is not true. >>> >>> First sentence of the manual page for the FLVPlayback class: FLVPlayback extends the Sprite class and wraps a VideoPlayer object. >>> I don't have enough time to figure out how much this matters, but I >>> assume that if you care you are better of reading the source code anyway. >>> ___ >>> Flashcoders mailing list >>> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >> ___ >> Flashcoders mailing list >> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >> >> >> >> > > > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] MVC style Correction
It was a good example of MVC Ross, I think Henrik was saying it should have been designed using MVC. I did see a nice example on a Microsoft poster using a clock with: analog and digital views; data in the model and the controller enabling the views etc. I am wondering what an adapter might get up to. John On 27/02/2012 13:17, Ross Sclafani wrote: I'm not implying that the code even adheres to my personal MVC file structure, but its functional operation is a good example to illustrate my MVC paradigm. Ross P. Sclafani Owner / Creative Director Neuromantic Industries http://www.neuromantic.com http://ross.sclafani.net http://www.twitter.com/rosssclafani 347.204.5714 On Feb 27, 2012, at 6:39 AM, Henrik Andersson wrote: Ross Sclafani skriver: An MVC Example FLVPlayback is an interesting MVC component: it holds a NetStream as a model of the video it holds a Video as a view of the Video It acts as controller to set the model in motion by connecting it to a stream the ui is also a view of the video: the percent elapsed is represented n the scrub bar, ther is a play button while paused, a pause button while playing, then there are the time readouts.. Sadly, that is not true. First sentence of the manual page for the FLVPlayback class: FLVPlayback extends the Sprite class and wraps a VideoPlayer object. I don't have enough time to figure out how much this matters, but I assume that if you care you are better of reading the source code anyway. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] MVC style Correction
I'm not implying that the code even adheres to my personal MVC file structure, but its functional operation is a good example to illustrate my MVC paradigm. Ross P. Sclafani Owner / Creative Director Neuromantic Industries http://www.neuromantic.com http://ross.sclafani.net http://www.twitter.com/rosssclafani 347.204.5714 On Feb 27, 2012, at 6:39 AM, Henrik Andersson wrote: > Ross Sclafani skriver: >> An MVC Example >> >> FLVPlayback is an interesting MVC component: >> >> it holds a NetStream as a model of the video >> >> it holds a Video as a view of the Video >> >> It acts as controller to set the model in motion by connecting it to a stream >> >> the ui is also a view of the video: the percent elapsed is represented n the >> scrub bar, ther is a play button while paused, a pause button while playing, >> then there are the time readouts.. >> > > Sadly, that is not true. > > First sentence of the manual page for the FLVPlayback class: >> FLVPlayback extends the Sprite class and wraps a VideoPlayer object. > > I don't have enough time to figure out how much this matters, but I > assume that if you care you are better of reading the source code anyway. > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] Air3.2
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Re: [Flashcoders] MVC style Correction
Ross Sclafani skriver: > An MVC Example > > FLVPlayback is an interesting MVC component: > > it holds a NetStream as a model of the video > > it holds a Video as a view of the Video > > It acts as controller to set the model in motion by connecting it to a stream > > the ui is also a view of the video: the percent elapsed is represented n the > scrub bar, ther is a play button while paused, a pause button while playing, > then there are the time readouts.. > Sadly, that is not true. First sentence of the manual page for the FLVPlayback class: > FLVPlayback extends the Sprite class and wraps a VideoPlayer object. I don't have enough time to figure out how much this matters, but I assume that if you care you are better of reading the source code anyway. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] MVC style Correction
That actually makes a lot of sense to me and I haven't written one MVC yet. Thanks for the break-down! In relation to what Henrik said about using adaptors, I see the sub controllers as the adaptors, but they are not actually adaptors, just sub controllers with targets to the main controller. Yes? Best, Karl On Feb 27, 2012, at 1:16 AM, Ross Sclafani wrote: thanks, its just how i do MVC it really get interesting when you follow a mitosis development pattern... You start with one model, controller, and view, add features to each in parallel, and as each class gets too big, you break them out into subcontrollers, submodels, and subviews. Then sub-sub. My projects have a triple-tree structure branching out from the core model, controller, and view classes finer granularity as you reach further in, and always broken into M, V, and C: Models contain properties only. they dispatch a CHANGE Event every time one of their properties change,. Views display properties of the model. they listen for the CHANGE Event, and update their appearance with the new values stored in the model every time it changes. Controllers manipulate properties of the model. Whether trigger by event handlers in the views, or internal timers or network activity, any command that sets any value of any property of the model is placed in a controller. Controllers might use other controllers to trigger changes in submodels outside its subdomain the project starts off very compact, then grows with its functionality as required, always growing out from the center so you never paint yourself into a corner then later to optimize, you can get specific about which submodel a particular view is listening to, in turn limiting the number of change events it receives to those actually represented in the view. all subcontrollers hold a reference to the root controller, so it is easy to target any node on the controller tree from anywhere inside of it. same with the model tree. some submodel properties can emit the CHANGE Event only on a local level, and not send the event up the hierarchy, isolating the scope of view updates An MVC Example FLVPlayback is an interesting MVC component: it holds a NetStream as a model of the video it holds a Video as a view of the Video It acts as controller to set the model in motion by connecting it to a stream the ui is also a view of the video: the percent elapsed is represented n the scrub bar, ther is a play button while paused, a pause button while playing, then there are the time readouts.. if the video its playing, the user clicks pause in the view, it tells the controller to pause the stream in the model, which notifies the views, so the Video is paused, and pause button becomes a play button. thats how i do MVC. data is stored in mvc.models, data is displayed in mvc.views, and data is manipulated in mvc.controllers. Ross P. Sclafani design / technology / creative http://ross.sclafani.net http://www.twitter.com/rosssclafani http://www.linkedin.com/in/rosssclafani [347] 204.5714 On Feb 26, 2012, at 11:09 PM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote: BTW Ross, I thought your example was great. Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Importing A Button or Other Component Dynamically With Pure AS 3
I think you can compile an SWC and link against that. http://jessewarden.com/2009/05/creating-modules-in-flash-cs4.html On 26/02/2012 20:23, it...@aol.com wrote: Hello Actionscript Experts, Scenario: I have a shared library *.swf file with most of my assets. It is loaded after the main introductory *.swf file is already loaded. I then call from the Shared Library file the needed assets. Appears that this scenario of importing assets works great with all my custom ones (Sprite, MovieClip, Bitmap, etc). However, when trying to do the same with any of the components like Button, Datgrid..etc, I get an error. Right now it appears, the component must be stored in the library of the main introductory file, and be linked, which thereby makes this introductory file large. Any idea and/or solution/comments will be appreciated. Thanks, Dan ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
