Re: [Flashcoders] Font jumping cross platform
Most of the fonts that I use are not free or come from Adobe Font Folio OpenType edition. It doesn't happen with all fonts, but it is definitely a problem with the Macromedia programs (I think this is a problem in Freehand and Fireworks also, though I haven't tested that in a while) since this problem doesn't exist in other programs (like adobe's). So I really think this is a bug in the framework, and that workarounds should only be considered in that light (meaning, Adobe/Macromedia should fix this, so we don't have to employ workarounds). I'm also pretty sure that this happens with PostScript outline fonts (OpenType can contain either TrueType or PostScript outlines), but I'll keep a closer eye on that, and let you know if I find something out that differs from this description. Also, the fonts that I've converted with CrossFont have all always been Mac PostScript fonts. I originally thought this was a problem with CrossFont, but have since learned that this affects other cross platform fonts as well (OpenType). Kevin N. Adrian Penn wrote: Hello. This would make sense I think. However, I'm nearly certain that the font we'd used and experienced problems with, Rotis, is an Adobe font (of one flavor or another) and not a free Truetype font. I'll check in a couple days and report back if I learn anything of interest. Thanks! -Adrian From: Roman Blöth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 4/26/2006 11:50 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Font jumping cross platform Hello there, Adrian Penn schrieb: I've also experienced this problem or something very similar. I was given a handful of .fla files for a project a while back. All of these files were authored on a Mac. When we opened them on a PC - many of the text fields looked substantially different. The vertical positioning was off a bit as described here but worse still, the leading between characters was different. It looked fine when opening the same file in Flash on a Mac. The leading appeared much tighter on the PC than on the Mac. If we fixed the leading on the PC then it was too spaced-out on the Mac. If memory serves, we only saw this problem with one of the fonts used in the project. I think it was Rotis. I do not recall its format. I'm curious to go have a look again based on this thread however. Not being able to resolve the issue on the PC - we were left with having to do the final compile on a Mac. Same same... Here we face this phenomenon every day - unfortunately normally designers work on Mac whileas programmers work on PCs. I assume it has to do with the fonts you use - I believe ATM fonts on a PC (using ATM - though I thought since w2k you wouldn't need ATM any more to use ATM fonts) work much better than TTF. And probably (expensive) high quality fonts also work better than one of those thousands free TTF fonts out there... Regards, Roman. -- --- gosub communications gmbh | fredersdorfer str. 10 | 10243 berlin t [030] 29 36 39 1 - 43 | f [030] 29 66 88 84 | http://www.gosub.de --- ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Font jumping cross platform
On 27-apr-2006, at 18:59, Kevin Newman wrote: Most of the fonts that I use are not free or come from Adobe Font Folio OpenType edition. It doesn't happen with all fonts, but it is definitely a problem with the Macromedia programs (I think this is a problem in Freehand and Fireworks also, though I haven't tested that in a while) since this problem doesn't exist in other programs (like adobe's). So I really think this is a bug in the framework, and that workarounds should only be considered in that light (meaning, Adobe/Macromedia should fix this, so we don't have to employ workarounds). I'm also pretty sure that this happens with PostScript outline fonts (OpenType can contain either TrueType or PostScript outlines), but I'll keep a closer eye on that, and let you know if I find something out that differs from this description. Also, the fonts that I've converted with CrossFont have all always been Mac PostScript fonts. I originally thought this was a problem with CrossFont, but have since learne AFAIK, all font handling in MM apps on the Mac has remained 100% borked (that means: as in MacOS 7) since Flash MX hit the streets. I doubt any MM product properly supports OTF, and I am pretty sure all of them have broken Unicode font support. -- Julian 'Julik' Tarkhanov please send all personal mail to me at julik.nl ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
[Flashcoders] Font jumping cross platform
Hello, I don't know if this is the right place for this kind of question, but I have an problem where if I use a font (either a crossplatform opentype, or a crossfont converted font) in an fla, then move that fla from a Mac to a Windows, all the text elements move down on the screen by a few pixels. The opposite problem exists if I move it from Windows to Mac (it moves up). This is only a problem in the IDE - published files are fine (well once I correct the positioning problem in the IDE anyway). Has anyone seen this problem or found a solution? This problem only exists in Flash it seems, since if I load the same fonts in Photoshop (or just about anything else) I don't have any problems at all. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Font jumping cross platform
i've seen a jsfl that you can run to move all the text fields in a movie up/down .. but other than that i think you are screwed. (or maybe you could use a different font?) On Apr 26, 2006, at 11:11 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: Hello, I don't know if this is the right place for this kind of question, but I have an problem where if I use a font (either a crossplatform opentype, or a crossfont converted font) in an fla, then move that fla from a Mac to a Windows, all the text elements move down on the screen by a few pixels. The opposite problem exists if I move it from Windows to Mac (it moves up). This is only a problem in the IDE - published files are fine (well once I correct the positioning problem in the IDE anyway). Has anyone seen this problem or found a solution? This problem only exists in Flash it seems, since if I load the same fonts in Photoshop (or just about anything else) I don't have any problems at all. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Font jumping cross platform
This seems to happen with any OpenType font (most of them from Fontfolio OpenType), and possibly means with all PostScript outline fonts, since it happens with OpenType and converted fonts (from mac). I really think this is a bug in Flash, since as I've mentioned, I don't have a problem with any other software using these fonts. Oh well, I guess I'm stuck moving the fonts up and down. :-( Thanks, Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: i've seen a jsfl that you can run to move all the text fields in a movie up/down .. but other than that i think you are screwed. (or maybe you could use a different font?) On Apr 26, 2006, at 11:11 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: Hello, I don't know if this is the right place for this kind of question, but I have an problem where if I use a font (either a crossplatform opentype, or a crossfont converted font) in an fla, then move that fla from a Mac to a Windows, all the text elements move down on the screen by a few pixels. The opposite problem exists if I move it from Windows to Mac (it moves up). This is only a problem in the IDE - published files are fine (well once I correct the positioning problem in the IDE anyway). Has anyone seen this problem or found a solution? This problem only exists in Flash it seems, since if I load the same fonts in Photoshop (or just about anything else) I don't have any problems at all. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Font jumping cross platform
I've also experienced this problem or something very similar. I was given a handful of .fla files for a project a while back. All of these files were authored on a Mac. When we opened them on a PC - many of the text fields looked substantially different. The vertical positioning was off a bit as described here but worse still, the leading between characters was different. It looked fine when opening the same file in Flash on a Mac. The leading appeared much tighter on the PC than on the Mac. If we fixed the leading on the PC then it was too spaced-out on the Mac. If memory serves, we only saw this problem with one of the fonts used in the project. I think it was Rotis. I do not recall its format. I'm curious to go have a look again based on this thread however. Not being able to resolve the issue on the PC - we were left with having to do the final compile on a Mac. -Adrian From: Kevin Newman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 4/26/2006 10:39 AM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Font jumping cross platform This seems to happen with any OpenType font (most of them from Fontfolio OpenType), and possibly means with all PostScript outline fonts, since it happens with OpenType and converted fonts (from mac). I really think this is a bug in Flash, since as I've mentioned, I don't have a problem with any other software using these fonts. Oh well, I guess I'm stuck moving the fonts up and down. :-( Thanks, Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: i've seen a jsfl that you can run to move all the text fields in a movie up/down .. but other than that i think you are screwed. (or maybe you could use a different font?) On Apr 26, 2006, at 11:11 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: Hello, I don't know if this is the right place for this kind of question, but I have an problem where if I use a font (either a crossplatform opentype, or a crossfont converted font) in an fla, then move that fla from a Mac to a Windows, all the text elements move down on the screen by a few pixels. The opposite problem exists if I move it from Windows to Mac (it moves up). This is only a problem in the IDE - published files are fine (well once I correct the positioning problem in the IDE anyway). Has anyone seen this problem or found a solution? This problem only exists in Flash it seems, since if I load the same fonts in Photoshop (or just about anything else) I don't have any problems at all. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Font jumping cross platform
Hello there, Adrian Penn schrieb: I've also experienced this problem or something very similar. I was given a handful of .fla files for a project a while back. All of these files were authored on a Mac. When we opened them on a PC - many of the text fields looked substantially different. The vertical positioning was off a bit as described here but worse still, the leading between characters was different. It looked fine when opening the same file in Flash on a Mac. The leading appeared much tighter on the PC than on the Mac. If we fixed the leading on the PC then it was too spaced-out on the Mac. If memory serves, we only saw this problem with one of the fonts used in the project. I think it was Rotis. I do not recall its format. I'm curious to go have a look again based on this thread however. Not being able to resolve the issue on the PC - we were left with having to do the final compile on a Mac. Same same... Here we face this phenomenon every day - unfortunately normally designers work on Mac whileas programmers work on PCs. I assume it has to do with the fonts you use - I believe ATM fonts on a PC (using ATM - though I thought since w2k you wouldn't need ATM any more to use ATM fonts) work much better than TTF. And probably (expensive) high quality fonts also work better than one of those thousands free TTF fonts out there... Regards, Roman. -- --- gosub communications gmbh | fredersdorfer str. 10 | 10243 berlin t [030] 29 36 39 1 - 43 | f [030] 29 66 88 84 | http://www.gosub.de --- ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Font jumping cross platform
i found this link from a cached page in google: http://www.slice-media.com/jsfl/pixelShift.mxp it's supposed to be the jsfl that shifts your textfields so you don't have to do it manually. link: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache: 9lKfRcMTFOwJ:www.eyezberg.com/Breaking_News_from_the_Flash_World/ Components_(mxp_packages)/Shift_all_textfields/+jsfl+font+shift +flashhl=engl=usct=clnkcd=2 On Apr 26, 2006, at 11:39 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: This seems to happen with any OpenType font (most of them from Fontfolio OpenType), and possibly means with all PostScript outline fonts, since it happens with OpenType and converted fonts (from mac). I really think this is a bug in Flash, since as I've mentioned, I don't have a problem with any other software using these fonts. Oh well, I guess I'm stuck moving the fonts up and down. :-( Thanks, Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: i've seen a jsfl that you can run to move all the text fields in a movie up/down .. but other than that i think you are screwed. (or maybe you could use a different font?) On Apr 26, 2006, at 11:11 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: Hello, I don't know if this is the right place for this kind of question, but I have an problem where if I use a font (either a crossplatform opentype, or a crossfont converted font) in an fla, then move that fla from a Mac to a Windows, all the text elements move down on the screen by a few pixels. The opposite problem exists if I move it from Windows to Mac (it moves up). This is only a problem in the IDE - published files are fine (well once I correct the positioning problem in the IDE anyway). Has anyone seen this problem or found a solution? This problem only exists in Flash it seems, since if I load the same fonts in Photoshop (or just about anything else) I don't have any problems at all. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Font jumping cross platform
Sweet! Thanks :-) I'll give this a try. Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: i found this link from a cached page in google: http://www.slice-media.com/jsfl/pixelShift.mxp it's supposed to be the jsfl that shifts your textfields so you don't have to do it manually. link: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:9lKfRcMTFOwJ:www.eyezberg.com/Breaking_News_from_the_Flash_World/Components_(mxp_packages)/Shift_all_textfields/+jsfl+font+shift+flashhl=engl=usct=clnkcd=2 On Apr 26, 2006, at 11:39 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: This seems to happen with any OpenType font (most of them from Fontfolio OpenType), and possibly means with all PostScript outline fonts, since it happens with OpenType and converted fonts (from mac). I really think this is a bug in Flash, since as I've mentioned, I don't have a problem with any other software using these fonts. Oh well, I guess I'm stuck moving the fonts up and down. :-( Thanks, Kevin N. Geoff Stearns wrote: i've seen a jsfl that you can run to move all the text fields in a movie up/down .. but other than that i think you are screwed. (or maybe you could use a different font?) On Apr 26, 2006, at 11:11 AM, Kevin Newman wrote: Hello, I don't know if this is the right place for this kind of question, but I have an problem where if I use a font (either a crossplatform opentype, or a crossfont converted font) in an fla, then move that fla from a Mac to a Windows, all the text elements move down on the screen by a few pixels. The opposite problem exists if I move it from Windows to Mac (it moves up). This is only a problem in the IDE - published files are fine (well once I correct the positioning problem in the IDE anyway). Has anyone seen this problem or found a solution? This problem only exists in Flash it seems, since if I load the same fonts in Photoshop (or just about anything else) I don't have any problems at all. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Kevin N. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Font jumping cross platform
I've had this problem before but only with static text fields. You can (sort of) get round it by setting the fields to dynamic - at least, this solved the problem for us. HTH, James ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
