[Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
/i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] AS2 DataGrid -- disable rollover states
I'm using a DataGrid to display user answers, and they are color-coded
red and green to indicate right and wrong.
I want to completely disable the rollover and selection transitions.
These should be static, non-selectable items.
To change the color of each item I'm using
dataGrid.setPropertiesAt(i, {backgroundColor: red/green/white});
To prevent the rollover and selection transitions from appearing, I've
tried setting the selectionColor and rollOverColor to the same values,
but I'm still seeing a brief change to the default rollOverColor as I
rollOver each row:
dataGrid.setPropertiesAt(i, {selectionColor:red/green/white,
rollOverColor:red/green/white});
I've tried setting useRollOver to false, but that seems to have no
effect at all.
Thanks!
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Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
Lee Brimelow has a fantastic post about this: http://theflashblog.com/?p=1703 On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:03, artur ar...@artur.com wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
We could be more active. Rather than show the blue logo, we could substitute a message that reads Steve Jobs won't let you see this. Please go to the iTunes store and pay him for something to watch. Right now we are simply wasting our message opportunity. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Christian Pugliese pugli...@gmail.com wrote: Lee Brimelow has a fantastic post about this: http://theflashblog.com/?p=1703 On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:03, artur ar...@artur.com wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL
Hi; It dawned on me that in my study thus far of this very sophisticated AS3 language, there is no support for MySQL (or presumably for any database engine). A quick preliminary search confirms that. Why? Will there be? beno ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
I think Wired doesn't like Flash because it's not the next big thing. Their mission is ultimately to promote technical innovations (and to lesser extend openness), and Flash is perceived as entrenched. If the iPad is broadly adopted, content providers like the NYT will move away from Flash content. Another possibility is that Adobe will respond to criticism by fixing the cited problems with Flash. Working for a small, concept-driven software company with limited resources, I've long appreciated platforms that let me code narrowly and deliver broadly. In the early days this platform was Director and today it's Flash. I'd love to be able to explore what the next decade will bring, but I'm too busy working artur wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
lol, fantastic idea angela! alternative Jobs content ahah. great comment on theFlashBlog piece about the impossibility of doing nearly any site on FWA in HTML5. even gmail uses flash for some refinements to the interface... On 29 January 2010 14:29, Angela Ferraiolo aferrai...@gmail.com wrote: We could be more active. Rather than show the blue logo, we could substitute a message that reads Steve Jobs won't let you see this. Please go to the iTunes store and pay him for something to watch. Right now we are simply wasting our message opportunity. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Christian Pugliese pugli...@gmail.com wrote: Lee Brimelow has a fantastic post about this: http://theflashblog.com/?p=1703 On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:03, artur ar...@artur.com wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
If the browser an open source one you can change the logo :) Angela Ferraiolo wrote: We could be more active. Rather than show the blue logo, we could substitute a message that reads Steve Jobs won't let you see this. Please go to the iTunes store and pay him for something to watch. Right now we are simply wasting our message opportunity. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Christian Pugliese pugli...@gmail.com wrote: Lee Brimelow has a fantastic post about this: http://theflashblog.com/?p=1703 On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:03, artur ar...@artur.com wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL
beno, just 2 minutes and google will bring you thousands of results of mysqlphpflash communication. not to mention asp, or sockets, or java, or neko, or flash remoting... On 29 January 2010 14:37, beno - flashmeb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi; It dawned on me that in my study thus far of this very sophisticated AS3 language, there is no support for MySQL (or presumably for any database engine). A quick preliminary search confirms that. Why? Will there be? beno ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL
I doubt this would really catch on because FlashPlayer is client side and MySQL is server side - you would normally talk to your webserver with Flash and get server side code to do the MySQL work. Saying that, you could write your own AS3 MySQL engine and connect directly to port 3306, or alternatively use someone else's AS3-MySQL engine but they are usually not complete or mature like libs for PHP, Python, etc. etc. http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8sourceid=navclientgfns=1q=as3+mysql beno - wrote: Hi; It dawned on me that in my study thus far of this very sophisticated AS3 language, there is no support for MySQL (or presumably for any database engine). A quick preliminary search confirms that. Why? Will there be? beno ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
I think the real fact is money. If apple allows flash on iPad/iPhone, can you imagine how many AppStore games/apps would be unnecessary because you'd have it online in flash. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:40, Glen Pike g...@engineeredarts.co.uk wrote: If the browser an open source one you can change the logo :) Angela Ferraiolo wrote: We could be more active. Rather than show the blue logo, we could substitute a message that reads Steve Jobs won't let you see this. Please go to the iTunes store and pay him for something to watch. Right now we are simply wasting our message opportunity. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Christian Pugliese pugli...@gmail.com wrote: Lee Brimelow has a fantastic post about this: http://theflashblog.com/?p=1703 On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:03, artur ar...@artur.com wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
i have an agency client who i get a lot of flash work from. however they are not technically saavy and they're EASILY swayed when they read filth like this! they simply freak out and want to stop making flash websites all-together. WTF?! so i need to make a STRONG case here. -a ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
So, what about iPhone and CS5 ? Isn't going to be the same path with iPad and just matter of time ? g Friday, January 29, 2010 (2:53:24 PM) artur wrote: i have an agency client who i get a lot of flash work from. however they are not technically saavy and they're EASILY swayed when they read filth like this! they simply freak out and want to stop making flash websites all-together. WTF?! so i need to make a STRONG case here. -a ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
If flash worked, the ipad would circunvent the apple app store... And that won't happen. Ever. ;) On 29-01-2010 13:03, artur wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL
Beno, you are going to have to use PHP. AS3-PHP-MySQL There is a lot of stuff out on the net about this. --Original Message-- From: kennethkawam...@gmail.com Sender: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com To: Flash Coders List ReplyTo: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL Sent: Jan 29, 2010 8:29 AM AS3 language,there is no support for MySQL (or presumably for any database engine) I am just looking at AS3 documentation right now; there are 19 classes begin with the word SQL. I wonder if they are something to do with database... (OK, they are AIR only but they are still AS3 :) -- Kenneth Kawamoto http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ On 29 January 2010 13:37, beno - flashmeb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi; It dawned on me that in my study thus far of this very sophisticated AS3 language, there is no support for MySQL (or presumably for any database engine). A quick preliminary search confirms that. Why? Will there be? beno ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Nathan Mynarcik Interactive Web Developer nat...@mynarcik.com 254.749.2525 www.mynarcik.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
Im just waiting for someone to build an app that runs flash and lets get this over with. Is there no way to create a mini os that would just run the flash player in an native iphone app? The app would be the mini os? Hell they have a mini mac os emulator out there already... Any thoughts? Karl On Jan 29, 2010, at 8:27 AM, kinda...@gmail.com wrote: If flash worked, the ipad would circunvent the apple app store... And that won't happen. Ever. ;) On 29-01-2010 13:03, artur wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the- ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H. 264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Karl DeSaulniers Design Drumm http://designdrumm.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
So the iPad's priority is to be an apple store kiosk? Doesn't sound very promising. John kinda...@gmail.com wrote: If flash worked, the ipad would circunvent the apple app store... And that won't happen. Ever. ;) On 29-01-2010 13:03, artur wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
The current market penetration of iPad users is 0.0%. If potential users of this device make up a significant part of your client's target demographic, it might be worthwhile to pick up a bit of Objective-C/iPhone SDK experience. Unlike the time leading up to the release of the first iPhone, there is a wealth of resources to draw on to accelerate your learning curve - books, sites, video, etc. I would bet you could get a basic app up and running fairly quickly. As developers, we cannot expect Flash to last forever. Ask anyone that remembers the salad days of our friend, Macromedia Director, now firmly in the Authorwared category on Adobe's website. - Allan Allan Evansal...@lingo-slingers.org Multimedia Production and Programming Rochester NY and Chicago, for now. No matter where you go, there you are. - BB On Jan 29, 2010, at 7:53 AM, artur wrote: i have an agency client who i get a lot of flash work from. however they are not technically saavy and they're EASILY swayed when they read filth like this! they simply freak out and want to stop making flash websites all-together. WTF?! so i need to make a STRONG case here. -a ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL
Flash has to run client side because once it's served from a server, the server can't run the code on it's own processor anymore, unless you want something like X-Windows. It's not prejudice, it's due to the the way computers started to work round-about the 80's when people could afford home computers and did not have to use giant mainframes with remote terminals (screen + keyboard). Does Flash *have* to be client side or is this just a built-in prejudice from a history of having been such? That is, what's the harm of redefining Flash's purpose? The disadvantage of having your SQL engine in Flash is that someone can decompile your Flash code and pretty much know all your stuff about your databases by reading the SQL. Plus, if you have your database username and password in the Flash application, you are fairly f***ed and most system administrators would be laughing you off the park. Yeah, I'm not ready to do that just now. I was just thinking about my shopping cart and how cool it would be to rewrite at least the pages that the end user sees in AS3. But that would require a MySQL engine. Well, how hard would it be? Tell me... beno MySQL engine - how hard? How long is a piece of string? I mean you just have to talk to the server on port 3306 and handle all communications with it, personally, I would leave that to the teams of people who right these things for other languages rather than re-invent the wheel all the time. Unless someone is paying you to do it, or you are a bored, masochistic, trustafarian. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
I'm waiting for Apple to be sued by the Lego company for the use of the little blue missing component icon. Seriously though, the argument tires on me when people cite video capabilities in HTML 5 will mean the demise of Flash, but those people never mention the fact that flash is so much more than just a great video experience. Sometimes it seems like people think video is the only thing Flash is used for. On a separate note, I'm really not hopeful we'll ever see Flash (or Silverlight) on the iPhone/iTouch or iPad and that's unfortunate. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL
Does Flash *have* to be client side or is this just a built-in prejudice from a history of having been such? That is, what's the harm of redefining Flash's purpose? LOL, oh beno, I love your posts, you crack me up! Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL
I think beno needs a theme song to intro and outro his posts. .m On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: LOL, oh beno, I love your posts, you crack me up! ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
There's Flash Player written in Javascript (Gordon) - it's not deployable yet but there's a hope ;) -- Kenneth Kawamoto http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ On 29 January 2010 14:53, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: I'm waiting for Apple to be sued by the Lego company for the use of the little blue missing component icon. Seriously though, the argument tires on me when people cite video capabilities in HTML 5 will mean the demise of Flash, but those people never mention the fact that flash is so much more than just a great video experience. Sometimes it seems like people think video is the only thing Flash is used for. On a separate note, I'm really not hopeful we'll ever see Flash (or Silverlight) on the iPhone/iTouch or iPad and that's unfortunate. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Glen Pike g...@engineeredarts.co.ukwrote: The disadvantage of having your SQL engine in Flash is that someone can decompile your Flash code and pretty much know all your stuff about your databases by reading the SQL. Plus, if you have your database username and password in the Flash application, you are fairly f***ed and most system administrators would be laughing you off the park. Gotcha. So that's the practical necessity of having python (or...ugh...php) between Flash and the server. Thanks, beno ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Matt S. mattsp...@gmail.com wrote: I think beno needs a theme song to intro and outro his posts. I'm actually a singer/songwriter. Don't go there, Matt LOL! beno ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL
I doubt this would really catch on because FlashPlayer is client side and MySQL is server side - you would normally talk to your webserver with Flash and get server side code to do the MySQL work. I for one would have loved to have a SQLite based server-less database on the client. That would allow you to do cool stuff like download all your configuration and client data as a compressed binary SQLite database and use proper SQL to query it. I believe AIR applications already have this luxury, but I'd like it for browser based flash as well. Would be very useful to me indeed. cheers, Sören ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Matt S. mattsp...@gmail.com wrote: I think beno needs a theme song to intro and outro his posts. How about the theme from Gilligan's Island? Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
On a separate note, I'm really not hopeful we'll ever see Flash (or Silverlight) on the iPhone/iTouch or iPad and that's unfortunate. Not commercially, but people love a challenge, so someone will get it running... I am disappointed by the iPad - I heard a couple of years ago that Apple were developing a tablet type PC and I was quite excited by the prospect of having a truly adaptable computer that I could sketch, ruminate, write code spikes, watch videos / dvds and connect up to my stuff when I got home so I could download all the things I had created when I was inspired and not let the interface get in the way. This was going to be the first time that Apple made something to justify their price tags. Well, bx to that, I am waiting for something else that is actually more useful that a digital picture frame for Apple's choice of content. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL
In the style of George Formby (Jr) Matt S. wrote: I think beno needs a theme song to intro and outro his posts. .m On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: LOL, oh beno, I love your posts, you crack me up! ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
2010/1/29 Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com Sometimes it seems like people think video is the only thing Flash is used for. HTML5 also is not only video. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
-Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com on behalf of Julio Protzek Sent: Fri 1/29/2010 9:26 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash 2010/1/29 Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com Sometimes it seems like people think video is the only thing Flash is used for. HTML5 also is not only video. I've wondered if a future iteration of Flash will take that into account and give us an Export as HTML 5 button :-) Brian Mays ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
HTML5 also is not only video. I know that Julio. I never said that. What I said was people talk about HTML 5 vs. Flash in context of video as the main argument for Flash going away. people cite video capabilities in HTML 5 will mean the demise of Flash Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
Yeah, since it's based on the iPhone OS, it won't run apps like Photoshop right? A bigger and slightly more capable iTouch, blah - yeah, not very exciting. I thought they would give it the capabilities of the Mac OS X or at least OSX lite or something. Besides a feminine product, iPad also sounds too much like iPod - one letter different, I thought their marketing and legal departments could come up with something more savvy than that. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
I've wondered if a future iteration of Flash will take that into account and give us an Export as HTML 5 button :-) Brian Mays ___ More likely an Apple publish template with QuiickTime Movie, iPhone App and HTML 5 buttons + a price doubler option. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Using MVC for a site framework
Steven Sacks wrote: Want to do MVC right? Use this: http://www.robotlegs.org/ ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Well that was really interesting. This too on as3-signals: http://pv3d.org/2010/01/21/as3-signals-tutorial/ John ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL
The disadvantage of having your SQL engine in Flash is that someone can decompile your Flash code and pretty much know all your stuff about your databases by reading the SQL. Plus, if you have your database username and password in the Flash application, you are fairly f***ed and most system administrators would be laughing you off the park. Gotcha. So that's the practical necessity of having python (or...ugh...php) between Flash and the server. Even worse than described, you'd have to have your database directly open to internet clients. This is a big no-no for security reasons. And, even if you did have it directly open, many clients would be blocked from making connections to arbitrary ports on remote servers for security reasons of their own. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
apple will be the closed tablet / smartphone that will never have flash. ever. look out for the android / windows clones that will run flash. apple will do to it's hand-held appliance marketshare what it has done to it's computer marketshare - piss off enough devs that they start talking up the other platforms until they overtake apples marketshare based on sheer amount of software / hardware. Apple won't care because they will be left with a core of hardened fanboys who will buy anything that apple puts out i know - i'm an old mac guy (still am to a point) but since i've become a full-time developer i have become more and more jaded with the closed option a On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Glen Pike g...@engineeredarts.co.ukwrote: I've wondered if a future iteration of Flash will take that into account and give us an Export as HTML 5 button :-) Brian Mays ___ More likely an Apple publish template with QuiickTime Movie, iPhone App and HTML 5 buttons + a price doubler option. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
Regarding learning Objective-C iPhone SDK, we already have a path coming via CS5 to get Flash - iPxxx App. The contested space is the browser, not the app. -jonathan On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com) alla...@gmail.com wrote: apple will be the closed tablet / smartphone that will never have flash. ever. look out for the android / windows clones that will run flash. apple will do to it's hand-held appliance marketshare what it has done to it's computer marketshare - piss off enough devs that they start talking up the other platforms until they overtake apples marketshare based on sheer amount of software / hardware. Apple won't care because they will be left with a core of hardened fanboys who will buy anything that apple puts out i know - i'm an old mac guy (still am to a point) but since i've become a full-time developer i have become more and more jaded with the closed option a On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Glen Pike g...@engineeredarts.co.uk wrote: I've wondered if a future iteration of Flash will take that into account and give us an Export as HTML 5 button :-) Brian Mays ___ More likely an Apple publish template with QuiickTime Movie, iPhone App and HTML 5 buttons + a price doubler option. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- -jonathan howe ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
i have an agency client who i get a lot of flash work from. however they are not technically saavy and they're EASILY swayed when they read filth like this! they simply freak out and want to stop making flash websites all-together. WTF?! so i need to make a STRONG case here. Well, I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it filth. There's an underlying statement of fact in it, which is that Apple is unlikely to allow iPhone/iPod/iPad/Max iPad/etc to run Flash (or Silverlight for that matter) because they can't control them through the App Store. There is no technical obstacle to them supporting Flash today - lots of other devices run Flash nicely. So, this is an issue which should concern them whether they're technically savvy or not. That said, I don't think that this should stop most people from using Flash wherever they're currently planning to use it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
The iPad is a buggy rushed to market, compromised piece of hardware. The competition in that space at CES is staggering, likely cheaper, and mostly based on Android. Apple isn't going to win this market, so I'm not worried about it. Kevin N. On 1/29/10 8:03 AM, artur wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
The iPad is a buggy rushed to market, compromised piece of hardware what's this based on? it looks pretty slick to me, for what it is On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Kevin Newman capta...@unfocus.com wrote: The iPad is a buggy rushed to market, compromised piece of hardware. The competition in that space at CES is staggering, likely cheaper, and mostly based on Android. Apple isn't going to win this market, so I'm not worried about it. Kevin N. On 1/29/10 8:03 AM, artur wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
Jason Merrill wrote: Besides a feminine product, iPad also sounds too much like iPod Ah, you saw that Mad TV skit 4-5 years back, too ^_^ For those that missed it, a few years back, while Apple was flogging the iPod really hard, Mad TV had a iPad skit. It was a spoof on a cross between an iPod and a feminine hygiene product, complete with the dancing silhouette. And, a little OT, if you saw Jobs announcing the iPad, did you think he looked rather haggard? I understand he's been battling pancreatic cancer. It would be a shame to lose one of the great creative entrepreneurs of the 20th/21st centuries. Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
The case is easy: 1. It's more expensive to do the same amount of app development with HTML/Canvas/SVG - because of all the hacks you need (more dev hours). 2. It won't work in every browser the same way - if at all in some browsers. 3. It will probably not be as polished, though it may load faster on initial load (critical concern in some areas). 4. The browser with the biggest market share still does not support most of HTML5, and will not support enough of it any time soon, to make certain things even possible - and is expensive to develop for. 5. HTML apps will not currently scale as well as Flash/Flex RIAs will, when they start to get robust. All this HTML 5 talk is getting obnoxious - how long before the industry remembers why we are all on Flash to begin with? Now, if you are able to target HTML5 exclusively (iPad/iPhone exclusive web app), heck just take the work. ;-) Kevin N. On 1/29/10 8:53 AM, artur wrote: i have an agency client who i get a lot of flash work from. however they are not technically saavy and they're EASILY swayed when they read filth like this! they simply freak out and want to stop making flash websites all-together. WTF?! so i need to make a STRONG case here. -a ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
It doesn't meet the needs for the demands that the Apple users have asked for. Its just an overgrown iPod touch with iBook, iWork, and iPhoto. Yeah it looks cool, but still no flash support and if you want to use 3G, you are stuck with ATT. Nathan Mynarcik Interactive Web Developer nat...@mynarcik.com 254.749.2525 www.mynarcik.com -Original Message- From: allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com) alla...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:53:31 To: Flash Coders Listflashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash The iPad is a buggy rushed to market, compromised piece of hardware what's this based on? it looks pretty slick to me, for what it is On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Kevin Newman capta...@unfocus.com wrote: The iPad is a buggy rushed to market, compromised piece of hardware. The competition in that space at CES is staggering, likely cheaper, and mostly based on Android. Apple isn't going to win this market, so I'm not worried about it. Kevin N. On 1/29/10 8:03 AM, artur wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:48 AM, Glen Pike g...@engineeredarts.co.uk wrote: I doubt this would really catch on because FlashPlayer is client side and MySQL is server side - you would normally talk to your webserver with Flash and get server side code to do the MySQL work. What Glen says makes a lot of sense to me. :) Original poster: Check out PHP or Python frameworks, such as: * CodeIgniter: http://codeigniter.com/ * Django http://docs.djangoproject.com Once you learn the basics, both make it really easy to connect to your db and such. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
I think there's a good market for it as a consumer device. My wife would do well with one. She can watch movies, check her email, do her facebooking. It's a good portable movie player for our son. It's a good ebook reader for me and the wife. And a few other small things as well. I don't think of it as a computer, more a device consolidating things that I would be buying 3 or more devices for. Brian Mays -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com on behalf of Nathan Mynarcik Sent: Fri 1/29/2010 12:17 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash It doesn't meet the needs for the demands that the Apple users have asked for. Its just an overgrown iPod touch with iBook, iWork, and iPhoto. Yeah it looks cool, but still no flash support and if you want to use 3G, you are stuck with ATT. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
Its definitely not as magical as Apple is trying to say it is though... Nathan Mynarcik Interactive Web Developer nat...@mynarcik.com 254.749.2525 www.mynarcik.com -Original Message- From: Brian Mays bm...@newsok.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:39:42 To: nat...@mynarcik.com; Flash Coders Listflashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash I think there's a good market for it as a consumer device. My wife would do well with one. She can watch movies, check her email, do her facebooking. It's a good portable movie player for our son. It's a good ebook reader for me and the wife. And a few other small things as well. I don't think of it as a computer, more a device consolidating things that I would be buying 3 or more devices for. Brian Mays -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com on behalf of Nathan Mynarcik Sent: Fri 1/29/2010 12:17 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash It doesn't meet the needs for the demands that the Apple users have asked for. Its just an overgrown iPod touch with iBook, iWork, and iPhoto. Yeah it looks cool, but still no flash support and if you want to use 3G, you are stuck with ATT. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
I think you have a great argument there Carl. Drunk OR sober. Nathan Mynarcik Interactive Web Developer nat...@mynarcik.com 254.749.2525 www.mynarcik.com -Original Message- From: Carl Welch carlwelchdes...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:38:45 To: Flash Coders Listflashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash I personally have been getting more and more upset about apple's stance on Flash. I feel the reason Apple's market share has increased especially in the corporate environment is because designers and flash developers have been evangelizing macs since day one. I feel like its a slap in the face to the people that cheered them on the most. this thought sounded better when I was drunk last night :P -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kevin Newman capta...@unfocus.com wrote: The case is easy: 1. It's more expensive to do the same amount of app development with HTML/Canvas/SVG - because of all the hacks you need (more dev hours). 2. It won't work in every browser the same way - if at all in some browsers. 3. It will probably not be as polished, though it may load faster on initial load (critical concern in some areas). 4. The browser with the biggest market share still does not support most of HTML5, and will not support enough of it any time soon, to make certain things even possible - and is expensive to develop for. 5. HTML apps will not currently scale as well as Flash/Flex RIAs will, when they start to get robust. All this HTML 5 talk is getting obnoxious - how long before the industry remembers why we are all on Flash to begin with? Now, if you are able to target HTML5 exclusively (iPad/iPhone exclusive web app), heck just take the work. ;-) Kevin N. On 1/29/10 8:53 AM, artur wrote: i have an agency client who i get a lot of flash work from. however they are not technically saavy and they're EASILY swayed when they read filth like this! they simply freak out and want to stop making flash websites all-together. WTF?! so i need to make a STRONG case here. -a ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
I personally have been getting more and more upset about apple's stance on Flash. I feel the reason Apple's market share has increased especially in the corporate environment is because designers and flash developers have been evangelizing macs since day one. I feel like its a slap in the face to the people that cheered them on the most. this thought sounded better when I was drunk last night :P -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kevin Newman capta...@unfocus.com wrote: The case is easy: 1. It's more expensive to do the same amount of app development with HTML/Canvas/SVG - because of all the hacks you need (more dev hours). 2. It won't work in every browser the same way - if at all in some browsers. 3. It will probably not be as polished, though it may load faster on initial load (critical concern in some areas). 4. The browser with the biggest market share still does not support most of HTML5, and will not support enough of it any time soon, to make certain things even possible - and is expensive to develop for. 5. HTML apps will not currently scale as well as Flash/Flex RIAs will, when they start to get robust. All this HTML 5 talk is getting obnoxious - how long before the industry remembers why we are all on Flash to begin with? Now, if you are able to target HTML5 exclusively (iPad/iPhone exclusive web app), heck just take the work. ;-) Kevin N. On 1/29/10 8:53 AM, artur wrote: i have an agency client who i get a lot of flash work from. however they are not technically saavy and they're EASILY swayed when they read filth like this! they simply freak out and want to stop making flash websites all-together. WTF?! so i need to make a STRONG case here. -a ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash and MySQL
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Micky Hulse mickyhulse.li...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:48 AM, Glen Pike g...@engineeredarts.co.uk wrote: I doubt this would really catch on because FlashPlayer is client side and MySQL is server side - you would normally talk to your webserver with Flash and get server side code to do the MySQL work. What Glen says makes a lot of sense to me. :) Original poster: Check out PHP or Python frameworks, such as: * CodeIgniter: http://codeigniter.com/ * Django http://docs.djangoproject.com Once you learn the basics, both make it really easy to connect to your db and such. I've already written my shopping cart in python, so I'll stick with that. I was just thinking it would be cool to write the TTW pages in AS3, but obviously not for the security risk. beno ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
This below I think is true. I don't think this is about innovation. People who want innovation don't sell closed platform devices. This is about money and about shutting down self-taught programmers. Why do we evangelize Apple/Mac? How is money really being made here? Why do the the device and platform builders get it all? After telling content providers to be open source and give away their work, what did the creators of the youtube platform do with the billions they made? Did they open source their profits? People hate flash because a high school student can make an app in flash. It makes content important. This drives them crazy. And as for the open source argument, how can anyone preach open source with an iPhone or iPad in their hand? Is this satire? Or is this yet another plan to put billions in the bank with someone else's content? There are legitimate criticisms of flash, but there are also liars, thieves, and high priests of code who don't want joe programmer in the temple. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Carl Welch carlwelchdes...@gmail.com wrote: I personally have been getting more and more upset about apple's stance on Flash. I feel the reason Apple's market share has increased especially in the corporate environment is because designers and flash developers have been evangelizing macs since day one. I feel like its a slap in the face to the people that cheered them on the most. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
This is about money and about shutting down self-taught programmers. I do think it's all about money, but it's not about shutting anyone down (though in some extreme cases that may be a tactic to make money). In the end, it's all about money. Doesn't really matter what developers or environmentalists or the government or even consumers want, it's all about what tactics and products will bring in the most revenue to a company without getting sued. This is the way it always has been and always will be until we're living in the Trek universe and we've figured out economics and money is not an issue anymore for anyone (but that will never happen). Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
Yes, I agree. But the end effect of keeping flash off a platform is that you have also kept off a lot of creativity, especially the creativity of ordinary people. Now, you can say you didn't mean to do that, but in the end that's for sure what you're doing. You're saying to a certain group of people, your work can't be here. Ironically, they are the kind of people you might feature in your advertising campaigns, and the kind of people who buy -- or don't buy -- your hip, cool products. There used to be a saying if you can't work there, don't shop there. (yep, i'm typing this on a mac!) On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com wrote: This is about money and about shutting down self-taught programmers. I do think it's all about money, but it's not about shutting anyone down (though in some extreme cases that may be a tactic to make money). In the end, it's all about money. Doesn't really matter what developers or environmentalists or the government or even consumers want, it's all about what tactics and products will bring in the most revenue to a company without getting sued. This is the way it always has been and always will be until we're living in the Trek universe and we've figured out economics and money is not an issue anymore for anyone (but that will never happen). Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Learning Performance Soluions Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community and visit our Instructional Technology Design Blog (note: these are for Bank of America employees only) ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] WIRED hates Flash
It's based on my estimate of Apple's usual slick product launches. This one by comparisons is full of mistakes, and half finished looking components, like the ugly unlock screen, and tiny app launch icons - as well as the lack of an original background behind the icons (looks an aweful lot like Android). That combined with a less than accurate SDK, which they would normally have pretty clean and proper. They did pull it together enough for a demo, but it's not up to Apple's standards. Kevin N. On 1/29/10 12:53 PM, allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com) wrote: The iPad is a buggy rushed to market, compromised piece of hardware what's this based on? it looks pretty slick to me, for what it is On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Kevin Newmancapta...@unfocus.com wrote: The iPad is a buggy rushed to market, compromised piece of hardware. The competition in that space at CES is staggering, likely cheaper, and mostly based on Android. Apple isn't going to win this market, so I'm not worried about it. Kevin N. On 1/29/10 8:03 AM, artur wrote: /i was wondering what the communities thoughts were about this:/* * * http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/ * *Flash* Many people will bemoan the lack of Flash in the iPad. It wasn't mentioned, but eagle-eyed viewers would have seen the missing plugin icon on the New York Times site during yesterday's demo, and given that Apple clearly hates Flash as both a non-open web standard and as a buggy, CPU-hungry piece of code, it's unlikely it will ever be added, unless Apple decides it wants to cut the battery life down to two hours. Who needs Flash, anyway? YouTube and Vimeo have both switched to H.264 for video streaming (in Chrome and Safari, at least -- Firefox doesn't support it), and the rest of the world of Flash is painful to use. In fact, we think the lack of Flash in the iPad will be the thing that finally kills Flash itself. If the iPad is as popular as the iPhone and iPod Touch, Flash-capable browsers will eventually be in the minority. go. -artur ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] strange Text Rendering Bug
http://skitch.com/menslow/n18yk/main Mac 10.5 with FireFox 3.6 and Safari 4.0.4 flash vrsn is: 10.0.42.34 any ideas why this is happens? thanks - art ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] strange Text Rendering Bug
Why what happens? That link has nothing flash on it. --Original Message-- From: artur Sender: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com To: Flash Coders List ReplyTo: ar...@artur.com ReplyTo: Flash Coders List Subject: [Flashcoders] strange Text Rendering Bug Sent: Jan 29, 2010 3:20 PM http://skitch.com/menslow/n18yk/main Mac 10.5 with FireFox 3.6 and Safari 4.0.4 flash vrsn is: 10.0.42.34 any ideas why this is happens? thanks - art ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Nathan Mynarcik Interactive Web Developer nat...@mynarcik.com 254.749.2525 www.mynarcik.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] strange Text Rendering Bug
Yup, the page loads I don't know what I'm looking for. I see a lot of broken looking stuff. Try some descriptive text next time. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Nathan Mynarcik nat...@mynarcik.comwrote: Why what happens? That link has nothing flash on it. --Original Message-- From: artur Sender: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com To: Flash Coders List ReplyTo: ar...@artur.com ReplyTo: Flash Coders List Subject: [Flashcoders] strange Text Rendering Bug Sent: Jan 29, 2010 3:20 PM http://skitch.com/menslow/n18yk/main Mac 10.5 with FireFox 3.6 and Safari 4.0.4 flash vrsn is: 10.0.42.34 any ideas why this is happens? thanks - art ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Nathan Mynarcik Interactive Web Developer nat...@mynarcik.com 254.749.2525 www.mynarcik.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- -jonathan howe ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
